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FreeStuffsNG:
Smh. Please go and educate yourself on your own history first before dabbling into that of others. The history of the Yoruba is well preserved and predates Nigeria.

Answer the question was Lagos part of the Western Region of Nigeria?

Simple yes, or no, there lies the argument, the core Yoruba region is old Oyo which then accommodated both The Alafin of Oyo, & Oni of Ife in 1 state.

Small pikin wey no know anything, your history indeed. Mr Herbert Ogunde reincarnated.

FreeStuffsNG:
You are obviously not Yoruba and that explains your fraudulent account of the Yoruba people who you don't know their history. Lagos is not even the most diverse of part of Yoruba land. As at 1872, no member of your tribe is even in Lagos!

The population of Lagos Colony was analysed into 'Yoruba' and 'Non-Yoruba' tribes:

1. Eko tribe had fallen from 57% in 1872 to 23.6% 20 years later.
2. Popo or Egun tribe was 15.85%,

3. Other Yoruba groups
Oyo - 11.6%
Ijebu - 11.01%
Awori - 9.26%
Egba - 6.05%
Ijesha - 4.32%
Egbado - 3.63%
Ekiti/Efon people - 1.76%

4. Non-Yoruba groups
Nupe/Tapa - 1.86%
Hausa - 1.86%
The Kru - 1.37%.

Lagos has always been Yorubaland and the presence of others is not any way different from the other parts of Yorubaland because of the accommodating nature of the Yoruba and we don't and have never practiced cannibalism.

As at 1872, there are other parts of Yorubaland that are far more diversed than Lagos.


The Yoruba are the only group of Africans who retained their culture and religion even in foreign lands they were shipped to. Only the Yoruba! The Yoruba have always been highly populated and have a sophisticated system of government. The Yoruba even produced the Bini royalty through Oranmiyan.

Located in the Caribbean island of the Bahamas is Yoruba House, dedicated to freed Yoruba slave descendants. Picture below.

Guy I dey go chop for Yoruba restaurants from Miami, Houston, to LA, Washington DC you name it, & numerous major cities for Yankee, Yoruba culture extends far & wide that was never my argument.

You have not mentioned nothing new to me, go through my back post & see when I said the Oni of Ife is a revered deity in Brazil.

Are you teaching me about the Yoruba culture in Cuba, Venezuela, Haiti & the Americas?

I have read it, & lived it also, u no nothing about your history until u have viewed it from the lens of the white man, go ask the greats Wole Soyinka & Fela Kuti.

Mind u I am not igbo.

Catapault:
Oga ma binu, wọn ko ti fọ ọpọlọ bi iwọ. Wọn jẹ igberaga fun aṣa ati ẹsin ibile wọn, bii iwọ. O yẹ ki o tiju fun ara rẹ. Ọgbẹni funfun eniyan olùjọsìn.

E mi kole tiju Olugbala Jesu Kristi to da gbogbo Ile Yoruba at ibukun Alagbara inu re lai lai

favor914:
Answer the question was Lagos part of the Western Region of Nigeria?

Simple yes, or no, there lies the argument, the core Yoruba region is old Oyo which then accommodated both The Alafin of Oyo, & Oni of Ife in 1 state.

Small pikin wey no know anything, your history indeed. Mr Herbert Ogunde reincarnated.

Who be this one?


99% of Lagos state Land Mass belongs to Awolowo’s Yoruba Ronu Yoruba Parapo western Region
Do you see that tiny dot below Ikeja LG?

That was Lagos island the Federal Capital
It was 32 sq km

The remaining 3,544 sq km of Lagos State belonged to the Yoruba Western Region


The entire Coast of Lagos was inside the Yoruba Ronu Yoruba Parapo Western Region


Lagos Island is an a island inside the Lagos Lagoon that was completely surrounded by the
Western Region

Christistruth02:
Who be this one?


99% of Lagos state Land Mass belongs to Awolowo’s Yoruba Ronu Yoruba Parapo western Region
[b]Do you see that tiny do below Ikeja LG?[/b]

That was Lagos island the Federal Capital
It was 32sq km
The remaining 3544 sq km of Lagos State belonged to the Western Region

Thank You, u just answered the question, if It was the core Yoruba premises, so why was the capital of the western region situated in Ibadan, & not Lagos?

Like i corrected u earlier, the core Yorubaland was The old Oyo state, now Osun & Oyo state respectively, & not Lagos State.

Mind u there was no local government under the regional system, that was introduced in 1976.

favor914:
Thank You, u just answered the question, if It was the core Yoruba premises, so why was the capital of the western region situated in Ibadan, & not Lagos?

Like i corrected u earlier, the core Yorubaland was The old Oyo state, now Osun & Oyo state respectively, & not Lagos State.

Lagos was the Commercial Capital of Yorubaland long before the British Empire arrived in 1851
And Ikeja Lagos still remained the Commercial capital of the Western Region under Awolowo

Do you see Apapa the port?
90% of Apapa district was under Awolowo and it was he who built the Industrial Estates

surrounding the Port for the Western Region!!


Do you think the British Colonial Government that drew this map did not know where
Yorubaland was before they included Lagos inside it ?

Or do you think Herbert Macauley who was an indigene of Lagos didn’t know where Yorubaland was ?

Ebutte Meta in Lagos and Badagry were Oyo Kingdom ports

Christistruth02:
Lagos was the Commercial Capital of Yorubaland long before the British Empire arrived in 1851
And Ikeja Lagos still remained the Commercial capital of the Western Region under Awolowo

Do you see Apapa the port?
90% of Apapa district was under Awolowo and it was he who built the Industrial Estates

surrounding the Port for the Western Region!!


Do you think the British Colonial Government that drew this map did not know where
Yorubaland was before they included Lagos inside it ?

Or do you think Herbert Macauley who was an indigene of Lagos didn’t know where Yorubaland was ?

Ebutte Meta in Lagos and Badagry were Oyo Kingdom ports

Following its early settlement by the Awori nobility, the state first came to the attention of the Portuguese in the 15th century.[15]
Portuguese explorer Rui de Sequeira visited the area.

in 1472, naming the area around the city Lago de Curamo, which means Lake of Curamo.[16]

It's also probable that the city was named after the homonymous coastal town of Lagos, Portugal, in the Algarve region, where sailors and settlers would have departed.

The area fell under the domain of Benin in the 16th century.[4] By 1600, it served as a frontier town, and Benin limited its local presence to soldiers led by four military commanders.

This military presence as well as the exchange with European traders resulted in economic growth, as locals would travel along the coast and from further inland to Lagos Island for trade;[14] at this point, clothes were the main item sold at and exported from the island as well as Benin as a whole.[21]
In the 17th century, the trade with the Portuguese also began to increase, as Onim became a center of the Atlantic slave trade.

The local obas (kings) developed good relations with the Portuguese by the early 19th century, it was a small kingdom and a tributary to the Oyo Empire.[22] Like many West African states, Onim developed strong diplomatic as well as economic links to South America. It sent embassies to the Portuguese colony of Brazil,[23] and became one of the first countries to recognize the independence of Brazil in 1823.[22] Meanwhile, the Oyo Empire had begun to collapse.

This allowed Lagos to assume the leading economic position regionally, becoming the most important market in the Yoruba territories as well as growing substantially.

favor914:
Following its early settlement by the Awori nobility, the state first came to the attention of the Portuguese in the 15th century.[15]
Portuguese explorer Rui de Sequeira visited the area.

in 1472, naming the area around the city Lago de Curamo, which means Lake of Curamo.[16]

It's also probable that the city was named after the homonymous coastal town of Lagos, Portugal, in the Algarve region, where sailors and settlers would have departed.

The area fell under the domain of Benin in the 16th century.[4] By 1600, it served as a frontier town, and Benin limited its local presence to soldiers led by four military commanders.

This military presence as well as the exchange with European traders resulted in economic growth, as locals would travel along the coast and from further inland to Lagos Island for trade;[14] at this point, clothes were the main item sold at and exported from the island as well as Benin as a whole.[21]
In the 17th century, the trade with the Portuguese also began to increase, as Onim became a center of the Atlantic slave trade.

The local obas (kings) developed good relations with the Portuguese by the early 19th century, it was a small kingdom and a tributary to the Oyo Empire.[22] Like many West African states, Onim developed strong diplomatic as well as economic links to South America. It sent embassies to the Portuguese colony of Brazil,[23] and became one of the first countries to recognize the independence of Brazil in 1823.[22] Meanwhile, the Oyo Empire had begun to collapse.

This allowed Lagos to assume the leading economic position regionally, becoming the most important market in the Yoruba territories as well as growing substantially.

We know you are Jealous that Lagos is Yorubaland but did you need to announce your Jealousy and hate with your desperation to rewrite History?


Apart from the Yoruba Awori being the Owners of Lagos including Lagos Island and Isale Eko itself


It has now reached the Stage for people to Start learning the Yoruba moba
Pre Oduduwa History of Lagos
Which is. Incredibly Massive


This is a good opportunity to reteach them including the Epic Yoruba History

Do you know there were moba Yoruba people in Lagos long before Oduduwa was born they had their own Kingdom
And the moba crown predates Oduduwa's own


If we tell them a little of the History of Yoruba Lagos if they have Conscience they will Shut up and beg for Forgiveness

There were Yorubas in Lagos long before Oduduwa was born
The first Oba of Ilesha (Owa Okokun ) fetched water from the sea at moba to Cure Oduduwa’s Blindness in the 10 th Century

moba is around Victoria Island
The moba crown Predates Oduduwa’s own it was some of theirPeople that Migrated to Otun Ekiti some are in Ijebu
The Moba people were there the Pre Oduduwa Aboriginals of Lagos
Part of them are with the Awori , some are at Ijebu and some of them are in Otun Ekiti
With the Ore Otun Ekiti who is directly descended from the Moba, Lagos Kings

The 9th Century 160km eredo wall near Ijebu and covering both Ogun and Lagos States was part of their Kingdom that reached the Sea and Many Islands off the Coast of Lagos

most of the time they are Categorised with the Awori
but though they are now part of the Awori they were in Lagos Centuries Earlier

it was the Pre Oduduwa moba King called Seniade who idol Worshippers deified as Olokun
Oore of Otun Ekiti is one of his direct descendants.
The Island he ruled from off the Coast of Lagos has now been submerged by the sea
And that was why his people moved to moba

If you see Ancient Yoruba Artifacts in South Africa from before Oduduwa was born Just know that it was moba People who took it there .
They ruled over a String of Islands and were experts in Travelling between Islands in the Atlantic Ocean

Can you see that if you think the History of Lagos Started with Oduduwa in the 10th Century you have not yet began


Sungbo eredo wall the unesco world heritage candidate site was built by the Yoruba moba Pre Oduduwa People whose Kingdom reached the Islands off the Coast of Lagos

Yoruba History is a God Given Epic





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM5oqM_7h54?si=0Bc8RLg6xl7sq77w




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J7SXJzGuLM?si=r9vlK6L3Z4NEXAEn

Benin was founded by an Obatala dynasty Ile Ife Prince called Obagodo who also became the first Ogiso of Benin.
That was why when things went belly up in Benin, it was to Ile Ife they returned for a King.
Obagodo is Yoruba for Oba Igodo.

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Please go and look after your own History and leave our Yoruba History alone!!

Christistruth02:
We know you are Jealous that Lagos is Yorubaland but did you need to announce your Jealousy and hate with your desperation to rewrite History?


Apart from the Yoruba Awori being the Owners of Lagos including Lagos Island and Isale Eko itself


It has now reached the Stage for people to Start learning the Yoruba moba
Pre Oduduwa History of Lagos
Which is. Incredibly Massive


This is a good opportunity to reteach them including the Epic Yoruba History

Do you know there were moba Yoruba people in Lagos long before Oduduwa was born they had their own Kingdom
And the moba crown predates Oduduwa's own


If we tell them a little of the History of Yoruba Lagos if they have Conscience they will Shut up and beg for Forgiveness

There were Yorubas in Lagos long before Oduduwa was born
The first Oba of Ilesha (Owa Okokun ) fetched water from the sea at moba to Cure Oduduwa’s Blindness in the 10 th Century

moba is around Victoria Island
The moba crown Predates Oduduwa’s own it was some of theirPeople that Migrated to Otun Ekiti some are in Ijebu

The 9th Century 160km eredo wall near Ijebu and covering both Ogun and Lagos States was part of their Kingdom that reached the Sea and Many Islands off the Coast of Lagos

most of the time they are Categorised with the Awori
but though they are now part of the Awori they were in Lagos Centuries Earlier

it was the Pre Oduduwa moba King called Seniade who idol Worshippers deified as Olokun
Oore of Otun Ekiti is one of his direct descendants.
The Island he ruled from off the Coast of Lagos has now been submerged by the sea
And that was why his people moved to moba

If you see Ancient Yoruba Artifacts in South Africa from before Oduduwa was born Just know that it was moba People who took it there .
They ruled over a String of Islands and were experts in Travelling between Islands in the Atlantic Ocean

Can you see that if you think the History of Lagos Started with Oduduwa in the 10th Century you have not yet began


Sungbo eredo wall the unesco world heritage site was built by the Yoruba moba Pre Oduduwa People of whose Kingdom reached the Islands off the Coast of Lagos

Yoruba History is a God Given Epic








https://www.yo8J7SXJz?si=r9vlK6L3Z4NEXAEn

Funny Clown, I was born in Moloney Ikoyi, grew up in Victoria Island, Adetokumbu Ademola Street, The same street Eko Hotel & 1004 are situated on, attended the prestigious Corona School Victoria Island, presently reside in Victoria Garden City, Lekki Ajah, why will I be jealous of myself?

Lagos is home, Eko Oni Baje.

favor914:
Funny Clown, I was born in Ikoyi Moloney, grew up in Victoria Island, Adetokumbu Ademola Street, The same street Eko Hotel & 1004 are situated on, attended the prestigious Corona School Victoria Island, presently reside in Victoria Garden City, Lekki Ajah, why will I be jealous of myself?

Babanla Foolishness

You don’t know nada about the History of Lagos!!!

Yorubas built the 160 km Unesco world Heritage candidate Site Sungbo Eredo covering Ogun and Lagos State in the 9th Century!!!!!


Yes!!!!!!

Don’t you ever dare tamper with or try to rewrite our History !!!

Christistruth02:
Babanla Foolishness

You don’t know nada about the History of Lagos!!!

Yorubas built th eUnesco world Heritage Site Sungbo Eredo covering Ogun and Lagos State in the 9th Century!!!!!


Yes!!!!!!

Don’t you dare tamper with our History

Born & bred in Eko, made my millions in Lagos State, to live & die in LA like 2 Pac, Eko Oni Baje .

Apese Bar Beach, Ahmadu Bellow Way down old Oniru palace to behind the school of oceanography annexing The NTA that Asiwaju & Chaugoury turned to Eko Atlantic is my backyard.

Dongquai:
how yorubas are able to keep their culture anywhere they find their selves seems like magic.

From benin Republic to togo to ghana to Brazil and all over.
Kudos to them.

Akwaaba.

favor914:
Born & bred in Eko, made my millions in Lagos State, to live & die in LA like 2 Pac, Eko Oni Baje .

Apese Bar Beach, Ahmadu Bellow Way down old Oniru palace to school of oceanography annexing The NTA that Asiwaju & Chaugoury turned to Eko Atlantic is my backyard.

Stay far far away from our Yoruba History!!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi42NkdarzA?si=hvwD9QNdeiJn8jIJ

favor914:
Yes o, na Yorubas & Igbos full The Americas, na them Oyibos carry pass during the Trans Atlantic Trade.

Jamaica na descendants of Igbos full there pass.

Go and open your own thread about Igbo culture in the Carribean...
Igbos and Yorubas are not twins. This thread is about Yoruba culture in the Carribean.

favor914:
Was Lagos part of the Western Region of Nigeria, if it wasn’t, how could it be the core of Yorubaland?

Why was the capital of western region situated in Ibadan?

Old Oyo now Osun & present Oyo state is the core Yoruba Land not Lagos o.

Yes. My part of Lagos (Ifako Ijaiye) was part of the western region.

H

Christistruth02:
Stay far far away from our Yoruba History!!!

Wetin I wan do with the history, i no be primary school teacher like yourself.

The fight of Kosoko & Dosunmu wey i read for primary school do me, nothing wey we take all the history do.

U wey they claim by force Lagos na immigrant like Sanwo Olu & Bola Tinubu , abi you claim say your ancestors na Awori who are not indigenous to Eko but also immigrants from Ijebu?

Why u no go claim Osogbo or Akure wey argument no dey, why Lagos

No

chopnaira:
Go and open your own thread about Igbo culture in the Carribean...
Igbos and Yorubas are not twins. This thread is about Yoruba culture in the Carribean.

what kind of myopic Bigot minded mindset are u portraying? I am not igbo, you are no different from those clueless Eyepobians u banter with everyday on Nairaland, both local birds of the same feather.

favor914:
H Wetin I wan do with the history, i no be primary school teacher like yourself.

The fight of Kosoko & Dosunmu wey i read for primary school do me, nothing wey we take all the history do.

U wey they claim by force Lagos na immigrant like Sanwo Olu & Bola Tinubu , abi you claim say your ancestors na Awori who are not indigenous to Eko but also immigrants from Ijebu?

Why u no go claim Osogbo or Akure wey argument no dey, why Lagos

Lagos is Yorubaland
Yorubaland is Yoruba Homeland
It is not Onitsha that we are dragging with you

favor914:
No what kind of myopic Bigot minded mindset are u portraying? I am not igbo, you are no different from those clueless Eyepobians u banter with everyday on Nairaland, both local birds of the same feather.

You were the one that brought tribal bigotry into the thread. The topic says orisha people in T& T. But you somehow infused Igbo into the conversation. Are you suffering from inferiority complex or what?
Igbo from where to where... Lol.

Christistruth02:
Lagos is Yorubaland
Yorubaland is Yoruba Homeland
It is not Onitsha that we are dragging with you

Yes O, Eko is Yorubaland from Epe to Ikeja, na wey get Lagos, Eko Oni Baje .

To live & die in LA.

chopnaira:
You were the one that brought tribal bigotry into the thread. The topic says orisha people in T& T. But you somehow infused Igbo into the conversation. Are you suffering from inferiority complex or what?
Igbo from where to where... Lol.

In the imagination of an oblivious minded Thing infused Igbo where, is the Oba of Benin Igbo?

Abi u think say I dey do Tom & Jerry with Yoruba & Igbo superiority dispute?

favor914:
In the imagination of an oblivious minded Thing infused Igbo where, is the Oba of Benin Igbo?

But he is right. Your post below.

favor914:
H Wetin I wan do with the history, i no be primary school teacher like yourself.

The fight of Kosoko & Dosunmu wey i read for primary school do me, nothing wey we take all the history do.

U wey they claim by force Lagos na immigrant like Sanwo Olu & Bola Tinubu , abi you claim say your ancestors na Awori who are not indigenous to Eko but also immigrants from Ijebu?

Why u no go claim Osogbo or Akure wey argument no dey, why Lagos

How can Ijebu be migrants when Epe, Ibeju, Ikorodu and many other places in Lagos are their ancestral lands.

Goodvibes007:
But he is right. Your post below.

Stating a fact thst Yorubas & Igbos are the majority tribes carried from Nigeria to the diaspora during the trans Atlantic Trade?

What does that have to do with whether Yorubas own Lagos or not, if not some people are automatically primed to bigotry?

Goodvibes007:
But he is right. Your post below.

Don't mind him jare.
I don't know why people like placing Igbos and Yorubas together as if we are cousins. We don't even share borders. Any small discussion about Yorubas, somehow, the word "Igbo" would somehow find its way into the conversation. So annoying.

favor914:
Yes O, Eko is Yorubaland from Epe to Ikeja, na wey get Lagos, Eko Oni Baje .

To live & die in LA.

Lagos Na we get am.

Instead of the guy to pounce on Ipob that is burning down his own Region and panel beat
Sense into their heads
he wanted to be dragging the Ancient History of Lagos and Yorubaland with the Owners
God Almighty bequeathed Lagos and Yorubaland to

Eko o ni baje O!!

Goodvibes007:
How can Ijebu be migrants when Epe, Ibeju, Ikorodu and many other places in Lagos are their ancestral lands.

Main article: History of Lagos
Early history
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Before the Portuguese name of Lagos had been adopted, Lagos' initial name was Eko which referred mainly to the Island.

The first to settle in Eko were the Aworis. Trade later drew various groups to the island, including the Portuguese in the 16th century. [33][34] The Awori hunters and fishermen had originally come from Ile-Ife to the coast.[35][36]

favor914:
Main article: History of Lagos
Early history
edit
Before the Portuguese name of Lagos had been adopted, Lagos' initial name was Eko which referred mainly to the Island.

The first to settle in Eko were the Aworis. Trade later drew various groups to the island, including the Portuguese in the 16th century. [33][34] The Awori hunters and fishermen had originally come from Ile-Ife to the coast.[35][36]

Thanks for the wikipedia quote, but still Ijebus are ancestral to Lagos. They were in Lagos before Lagos State was carved out by Nigeria. Ikorodu is not on the island where you have the Awori settlers.

Goodvibes007:
Thanks for the wikipedia quote, but still Ijebus are ancestral to Lagos. They were in Lagos before Lagos State was carved out by Nigeria. Ikorodu is not on the island.

Ijebu were already in Lagos before Oduduwa was born
Ijebuland begins at 5 Cowrie Creek on Victoria Island

Christistruth02:
Ijebu were already in Lagos before Oduduwa was born
Ijebuland begins at 5 Cowrie Creek on Lagos Island

100 percent. They were their before the eguns and the Egba/Owu that moved in later because of war and the Saro/Agudas that moved in later as well.

chopnaira:
Don't mind him jare.
I don't know why people like placing Igbos and Yorubas together as if we are cousins. We don't even share borders. Any small discussion about Yorubas, somehow, the word "Igbo" would somehow find its way into the conversation. So annoying.

U are not cousins, you are brothers & sisters, u cannot runaway from yourself.

U don’t share a border, u both share the same country and are both indigenous to The Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Yoruba homeland is synonymous with The Federal Republic of Nigeria, just like your igbo brothers across the negro River .

favor914:
U are not cousins, you are brothers & sisters.

U don’t share a border, u both share the same country and are both indigenous to The Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Yoruba homeland is synonymous with The Federal Republic of Nigeria, just like your igbo brothers across the negro River .

If I get to igboland today, I don't understand their language, but if I get to ketou or Porto norvo, I would feel more welcome as I would find my brothers that speak my language. Eat Amala and ewedu and share my culture.

Nigeria is just a geographical entity created by the British to serve their own interest. That's why cohesion is not strong.

Part of my schooling was in Britain and my Hausas friend from Kano is best friends with other Hausas guy from Niger Republic. They all speak Hausa and have the same food and culture.
The Igbos move with each other. Same as the Yorubas as well.
What does that tell you?