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Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by immaculatesense(m):
tctrills:
I believe you are mostly correct. But when you say that the Son will but himself under God's authority, it seems like you are saying that the Son is not God.
I prefer you say that the Son will put himself under the Father's authority.

My point has been that the Son is not just another God, he like the Father is the one true God.

I guess that's where I different with most.
We both agree. We just need to fine tune wat we agreed on. On you last statement, this is my view below.
Jesus is god in the context of his divinity but since the father is greater than the son, don't you think the Father is a superior god than the son. Let's look at some Bible context, but if you disagree, you will show me ur context too and then we reason and see what goes on from our reasoning.
1. Jesus agreed that the Father is greater than him. John 14:28.
2. Jesus affirm that the Father is his own god. John 20:17.
3. Jesus confessed that it is only the Father that is all knowing. That there are something he himself doesn't know. Matthew 24:36.
4. Jesus affirm that it is only the Father that is all able and there are things he cannot do but only the Father can. Matthew 20:23.
5. Jesus confirmed that the Father is the One true god. John 17:3.

You can see that I didn't even quote the apostles. Only Jesus himself in clear term.
Those are irrefutable proof from Jesus himself that the Father is the superior god whom alone is above Jesus.

That was why I said. Jesus is god and above all other creations but subject only to the Father who alone is superior and supreme to all including his son.
I think that's what Paul clarified in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.

Thanks and god bless you.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:25pm On Feb 24, 2025
immaculatesense:
I think we have both made our points and showed our perspectives. Thanks for the honor. You are respected sir.
Peace!
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 6:32pm On Feb 24, 2025
tctrills:
Jesus Christ is not like any other God, he is the one true God like his Father.

He is the Jehovah of the old testament. David called him his Lord. The men of old had a relationship with him.
He was the God that led the children of Israel across the Red Sea.
And he is the one that has asked us to be his witnesses.
They are too different persons
After Jesuss earthly ministry, God promoted Jesus to an higher position.
They are two different persons obviously.

Find another person to preach to.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 6:36pm On Feb 24, 2025
cornelboy:
They are too different persons
After Jesuss earthly ministry, God promoted Jesus to an higher position.
They are two different persons obviously.

Find another person to preach to.
Yes they are 2 different persons no argument.
And after Jesus Christ ministries, in his own words.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Not my words
He overcame and what did the Father do?
Humble yourself

If you feel anything I said is not based on the bible, point it out and I will apologize
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 6:38pm On Feb 24, 2025
Gabrielshow24:
I don't think so,
Here to enlighten 🧐.

At least you alluded to Jesus' equality both in purpose and nature🤤...

Now, you are thinking 🤨.
Lol
Wetin be "equal in purpose" again lol grin grin

Angels have the same nature of God, so?
Angels also are united in purpose with the Father ...


Abeg when you ready lemme know
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 6:41pm On Feb 24, 2025
tctrills:
My job is just to teach. You can mock but that isn't a wise choice
I showed you the words of Paul in Philippians 2. 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

if Christ = God, what does that make him?
Ask yourself, if you truly believe the scriptures or if you will choose the words of men over the Word of God
If Jesus start dragging equality with God like Satan tried too, he would fall just like Satan.

Everything Jesus do and his doing are all to God's glory.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 6:42pm On Feb 24, 2025
cornelboy:
If Jesus start dragging equality with God like Satan tried too, he would fall just like Satan.

Everything Jesus do and his doing are all to God's glory.
But he did not drag what was freely given him.
We just read that it was the Father that allowed him sit on the throne.
And yes everything Jesus Christ does glorifies the Father I agre.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 6:45pm On Feb 24, 2025
tctrills:
Yes they are 2 different persons no argument.
And after Jesus Christ ministries, in his own words.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Not my words
He overcame and what did the Father do?
Humble yourself

If you feel anything I said is not based on the bible, point it out and I will apologize
Lol Jesus overcame and God gave him a reward, now tell me how Jesus is same as the person that gave him reward?

You must be joking
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 6:47pm On Feb 24, 2025
cornelboy:
Lol Jesus overcame and God gave him a reward, now tell me how Jesus is same as the person that gave him reward?

You must be joking
No, I did not say he is the same person. I just told you that they are two different people.
But then what was the reward? The Father gave him everything he has. So there is nothing the Father has that the Son doesn't have.
It's in your Bible just read it.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 6:48pm On Feb 24, 2025
tctrills:
But he did not drag what was freely given him.
We just read that it was the Father that allowed him sit on the throne.
And yes everything Jesus Christ does glorifies the Father I agre.
Lol go warm eba

No be you talk say Jesus na the Father. So who's the father that allow him sit on the throne

If confusion was a person
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 6:50pm On Feb 24, 2025
tctrills:
No, I did not say he is the same person. I just told you that they are two different people.
But then what was the reward? The Father gave him everything he has. So there is nothing the Father has that the Son doesn't have.
It's in your Bible just read it.
Jesus Christ is not like any other God, he is the one true God like his Father.

He is the Jehovah of the old testament. David called him his Lord. The men of old had a relationship with him.
He was the God that led the children of Israel across the Red Sea.
And he is the one that has asked us to be his witnesses.
No be you type this?

Avoid me
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 6:50pm On Feb 24, 2025
cornelboy:
Lol go warm eba

No be you talk say Jesus na the Father. So who's the father that allow him sit on the throne

If confusion was a person
No it was not me that said so, it was Isaiah, I only quoted him.

I am a Father but that doesn't mean that I don't have a Father.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:51pm On Feb 24, 2025
cornelboy:
Lol go warm eba

No be you talk say Jesus na the Father. So who's the father that allow him sit on the throne

If confusion was a person
See what he's saying on another thread about God's word:

tctrills:
It's clear for even the blind to see.
If one verse says man can't see God and another tells you that certain men saw God, what other evidence do you need?
First, sir do you know the meaning of a contradiction?
What he is trying to tell you is that God's word contradicts itself so you can believe side A against side B but what is baffling me is how he wants to reconcile with JWs who believes there is no contradictions in the word of our God! wink
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:52pm On Feb 24, 2025
cornelboy:
Jesus Christ is not like any other God, he is the one true God like his Father.
No be you type this?
Avoid me
Now you are seeing his true color! cheesy
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 6:54pm On Feb 24, 2025
cornelboy:
Jesus Christ is not like any other God, he is the one true God like his Father.



No be you type this?

Avoid me
Yes do you have a problem with this?
We both agree that there is only one Savior
right?

Isaiah 43:11
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
So why do you have a problem with Jesus Christ being the one true God?

You can't believe him sometimes and doubt him other times.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 6:59pm On Feb 24, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
See what he's saying on another thread about God's word:



What he is trying to tell you is that God's word contradicts itself so you can believe side A against side B but what is baffling me is how he wants to reconcile with JWs who believes there is no contradictions in the word of our God! wink
Gods words never contradicts but man's translations can. I hope you understand that the bible is man's translation of Gods words right?
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 7:02pm On Feb 24, 2025
tctrills:
Yes do you have a problem with this?
We both agree that there is only one Savior
right?

Isaiah 43:11
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
So why do you have a problem with Jesus Christ being the one true God?

You can't believe him sometimes and doubt him other times.
You say they are different person
And also they are same person?
Or we have 2 Gods?
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:02pm On Feb 24, 2025
tctrills:
Gods words never contradicts but man's translations can. I hope you understand that the bible is man's translation of Gods words right?
So did man saw God or on man has ever seen God, which TRANSLATION is correct? cheesy
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:03pm On Feb 24, 2025
cheesy
cornelboy:
You say they are different person
And also they are same person?
Or we have 2 Gods?
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 7:04pm On Feb 24, 2025
[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=134282127]Now you are seeing his true color! cheesy[/qGod's?

I know he tries to paint the bible as contradicting and me I don pass that lol
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:05pm On Feb 24, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
So did man saw God or on man has ever seen God, which TRANSLATION is correct? cheesy
I don't know.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by cornelboy(op): 7:06pm On Feb 24, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
cheesy
I tire o

I remember discussing with him for a whole night a couple years back. I know he doesn't believe in the Bible.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:07pm On Feb 24, 2025
cornelboy:
You say they are different person
And also they are same person?
Or we have 2 Gods?
No I never said they are the same person.
I only showed you how 2 people can have the very same Title or position and yet it is seen as one.
Example,
Isaiah says we have only one Savior right?
Now I ask, who is the Savoir Jesus Christ or his Father or both?
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:11pm On Feb 24, 2025
tctrills:
I don't know.
OK my own brother Cornelboy knows so he can't be on the same page with a blind religionist like you!

Purposeful life based on knowledge of God eludes even clergymen. One well-known cleric said: “Why sin? Why suffering? Why the devil? These are questions I want to ask the Lord when I get to heaven.”—U.S.News & World Report, May 3, 1993

Cornelboy will teach you if you humble yourself because he has been taught by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses unlike those who taught you that can't answer scriptural questions! wink
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:14pm On Feb 24, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
See what he's saying on another thread about God's word:



What he is trying to tell you is that God's word contradicts itself so you can believe side A against side B but what is baffling me is how he wants to reconcile with JWs who believes there is no contradictions in the word of our God! wink
Again, you choose to be a hypocrite. In the past you have told me that my translation of the bible is incorrect so why pretend to be sensational when I say that I suspect translation errors. Even when we agree, you have a way of finding fault. Your wife go dey hear am hot from you. Troublesome.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:16pm On Feb 24, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
OK my own brother Cornelboy knows so he can't be on the same page with a blind religionist like you!

Purposeful life based on knowledge of God eludes even clergymen. One well-known cleric said: “Why sin? Why suffering? Why the devil? These are questions I want to ask the Lord when I get to heaven.”—U.S.News & World Report, May 3, 1993

Cornelboy will teach you if you humble yourself because he has been taught by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses unlike those who taught you that can't answer scriptural questions! wink
It's one thing to know and it's another thing to think you know. The goal here is not to claim to know all things. We know what has been revealed by God not by a governing body.
Man will and has deceived you.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:21pm On Feb 24, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
OK my own brother Cornelboy knows so he can't be on the same page with a blind religionist like you!

Purposeful life based on knowledge of God eludes even clergymen. One well-known cleric said: “Why sin? Why suffering? Why the devil? These are questions I want to ask the Lord when I get to heaven.”—U.S.News & World Report, May 3, 1993

Cornelboy will teach you if you humble yourself because he has been taught by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses unlike those who taught you that can't answer scriptural questions! wink
One more thing, I am sure you see how I have been able to answer his questions using the revealed words. I saw no need to insult or change topic all I needed to do was to quote the revealed word. I did not quote a governing body, I quoted the words of the Savior Jesus Christ.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:25pm On Feb 24, 2025
tctrills:
No I never said they are the same person.
I only showed you how 2 people can have the very same Title or position and yet it is seen as one.
Example,
Isaiah says we have only one Savior right?
Now I ask, who is the Savoir Jesus Christ or his Father or both?
Ọmọ i've told you several times that JWs are individuals who have made sure of all things {1Thessalonians 5:21} unlike you people who don't know and don't want to know through the help of your fellow man yet you want to TEACH what you don't know! 2Timothy 3:7 smiley
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:26pm On Feb 24, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ i've told you several times that JWs are individuals who have made sure of all things {1Thessalonians 5:21} unlike you people who don't know and don't want to know through the help of your fellow man yet you want to TEACH what you don't know! 2Timothy 3:7 smiley
Yea, you have told me several times what your governing body told you but you have also proved several times that those words don't mean much to you.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:26pm On Feb 24, 2025
tctrills:
One more thing, I am sure you see how I have been able to answer his questions using the revealed words. I saw no need to insult or change topic all I needed to do was to quote the revealed word. I did not quote a governing body, I quoted the words of the Savior Jesus Christ.
Guy i don't have your time.

Ire o! cheesy
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:27pm On Feb 24, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Guy i don't have your time.

Ire o! cheesy
Oya go nah. We are not 2 fighting housewives. I am here to share ideas not to nag.
Re: Joseph Had The Same Authority As Jesus.. by tctrills: 7:30pm On Feb 24, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Guy i don't have your time.

Ire o! cheesy
You claim that I never answer questions but today I have taken it upon me to answer all the questions of your boy yet you are not satisfied.
With you, there is no pleasing.
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