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MaxInDHouse:
Ask them if they don't vote first!

I am even at their place now. What a wonderful people. They don't vote and the husband is also an elder, a very good one at that. I respect them and they do same to me.
Having answered your question. What say you sir?

immaculatesense:
I am even at their place now. What a wonderful people. They don't vote and the husband is also an elder, a very good one at that. I respect them and they do same to me.
Having answered your question. What say you sir?

Do they vote?

cornelboy:
Keep what you know to yourself

I'm not interested
To me Jesus and Jehovah are two distinct persons.

I understand exactly how you feel. You created this thread. I only honoured you by contributing to it.

Again, I want to agree with you that Jesus and Jehovah are two distinct persons.so that I can teach you from your perspective.

But I can't force my teaching on you.

I totally understand and respect your feelings. It's so hard to accept change.

Again, if you have any questions related to the scriptures, feel free to mention me and trust I will be there.

MaxInDHouse:
Do they vote?

No, they don't sir.

immaculatesense:
No, they don't sir.

So ask them nah after all they are your friends.

One thing you failed to understand about JWs is that you are not their brother in faith but you are their neighbour so we are peaceful with everyone around us no matter your religion! Romans 12:18

For our neighbours Jesus commanded us to LOVE them as we do ourselves {Mark 12:31} for our fellow believers he commanded us to LOVE the same way he love us. John 13:34-35

You can't know the difference so i will expatiate:

LOVE like ourselves means we should do what we expected others to do for us to a neighbour but LOVE just as Jesus loves means preparedness to die for our fellow believers if the need arises.

So we love all our neighbours equally it's for our fellow believers that we have what is called LOYAL LOVE!

tctrills:
I understand exactly how you feel. You created this thread. I only honoured you by contributing to it.

Again, I want to agree with you that Jesus and Jehovah are two distinct persons.so that I can teach you from your perspective.

But I can't force my teaching on you.

I totally understand and respect your feelings. It's so hard to accept change.

Again, if you have any questions related to the scriptures, feel free to mention me and trust I will be there.

If Jesus is Jehovah according to you, why do they have different throne?

MaxInDHouse:
So ask them nah after all they are your friends.

One thing you failed to understand about JWs is that you are not their brother in faith but you are their neighbour so we are peaceful with everyone around us no matter your religion! Romans 12:18

For our neighbours Jesus commanded us to LOVE them as we do ourselves {Mark 12:31} for our fellow believers he commanded us to LOVE the same way he love us. John 13:34-35

You can't know the difference so i will expatiate:

LOVE like ourselves means we should do what we expected others to do for us to a neighbour but LOVE just as Jesus loves means preparedness to die for our fellow believers if the need arises.

So we love all our neighbours equally it's for our fellow believers that we have what is called LOYAL LOVE!

Max.
You know our conversation is with mutual respect and I appreciate that. But you have shied away from my direct question.
If they are not permitted by scriptures to vote for politicians to be in government because non of the apostles whom you follow after didn't involve themselves in politics, thats good, but should they also be making their living off the government that comprises of this politicians because we don't also see the apostles work for the then government to make their living? They excluded themselves totally and did their private work.
Shouldn't they also exclude themselves from being paid by the government they didn't vote in and do their private practice or business to make their living?
Since we are following the lifestyle of the apostles. I do not think we should cherry pick. Should we?

SMILES.

cornelboy:
If Jesus is Jehovah according to you, why do they have different throne?

This thread makes it easy but trust these misinformed religionists they will still not get it.

To them Jehovah vacate His throne and Jesus sat on it!

immaculatesense:
Max.
You know our conversation is with mutual respect and I appreciate that. But you have shied away from my direct question.
If they are not permitted by scriptures to vote for politicians to be in government because non of the apostles whom you follow after didn't involve themselves in politics, thats good, but should they also be making their living off the government that comprises of this politicians because we don't also see the apostles work for the then government to make their living? They excluded themselves totally and did their private work.
Shouldn't they also exclude themselves from being paid by the government they didn't vote in and do their private practice or business to make their living?
Since we are following the lifestyle of the apostles. I do not think we should cherry pick. Should we?
SMILES.

Na wah for you o!

How long have you known these people?

Why can't you iron out this matter with them since they are with you there and you are their friend?

I'm sure you never engage them on this matter that's why you are imagining things instead of asking them.
They will never ever vote for any leader because it's crime against humanity and God not because Apostles didn't vote o!

MaxInDHouse:
This thread makes it easy but trust these misinformed religionists they will still not get it.

To them Jehovah vacate His throne and Jesus sat on it!

Max.
Do your agree with Cornelius that Jesus and his father have two different throne. I am optimistic that you don't. You are wiser than that. I know because the scriptures is in your head and Revelation 3:21 rings in the memory too that the Father and the son sits on the same throne. Smile.
Revelation 3:21
[21]Those who are victorious will sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat with my Father on his throne.

Thanks.

@ Immaculate.

I will TEACH you so you can ask them later to confirm but say the truth you never engage them on this topic before now!

immaculatesense:
Max.
Do your agree with Cornelius that Jesus and his father have two different throne.

The funny thing with you is you always underestimate the oneness in thought among Jehovah's Witnesses.
Don't stay here please go to anywhere on this planet and ask any JW.

Jehovah and Jesus have separate thrones!

MaxInDHouse:
Na wah for you o!

How long have you known these people?

Why can't you iron out this matter with them since they are with you there and you are their friend?

I'm sure you never engage them on this matter that's why you are imagining things instead of asking them.
They will never ever vote for any leader because it's crime against humanity and God not because Apostles didn't vote o!

Max.
I have engaged them, even planning to do Easter with them at the kingdom hall. We just talked lightly about. I tease them sometimes and we just make fun about somethings. I respect them a lot and they do same. Just like I am teasing you now and your trying to deflect.

MaxInDHouse:
The funny thing with you is you always underestimate the oneness in thought among Jehovah's Witnesses.
Don't stay here please go to anywhere on this planet and ask any JW.

Jehovah and Jesus have separate thrones!

Max.
I want to agree with you, sincerely I really want to, but Revelation 3:21 is saying otherwise but maybe you can just show me a place in the scriptures I am not seeing that prove your point and I will just agree. I am that simple. I await.
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Max.
I have engaged them, even planning to do Easter with them at the kingdom hall. We just talked lightly about. I tease them sometimes and we just make fun about somethings. I respect them a lot and they do same. Just like I am teasing you now and your trying to deflect.

So ask (not tease) them because your salvation depends on knowing the truth not teasing up and down thinking everything is alright!

cornelboy:
If Jesus is Jehovah according to you, why do they have different throne?

As I said, let's take it step by step. But to your question, who said they have different thrones?

MaxInDHouse:
So ask (not tease) them because your salvation depends on knowing the truth not teasing up and down thinking everything is alright!

Max.
I am asking you now, because they really could not answer me and I decided not to press for based on mutual respect.
If you answer me cool, but if you choose not to, I won't press further, out of respect too.
SO, WILL YOU?
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Max.
I want to agree with you, sincerely I really want to, but Revelation 3:21 is saying otherwise but maybe you can just show me a place in the scriptures I am not seeing that prove your point and I will just agree. I am that simple. I await.
Thanks.

This is why we often plead with you people to STUDY not just read the Bible with us. Note that your friendship with us is neighbourly you are not on the same page with us so i will go straight to the points then you can ask them to expatiate more:

*God's Kingdom was established with the first human couple in Eden.
*God's Kingdom left after the rebellion in Eden.
*It was restored after God established a nation called Israel.
*They are to become kings and priests for other nations to benefit from them.
*They demanded for a King and God told them that human kings will maltreat them because He is their rightful King.
*They were supposed to wait for God's anointed King and Priest who will teach them how to help other nations.
*But they rejected that arrangement and continued practicing idolatry.
*God punished them several times until the arrival of the anointed King and Priest.
*They rejected the anointed King and all what God sent him to teach them.
*The few Jews who believe in the anointed King felt worried because of horrible things he said about Jerusalem.
*So Jerusalem the supposed center of God's Kingdom on earth was rejected by the anointed King.
*He consoled his faithful friends that he will go and establish his kingdom in the heavens.
*He will come back and take his corulers there with him.

God's heavenly throne has been there from the onset and as God's first human son Adam supposed to be our father here on earth who will be dispensing truth about his heavenly father to all his descendants but after he became a rebel he lost that privilege that's why Jesus have to step in as replacement for Adam. So the purpose of Christ's 1,000 years reign is to help obedient mankind gain perfection after which he must go back to his position as God's heavenly son while we will be having a direct dealing with our heavenly Father and God but we can never ever forget what Jesus did to help us regain the glory we as humans have in the beginning before Adam's rebellion.
So the throne designated for Jesus was not the one God has always sat on from the beginning rather another throne was set up in heaven to replace earthly throne in Jerusalem that was condemned due to the attitude of Jews! Matthew 23:37-38


If you have any question let me know!

tctrills:
As I said, let's take it step by step. But to your question, who said they have different thrones?

No be you quote the Throne verse lol

Rev 3:12 NIV
To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Mr teacher

MaxInDHouse:
This is why we often plead with you people to STUDY not just read the Bible with us. Note that your friendship with us is neighbourly you are not on the same page with us so i will go straight to the points then you can ask them to expatiate more:

*God's Kingdom was established with the first human couple in Eden.
*God's Kingdom left after the rebellion in Eden.
*It was restored after God established a nation called Israel.
*They are to become kings and priests for other nations to benefit from them.
*They demanded for a King and God told them that human kings will maltreat them because He is their rightful King.
*They were supposed to wait for God's anointed King and Priest who will teach them how to help other nations.
*But they rejected that arrangement and continued practicing idolatry.
*God punished them several times until the arrival of the anointed King and Priest.
*They rejected the anointed King and all what God sent him to teach them.
*The few Jews who believe in the anointed King felt worried because of horrible things he said about Jerusalem.
*So Jerusalem the supposed center of God's Kingdom on earth was rejected by the anointed King.
*He consoled his faithful friends that he will go and establish his kingdom in the heavens.
*He will come back and take his corulers there with him.

God's heavenly throne has been there from the onset and as God's first human son Adam supposed to be our father here on earth who will be dispensing truth about his heavenly father to all his descendants but after he became a rebel he lost that privilege that's why Jesus have to step in as replacement for Adam. So the purpose of Christ's 1,000 years reign is to help obedient mankind gain perfection after which he must go back to his position as God's heavenly son while we will be having a direct dealing with our heavenly Father and God but we can never ever forget what Jesus did to help us regain the glory we as humans have in the beginning before Adam's rebellion.
So the throne designated for Jesus was not the one God has always sat on from the beginning rather another throne was set up in heaven to replace earthly throne in Jerusalem that was condemned due to the attitude of Jews! Matthew 23:37-38


If you have any question let me know!

Max
Good analogy sir I must say you did a great job and I agree with the breakdown and summary of the creation to the end of human reign on earth. You were correct sir. BUT
You didn't answer my question and the Matthew 23:37-38 you quoted is unrelated to the question sir.
What scriptural proof shows that the Father and the son have two different thrones?
Revelation 3:21 shows they both sit on the same throne with Stephen's vision showing that Jesus sits on the right hand of the Father on that throne, and Revelation 5 shows that there is only one throne surrounded by twenty four other thrones which are for the elders. All points to just One big throne.

MAX, WHAT SCRIPTURES SHOW THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THRONES? ONE FOR THE FATHER AND THE OTHER FOR THE SON.
You have never quoted any passage relating to thrones. I have given you THREE SCRIPTURES SIR

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
So ask (not tease) them because your salvation depends on knowing the truth not teasing up and down thinking everything is alright!

You have not answered my question on politics and government employment. Or should I take ur silence as "you don't wanna talk about it?"
I Will respect your wish.
Thanks.

cornelboy:
No be you quote the Throne verse lol

Rev 3:12 NIV
To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Mr teacher

Yes, I did. Please ask your question or do you not agree with the verse?

cornelboy:
No be you quote the Throne verse lol

Rev 3:12 NIV
To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Mr teacher

Smile, sir, if Jesus claims he is sitting with his father on his throne after he overcame. If you were asked where Jesus is sitting? Is the answer not "his father's throne? Which is also his throne?
For instance, if I live in my father's house with my father and I said come to my house for a meeting. Won't those I am addressing come to my father's house? Yes of course they will because my father's house is my house cos I live there.

Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Revelation 3:21 shows they both sit on the same throne with Stephen's vision showing that Jesus sits on the right hand of the Father on that throne

If you don't study the Bible from Genesis you can never ever understand what is written in the book of Revelations!

The throne God promised the Christ is David's throne {Isaiah 9:6-7; Luke 1:32} or God's throne? Chronicles 29:23

Humble yourself and study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses, let us teach you what is written in our book: Bible!

immaculatesense:
You have not answered my question on politics and government employment. Or should I take ur silence as "you don't wanna talk about it?"
I Will respect your wish.
Thanks.

Employment is not supporting any man's government it's like you working under a boss who can fire you if you're not competent enough for the task {Proverbs 23:29} unlike you being a politician who joined the struggle to help your choice secure the seat in government, whether competent or not you must be given a position in that government.

Do you get it now?

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't study the Bible from Genesis you can never ever understand what is written in the book of Revelations!

The throne God promised the Christ is David's throne {Isaiah 9:6-7; Luke 1:32} or God's throne? Chronicles 29:23

Humble yourself and study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses, let us teach you what is written in our book: Bible!

Max.
You are only boycotting the answer. All the passage you quoted are up there in the brain but you didn't right divide them.
If I ask you another question from the explanation you quoted now, you will make mistakes again the believe of the JW.
Let me tease you small before I go back to my main question you left unanswered.
Teasing questions:
Has Jesus taken the throne of David already or Jesus will take the throne of David in his second coming during the millennium reign?
Let me see maybe you will contravene the JW doctrine because you seem to have box yourself based on the reply you gave above.

BACK TO MY QUESTION.
Which scriptures prove that there are two throne IN HEAVEN (not on earth, David's throne) where the Father is sitting on one and the Son is sitting on the other?

Thanks.

cornelboy:
No be you quote the Throne verse lol

Rev 3:12 NIV
To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

Mr teacher

I have a feeling that you want to learn how Jesus Christ is Jehovah from the bible. Is that your question?

MaxInDHouse:
Employment is not supporting any man's government it's like you working under a boss who can fire you if you're not competent enough for the task {Proverbs 23:29} unlike you being a politician who joined the struggle to help your choice secure the seat in government, whether competent or not you must be given a position in that government.

Do you get it now?

Max.
Lol. Let me agree without conceding even though you analogy is flawed because not everyone who voted is a politician, but let's leave that.
Since you people don't vote nor join politics BECAUSE THE APOSTLES DIDN'T DO THAT.
Which Apostle worked for the government and collect pay from them that we can attribute working with government to?
Maybe I didn't get the apostle's name, can you remind me please with the verses. I will appreciate.

Since the apostles are our model, aren't they?
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Max.
You are only boycotting the answer. All the passage you quoted are up there in the brain but you didn't right divide them.
If I ask you another question from the explanation you quoted now, you will make mistakes again the believe of the JW.
Let me tease you small before I go back to my main question you left unanswered.
Teasing questions:
Has Jesus taken the throne of David already or Jesus will take the throne of David in his second coming during the millennium reign?
Let me see maybe you will contravene the JW doctrine because you seem to have box yourself based on the reply you gave above.

BACK TO MY QUESTION.
Which scriptures prove that there are two throne IN HEAVEN (not on earth, David's throne) where the Father is sitting on one and the Son is sitting on the other?

Thanks.

You are really funny!

You dodged the question i asked you just to go back and forth thinking you are smart shey?

Well before the Jews ruined everything for themselves Jesus is expected to rule from where exactly?

MaxInDHouse:
You are really funny!

You dodged the question i asked you just to go back and forth thinking you are smart shey?

Well before the Jews ruined everything for themselves Jesus is expected to rule from where exactly?

Max
Lol...you keep boxing yourself.
Before the Jews ruined everything?
Was Jesus supposed to be crowned king in his first coming?
Wasn't his first coming for his death and penalty for sin? And his second coming to be crowned King in Jerusalem on David's throne?
So, what did the Jews ruined? Were they supposed to crown him king and not put him on the tree?
Because to me what happened at his first coming, his rejection and death was all part of the plan. DONT YOU AGREE? TALK OOO.

BACK TO MY QUESTION.
Two thrones, one for the Son and the other for the Father.
Scriptural references please. I am waiting.

MAX
JUST ACCEPT THAT THE FATHER HAS EXALTED THE SON TO SIT WITH HIM ON HIS THRONE AND LETS MOVE ON. SIR.
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Max
Lol...you keep boxing yourself.
Before the Jews ruined everything?
Was Jesus supposed to be crowned king in his first coming?
Wasn't his first coming for his death and penalty for sin? And his second coming to be crowned King in Jerusalem on David's throne?
So, what did the Jews ruined? Were they supposed to crown him king and not put him on the tree?
Because to me what happened at his first coming, his rejection and death was all part of the plan. DONT YOU AGREE? TALK OOO.

BACK TO MY QUESTION.
Two thrones, one for the Son and the other for the Father.
Scriptural references please. I am waiting.

MAX
JUST ACCEPT THAT THE FATHER HAS EXALTED THE SON TO SIT WITH HIM ON HIS THRONE AND LETS MOVE ON. SIR.
Thanks.

Boss I was like you when I started discussing with this boy a few years ago. I actually believed he was honest. I even defended him and his organization.
I bet he will never answer your question. He will quote verses that have zero relevance to the topic and at the end, he will advertise his church to you.
I understand that you have an open mind but when it goes as I have predicted, remember to mention me.

tctrills:
Boss I was like you when I started discussing with this boy a few years ago. I actually believed he was honest. I even defended him and his organization.
I bet he will never answer your question. He will quote verses that have zero relevance to the topic and at the end, he will advertise his church to you.
I understand that you have an open mind but when it goes as I have predicted, remember to mention me.

I will keep that in mind sir.
I will do my best to remain civil and when it's become uncivil I will bow out. It's not a discussion of win and lose. It is a discussion of this is my view and this is yours.
Thanks.