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immaculatesense:
I will keep that in mind sir.
I will do my best to remain civil and when it's become uncivil I will bow out. It's not a discussion of win and lose. It is a discussion of this is my view and this is yours.
Thanks.

I am just waiting to say I told you.

tctrills:
I am just waiting to say I told you.

Smile. I will bear that in mind.
But I hope not.

immaculatesense:
Smile. I will bear that in mind.
But I hope not.

No p

immaculatesense:
Max.
Lol. Let me agree without conceding even though you analogy is flawed because not everyone who voted is a politician.

This is where you failed woefully!

When the Israelites demanded for a King what do you think they did?
Well that was a unanimous vote against the King who chose them as His people right from the beginning: Jehovah God.

That's what makes them politicians!

immaculatesense:
Max
Lol...you keep boxing yourself.
Before the Jews ruined everything?
Was Jesus supposed to be crowned king in his first coming?
Wasn't his first coming for his death and penalty for sin? And his second coming to be crowned King in Jerusalem on David's throne?

Of course you are truly a churchian!

If the Jews had accepted Jesus the Roman emperor will surely execute him because due to the preaching and teaching of his disciples Romans will start considering Christianity and just as Vladimir Putin banned Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia the Roman emperor will start a war against the religion that's disarming (weakening) his people against their enemies and since Jesus' disciples aren't supposed to fight he will be arrested and executed just as it happened.

So anyway a close confidant will betray him and he will be killed.

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you failed woefully!

When the Israelites demanded for a King what do you think they did?
Well that was a unanimous vote against the King who chose them as his people right from the beginning: Jehovah God.

That's what makes them politicians!

Max.
Why do you keep boxing yourself?
If Jesus has been the king before the Israelites asked for a king and Saul was chosen, then later David. It means Jesus was king before Saul and David in Israel shey?
Then why will Jesus inherit the throne of his ancestor - David? Who was king before who? It is just like you saying my grandfather will inherit my throne. It doesn't add up sir. Ancestor means someone who was before you.
Luke 1:32
[32]He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David.

Max.
All these your analysis and analogy don't add up.
BACK TO MY QUESTION.
Which scriptures shows that Jesus was sitting on one throne and the Father was sitting on another?

MaxInDHouse
You have not answered my question on working for the government who entered through politics and earning your living from them.
Which Apostle worked for the government of either the Herods or the Pilates or the Caesars.
Shouldn't we follow their footsteps by not working for government who entered office through politics?

immaculatesense:
Max.
Why do you keep boxing yourself?
If Jesus has been the king before the Israelites asked for a king and Saul was chosen, then later David. It means Jesus was king before Saul and David in Israel shey?

How can Jesus be King before David?

immaculatesense:
Smile. I have had such discussions with them and we have reasoned brother.
I do not think based on your point sir, that we should work for that same government and collect salary from them. Because one of these my friends is a seasoned doctor in the Federal Medical Center here in my state and the Federal government pays him monthly. His wife whom I am also very close to is a seasoned electrical engineer in this same medical center under the pay of the federal government.

WHAT SAY YOU SIR.
WE CANT VOTE THEM BUT WE CAN WORK FOR THEM AND COLLECT OUR EARNINGS FROM THEM?
Which of the disciples worked for the government or herods or pilates or Caesars or make their living by working in their government or regime.

Brother, look at things from different lenses and your knowledge of the scriptures will benefit more lives because I know your intentions are pure.
Thanks.

Do you think that people who did not vote for Tinubu and voted for other aspirants against Tinubu should work for government?

immaculatesense:
MaxInDHouse
You have not answered my question on working for the government who entered through politics and earning your living from them.
Which Apostle worked for the government of either the Herods or the Pilates or the Caesars.
Shouldn't we follow their footsteps by not working for government who entered office through politics?

Obviously you don't want the truth now i know why my brother and his wife just keep you at a distance.

Well continue visiting them there is no need arguing blindly over this if you like go and vote for politicians we don't do so!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course you are truly a churchian!

If the Jews had accepted Jesus the Roman emperor will surely execute him because due to the preaching and teaching of his disciples Romans will start considering Christianity and just as Vladimir Putin banned Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia the Roman emperor will start a war against the religion that's disarming (weakening) his people against their enemies and since Jesus' disciples aren't supposed to fight he will be arrested and executed just as it happened.

So anyway a close confidant will betray him and he will be killed.

Max
Ahhh...why do you want to keep boxing yourself sir?
Should I start quoting scriptures on everything Jesus went through and how everything was prophesied from the scriptures including the roles of both the Jews and the Gentiles? Everything from his birth to his ascension was prophesied.

Max. You have find a way to escape or evade my question ooo.

WHICH SCRIPTURES SHOW THAT JESUS SITS ON ONE THRONE AND HIS FATHER SITS ON THE OTHER?
THANKS.

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you don't want the truth now i know why my brother and his wife just keep you at a distance.

Well continue visiting them there is no need arguing blindly over this if you like go and vote for politicians we don't do so!

Max
you haven't really answered my question. You always point to the apostle on everything you do in JW and why other Denomination who does it are not following the pattern the apostles laid.
So, I am asking you which apostle laid the foundation that JW following that allows them to work for government which they are not allowed to vote into positions?
Since the apostles did not involve in politics and JW incorporated that. Why is it that the apostles did not work for the then government, but JW refuses to incorporate that.
Should we call it cherry picking?

immaculatesense:
Smile. I have had such discussions with them and we have reasoned brother.
I do not think based on your point sir, that we should work for that same government and collect salary from them. Because one of these my friends is a seasoned doctor in the Federal Medical Center here in my state and the Federal government pays him monthly. His wife whom I am also very close to is a seasoned electrical engineer in this same medical center under the pay of the federal government.

WHAT SAY YOU SIR.
WE CANT VOTE THEM BUT WE CAN WORK FOR THEM AND COLLECT OUR EARNINGS FROM THEM?
Which of the disciples worked for the government or herods or pilates or Caesars or make their living by working in their government or regime.

Brother, look at things from different lenses and your knowledge of the scriptures will benefit more lives because I know your intentions are pure.
Thanks.

Do you think that people who did not vote for Tinubu or voted for other aspirants against Tinubu should work for government?

immaculatesense:
Max
Ahhh...why do you want to keep boxing yourself sir?
Should I start quoting scriptures on everything Jesus went through and how everything was prophesied from the scriptures including the roles of both the Jews and the Gentiles? Everything from his birth to his ascension was prophesied.

Max. You have find a way to escape or evade my question ooo.

WHICH SCRIPTURES SHOW THAT JESUS SITS ON ONE THRONE AND HIS FATHER SITS ON THE OTHER?
THANKS.

immaculatesense:
Max
you haven't really answered my question. You always point to the apostle on everything you do in JW and why other Denomination who does it are not following the pattern the apostles laid.
So, I am asking you which apostle laid the foundation that JW following that allows them to work for government which they are not allowed to vote into positions?
Since the apostles did not involve in politics and JW incorporated that. Why is it that the apostles did not work for the then government, but JW refuses to incorporate that.
Should we call it cherry picking?

Find a church that will understand you or start yours i don't have time to waste with people like you!

[quote author=Truthseeker10 post=134298662]It is a matter of choice and not a spiritual matter. So, it is their choice, their choices change nothing spiritually. It is their choice. We have seen people who resigned because the person they didn't support entered governmental positions and some stayed put. None of them is wrong nor right because it is not a spiritual matter.
You made politics a spiritual matter because you attached righteous to none involvement in politics.
Shouldn't the same approach be given to working under those politicians when they get to office and expect salaries from them at the end of every month?

MaxInDHouse:
Find a church that will understand you or start yours i don't have time to waste with people like you!

Max.
I am sorry for wasting your time sir.

BUT YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS SIR.

1. Which apostle worked for the government in the scriptures?
2. Which passage of the scriptures proves that there are two different thrones in heaven in which the Father is sitting on one and the Son is sitting on the other?

THANK.

immaculatesense:
It is a matter of choice and not a spiritual matter. So, it is their choice, their choices change nothing spiritually. It is their choice. We have seen people who resigned because the person they didn't support entered governmental positions and some stayed put. None of them is wrong nor right because it is not a spiritual matter.
You made politics a spiritual matter because you attached righteous to none involvement in politics.
Shouldn't the same approach be given to working under those politicians when they get to office and expect salaries from them at the end of every month?

I never asked you if it was a spiritual matter or not.
So if I decide not to vote, have I done anything wrong if I work for government?

MaxInDHouse:
How can Jesus be King before David?

That's what I am asking you ooo. Because in your analogy you said Jesus was king over the Jews but the Jews played politics by demanding for a king and that's what made politics wrong.
So, I am now asking you. When did Jesus become the king of the Jews? Max?

immaculatesense:
Max.
I am sorry for wasting your time sir.

BUT YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS SIR.

1. Which apostle worked for the government in the scriptures?
2. Which passage of the scriptures proves that there are two different thrones in heaven in which the Father is sitting on one and the Son is sitting on the other?

THANK.

He won't answer your questions!!!

That's how he does!
When you ask him critical questions or reflect his own argument to him.

He avoids it entirely 🤧..
At least this time he didn't bring out the argument of church🤣🤣 or the legendary what's your church rhetorics 🤨?

That's his modus operandi, that's why we call him intellectually dishonest and very illogical...

I must commend you for your civility but as time goes you will come to see, he is a purveyor of lies, misconceptions and false equivocations!!!

Nothing more, nothing less.

Truthseeker10:
I never asked you if it was a spiritual matter or not.
So if I decide not to vote, have I done anything wrong if I work for government?

Are you following the WORKS of the apostles laid down? 🤨

Bloody hypocrite!!!

Gabrielshow24:
Are you following the WORKS of the apostles laid down? 🤨

Bloody hypocrite!!!

You obviously need sleep.

Truthseeker10:
I never asked you if it was a spiritual matter or not.
So if I decide not to vote, have I done anything wrong if I work for government?

If you have nothing against voting and you decided not to vote, you have done nothing wrong if you work for the government. I have never voted in an election before but I do not have any issue with voting.

But if you condemn voting in an election, it is wrong for you to work in the government constituted by those who entered through the voting you condemned.

SIMPLITO.
THANKS.

Gabrielshow24:
He won't answer your questions!!!

That's how he does!
When you ask him critical questions or reflect his own argument to him.

He avoids it entirely 🤧..
At least this time he didn't bring out the argument of church🤣🤣 or the legendary what's your church rhetorics 🤨?

That's his modus operandi, that's why we call him intellectually dishonest and very illogical...

I must commend you for your civility but as time goes you will come to see, he is a purveyor of lies, misconceptions and false equivocations!!!

Nothing more, nothing less.

I respect your thoughts sir.
But I must give it to Max. He has been very civil throughout our conversation.
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
If you have nothing against voting and you decided not to vote, you have done nothing wrong if you work for the government. I have never voted in an election before but I do not have any issue with voting.

But if you condemn voting in an election, it is wrong for you to work in the government constituted by those who entered through the voting you condemned.

SIMPLITO.
THANKS.

If I vote for a political office holder, am I responsible for what the person does in office?

Truthseeker10:
You obviously need sleep.

You are nothing but an hypocrite!!!
Your double standard is revealed for all to see!!!

Gabrielshow24:
You are nothing but an hypocrite!!!
Your double standard is revealed for all to see!!!

Kindly show me the double standard.

Truthseeker10:
If I vote for a political office holder, am I responsible for what the person does in office?

Lol.
If I give birth to a child, am I responsible for what the child does when he gets old.
Was God responsible for what Saul did as a king? At least, the Israelites didn't chose Saul, God himself anointed Saul. Abi?
Was Jesus responsible for Judas atrocities and theft even though he was the one who appointed him among the twelve and also as treasurer?
If you lend a person a loan to set up a business and the person diverted it to buy guns and began to terrorize people, will you be responsible for the atrocities of an adult?

So, if I choose a person based on his promise and my own observation into office and he renege on his promises and started doing his own will against the people. All he does is on him when he appears before God in Judgement.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
NOW ANSWER MINE.

Should you condemn politics and justify being under the payroll of the politicians?

immaculatesense:
If you have nothing against voting and you decided not to vote, you have done nothing wrong if you work for the government. I have never voted in an election before but I do not have any issue with voting.

But if you condemn voting in an election, it is wrong for you to work in the government constituted by those who entered through the voting you condemned.

SIMPLITO.
THANKS.

Are you blind truthseeker10?
Didn't you see this🤨?

immaculatesense:
It is a matter of choice and not a spiritual matter. So, it is their choice, their choices change nothing spiritually. It is their choice. We have seen people who resigned because the person they didn't support entered governmental positions and some stayed put. None of them is wrong nor right because it is not a spiritual matter.
You made politics a spiritual matter because you attached righteous to none involvement in politics.
Shouldn't the same approach be given to working under those politicians when they get to office and expect salaries from them at the end of every month?

What If I voted against Tinubu in the last election and convinced others not to vote for him, would it be right to work for the government now?

immaculatesense:
That's what I am asking you ooo. Because in your analogy you said Jesus was king over the Jews but the Jews played politics by demanding for a king and that's what made politics wrong.
So, I am now asking you. When did Jesus become the king of the Jews? Max?

You misquoted me!
It's Jehovah that's King not Jesus!

immaculatesense:
Lol.
If I give birth to a child, am I responsible for what the child does when he gets old.
Was God responsible for what Saul did as a king? At least, the Israelites didn't chose Saul, God himself anointed Saul. Abi?
Was Jesus responsible for Judas atrocities and theft even though he was the one who appointed him among the twelve and also as treasurer?
If you lend a person a loan to set up a business and the person diverted it to buy guns and began to terrorize people, will you be responsible for the atrocities of an adult?

So, if I choose a person based on his promise and my own observation into office and he renege on his promises and started doing his own will against the people. All he does is on him when he appears before God in Judgement.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
NOW ANSWER MINE.

Should you condemn politics and justify being under the payroll of the politicians?

So according to your logic, it is wrong for obidients or other Nigerians to hold responsible those who voted for Tinubu. True or false?

MaxInDHouse:
You misquoted me!
It's Jehovah that's King not Jesus!

You escaped the box.
Iya back to question.
Is Jesus currently sitting on David's throne now as we speak or during the millennium? If you say, David's throne, you will box yourself with another question.
If no, then which throne is Jesus currently sitting if it is not David's throne and at the same time it is not God's throne, which own dey again?
Since you said there are two thrones, David's throne and God's throne.