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immaculatesense:
MaxInDHouse
You have not answered my question on working for the government who entered through politics and earning your living from them.
Which Apostle worked for the government of either the Herods or the Pilates or the Caesars.
Shouldn't we follow their footsteps by not working for government who entered office through politics?

immaculatesense:
Max.
I am sorry for wasting your time sir.
BUT YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS SIR.
1. Which apostle worked for the government in the scriptures?
2. Which passage of the scriptures proves that there are two different thrones in heaven in which the Father is sitting on one and the Son is sitting on the other?
THANK.

Truthseeker10:
So according to your logic, it is wrong for obidients or other Nigerians to hold responsible those who voted for Tinubu. True or false?

immaculatesense:
You didn't read my logic sir. If you did, your question did not show that you even read a letter of it. Read it again.
Why will they old them responsible? Which court will they take them to where they will be convicted because they voted a president and the president did not perform? Have that ever happened in any court of law in any country before where people are charge to church for voting a person who stole government money? But we have seen former president in countries jailed for stealing or corruption while in office, did they arrest those who voted for them alongside them? Nawa ooo.

You never read my question.

MaxInDHouse:
Our Governing Body members (Apostles) don't do secular works. After Jesus chose them they stopped their secular works {Matthew 19:27} but other disciples are working wherever they get employed unless military services because Jesus commanded them not to hate anyone. Mark 12:31

Psalms 110:1
Jesus' throne is at God's right hand which means he has God's backing.

Please whenever i cite a scripture make sure you read it because if you don't i will not continue wasting my time.

Truthseeker10:
Oga so is it wrong for obidients or other Nigerians to hold responsible those who voted for Tinubu? Yes or no?

What if I am an obidient, and I voted against Tinubu in the last election and convinced others not to vote for him, would it be right for me to work for the government now after condemning Tinubu?

immaculatesense:
I have told you, it is not wrong because (1) politics is about choices (2) he who opposes today may support tomorrow and vice versa and we see that a lot in politics across the world.
But in the case where a person says ALL POLITICAL ACTIVITIES ARE WRONG but money that proceeds from occupants of POLITICAL OFFICES ARE RIGHT. That in itself is double standard and hypocrisy. Such a person should start a business or a private firm and earn his good or pure money.

SIMPLITO.
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
David's throne and God's throne.

immaculatesense:
The funniest thing is that I know most of those scriptures off hand and other related verses talking about the same thing which helps me in two ways. Easily locating related scriptures and also given proper context and interpretation.

Back to your reply.
If Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God and God sits on his throne according to where you quoted in Psalm 110:1 and also supported by Stephen in Acts 7:56 and Jesus said that right hand was on his father's throne in Revelation 3:21.
Doesn't that mean that Jesus after his ascension was and is still sitting at the right hand of his father on his father's throne?
Is it not that simple to add up?
Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
So If as an Obidient, I condemn Tinubu as a politician and voted against him and told others not to vote for him, and i later work under Tinubu and get paid by him, am i not an hypocrite? Yes or no?

Would it not be wrong for me to insult those who voted for Tinubu because of the hardship in Nigeria since they should not be held responsible even though they voted for him? Yes or no?

immaculatesense:
Sir, question reply.
If your bored sir. It's late already, you are at liberty to sleep. Thanks. Though you left my question unanswered but no probz...go and sleep.
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
The funniest thing is that I know most of those scriptures off hand and other related verses talking about the same thing which helps me in two ways. Easily locating related scriptures and also given proper context and interpretation.

Back to your reply.
If Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God and God sits on his throne according to where you quoted in Psalm 110:1 and also supported by Stephen in Acts 7:56 and Jesus said that right hand was on his father's throne in Revelation 3:21.
Doesn't that mean that Jesus after his ascension was and is still sitting at the right hand of his father on his father's throne?
Is it not that simple to add up?
Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you joking or you want to learn?

God's throne is in heaven and whenever i say "God" i'm not talking about Jesus that's what you thought the other time.

Any anointed King over God's people is sitting on extension of God's throne no matter where such a person is:


Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD (JEHOVAH) as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him. 1Chronicles 29:23

So the throne Jesus is sitting presently is the one David sat that was promised to the Christ an extension of God's throne!

Janosky:
Christ is sitting on his Father's throne & ruling in the midst of his enemies after his ascension to heaven.
1 Corinthians 15:24-27.

The throne belongs to God Jehovah the Father of Jesus Christ.
It doesn't matter that we call it Jesus throne just as it doesn't matter that we call the same throne as "David's throne", Luke 1:32.

immaculatesense:
1. Where was David throne when he ruled over Israel? Was the throne in heaven or on earth?

MaxInDHouse:
According to God's promise Christ is to rule over the earth from Jerusalem right on David's throne {Isaiah 2:3; 9:7} that is why his disciples were anticipating quick transition after his resurrection {Act 1:6} but just as he told the Jews his kingdom will no longer be established in the land of the Jews due to their unbelief! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38

So when he promised his corulers that he is taking them to another location {John 14:1-3} he is talking about where God decided to take that seat of Government to instead of Jerusalem on planet earth!

immaculatesense:
Read my reply to janosky just above ur comment. Jesus is not currently in David throne but will be in David throne during the millennium, but currently still on the Father throne till the appointed time of the Gentiles is complete.

Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
Where will the statement above take place?

immaculatesense:
Read my reply to janosky just above ur comment. Jesus is not currently in David throne but will be in David throne during the millennium, but currently still on the Father throne till the appointed time of the Gentiles is complete. Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
That's your own opinion but what we believe is that he has been sitting on David's throne since the year 1914

immaculatesense:
In Jerusalem. Obviously, the throne of David is not in Abuja, Nigeria.

immaculatesense:
Ohhhh...okay, let's not border going down the memory line of Charles Russell an the dates.
Let me just respect that view and not prosecute it.
At least we have been able to accertain that Jesus is sitting on his father's throne with his father on his right hand of honor.

Let's leave the dates. I understand the whole thing. I don't like unending argument, let me just save both of us the stress.

Truthseeker10:
So Jesus will come back to earth as human and go to Jerusalem? If yes, explain John 14:19.

immaculatesense:
I believe you read scriptures because that passage has nothing to do with Jesus second coming. He was on saying in verse 19 that he will die and people will see him no more but he will rise again in verse 20 and then show himself to them (the disciples) and because he will rise again overcoming death, his folloers will also live because he lives. He wasn't even talking about his second coming in the passage.

So, you didn't bring anything out from John 14:19. Or do you have another interpretation? Let's see.

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever you think doesn't count until you are able to present a better performing group that's globally doing the work Jesus assigned to his disciples whatever the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses say regarding interpretation remains unchallenged! Matthew 7:16-18

immaculatesense:
You organization have my respect.
Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
Explain 1 Timothy 6:16.

MaxInDHouse:
What you failed to understand is that only Jesus perfectly understood all that has to do with his father's program and despite being with his disciples who were born, bread and brought up with him as Jews physically they still found it hard to grasp his messages not to talk of people who can't see him physically but dealing with him through the means of God's Active Force.
Surely they will also have their flaws but just as there is no group in the first century Jewish community that could stand the faith of Jesus' disciples no group on this planet today can stand the faith of Jehovah's Witnesses.
So this people have it whether you agree or not!

immaculatesense:
Smile. Sir, should I summarize the whole 1 Timothy for you to save you stress?

Okay. Back to your specific questions.
Paul was admonishing Timothy, his spiritual son and an elder, to live a godly life, uphold the faith and the doctrine he has had both from Paul, his mother and grandmother and to also stand strong against the nay Sayers until Jesus COMES AGAIN verse 14. And then Jesus verse 15 will be revealed from heaven based on the permission of the Father who in verse 16 which your question is, it is the Father (not Jesus) Paul was describing as the One who never dies (cos the Father cannot die) and he alone no eyes have seen. And this is also confirm in other scriptures
John 1:18
[18]No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us.

1 John 4:12
[12]No one has ever seen God. But if we love each other, God lives in us, and his love is brought to full expression in us.

Thanks.

Truthseeker10:
Below is Kjv translation of 1 Timothy 6:14-16.

That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

immaculatesense:
This is NLT
1 Timothy 6:14-16
[14]that you obey this command without wavering. Then no one can find fault with you from now until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again.
[15]For,At just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God, the King of all kings and Lord of all lords.
[16]He alone can never die, and he lives in light so brilliant that no human can approach him. No human eye has ever seen him, nor ever will. All honor and power to him forever! Amen.

AMPLIFIED
1 Timothy 6:14-16
[14]To keep all His precepts unsullied and flawless, irreproachable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Anointed One),
[15]Which [appearing] will be shown forth in His own proper time by the blessed, only Sovereign (Ruler), the King of kings and the Lord of lords,
[16]Who alone has immortality [in the sense of exemption from every kind of death] and lives in unapproachable light, Whom no man has ever seen or can see. Unto Him be honor and everlasting power and dominion. Amen (so be it).

I have six versions of the Bible with me.
POST YOUR VERSION, DONT BE SHY, LET US SEE.
THANKS.

Truthseeker10:
So according to the versions that you put up there, do you agree that the Father alone is the "Almighty God" and "Sovereign Ruler" and the only person who has "Immortality"?