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GothamCities:
Did you read Revelation 12:12?

According to you,he has been defeated in Revelation 12:7-9 but Revelation 12:12 tells us that "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth..... because he knows his time is short."

Does that look like a weakened person to you? He was cast out of the heavenly realms. His power and strength were never taken from him. He was merely cast out to the earth.

Nah angel acting on the Orders of Yahweh @ Revelation 1:1 carried out what you read in Revelation 22:1-2.

Janosky:
Nah angel acting on the Orders of Yahweh @ Revelation 1:1 carried out what you read in Revelation 22:1-2.

GothamCities:
Who is talking about Revelation 22?

I am telling you that Satan was cast out of heaven. He was not stripped of his might. The Angel that bound him was too powerful for him. He couldn't even resist. That angel looks stronger than Michael who had to battle Satan before subduing him in every occasion of the encounters. This angel.csught him like an ordinary down, and the Lord Jesus who cast away Satan by His mere words is stronger than this angel.

Open your eyes, I pray thee.

StillDtruth:
Na true oo.
That would mean one old JW Nairalander does not want us to know that he is the same devil coming to do Satan's work.

Janosky:
Please bring the chapter and verse supporting your claim
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Courz:
Exactly. The topic of your thread is actually Correct. Satan cannot stand in the presence of Jesus. Former Satanists who are now Christians have said that they have observed How Satan runs away with a speed of light when Jesus came to deliver them and rescue them from their Coven when they called upon his name. There is no such thing as Satan and Jesus fighting. Satan is too small for Jesus. From several Testimonies I have read and watched, Satan and his Demons flee at the sight of Jesus because Of Who he is, because of the Authority he has. They know it means Death for them. This proves that Jesus Can Never Be Angel Michael. It is such a shame that JWs don't know Jesus whereas Satan himself understands who Jesus Truly is! All because of their Freemason Governing Body who are Satanists giving Jesus a different identity so that JWs do not have a relationship with him same way they don't have. Reason why they are taught that Jesus is Not their Mediator.

I think you are now seeing JWS for what they truly are. They are not Peace loving as how they like to paint themselves when they go to preach. At least from what you have been seeing from the JW miscreants that have been arguing with you for weeks. The person has another moniker you already know about. It is even possible the person is amongst these JWs around you. The person went to open a new Nairaland account today today to threaten you to make you back down because you have shown the foolishness of their doctrines and how they sound to Sane people. Many people are already aware of how they act when they are exposed and have their doctrines trashed in the dust bin. It is good the person helped to reveal who they are by his threats. This way, the public can testify of their hypocrisy. That's how Cults operate. They threaten you When you show them that you cannot be brainwashed same way They were threatening people to join them back in the day with the belief that the world is going to end in 1975. They don't like it when you know the Bible very well and can use it to prove them wrong. JWs are Never wrong. Only the rest of Christianity are wrong and are for Satan.

Janosky:
Hebrew 1:2
God Yahweh created the universe THROUGH his Son (Jesus)".

From Colossians to John 1:3, to 1 Corinthians 8:6, the Greek word DIA meaning 'THROUGH ' is in right there in these verses.

None of these verses support your FALSE claims.
You can continue WAILING & ranting up and down, the meaning of Greek DIA won't ever suit your FALSEHOOD and self serving deceit.

Janosky:
Go and argue with your fellow Trinitarians (Martin Luther,Revd Charles Spurgeon, Geneva Bible etc) who said that Jesus is archangel Michael.
Seventh Day Adventists saw it in Revelation chapter 12
Your 3rd person deity taught them. (Screenshot evidence).


Why you go see the chapters & verses in your own Bible proven Jesus is archangel Michael when you have saturated your brain with Nicene GIBBERISH invented by men!

GothamCities:
Look at these Scriptures:

Jude 1:9

"bYet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee[/b]."

Can you see here that Michael had to CONTEND with Satan, and had no authority to personally rebuke him? He had to say "The Lord rebuke thee Satan ". Michael had no authority to even rebuke Satan himself.

Open your eyes my friend!

See again:

Here's the updated passage:

Daniel 10:13, 20-21

"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; for I remained there with the kings of Persia... Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince."

Here In verse 20, the angelic messenger says he will return to fight alongside Michael against the prince of Persia. Meaning, he expected to meet Michael still fighting the king of Persia and would therefore support Michael against the prince Persia. Does this look like the Mighty Jesus to you?

Now, see again and compare the power of this angel with that of Michael:

Revelation 20:1-3

"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

In this passage, an angel descends from heaven, binds Satan with a great chain without any resistance, and casts him into the bottomless pit, where he remains for 1,000 years. At this time, the earth already became Satan's domain because he was already evicted from the heavenlies. The earth in trouble. Satan came with all his might, strength and fury, yet an angel caught him like a fowl without the support of any other angel. No single resistance. He just picked him and threw him into prison. Do you think this particular Angel is mightier than Jesus whom you call angel Michael? Think my friend and stop being deceived.

This is what the scriptures say after Satan was defeated and cast out of the heavenly realms:

Revelation 12:12 :

"Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

He was not cast out with broken bones and a dilapidated body. His strength and fury remained with him, yet an angel simply picked him up without any resistance. Just compare Michael with thia Angel, and you'll see clearly that Jesus is not Michael.

Emusan:
He doesn't have that cognitive capability to understand this post of yours.

That is why you always see him making disjointed posts.

GothamCities:
Look at these Scriptures:

Jude 1:9

"bYet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee[/b]."

Can you see here that Michael had to CONTEND with Satan, and had no authority to personally rebuke him? He had to say "The Lord rebuke thee Satan ". Michael had no authority to even rebuke Satan himself.

Open your eyes my friend!

See again:

Here's the updated passage:

Daniel 10:13, 20-21

"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; for I remained there with the kings of Persia... Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince."

Here In verse 20, the angelic messenger says he will return to fight alongside Michael against the prince of Persia. Meaning, he expected to meet Michael still fighting the king of Persia and would therefore support Michael against the prince Persia. Does this look like the Mighty Jesus to you?

Now, see again and compare the power of this angel with that of Michael:

Revelation 20:1-3

"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

In this passage, an angel descends from heaven, binds Satan with a great chain without any resistance, and in the blink of an eye casts him into the bottomless pit, where he remains for 1,000 years. No fighting, no contention. At this time, the earth already became Satan's domain because he was already evicted from the heavenlies. The earth in trouble. Satan came with all his might, strength and fury, yet an angel caught him like a fowl without the support of any other angel. No single resistance. He just picked him and threw him into prison. Do you think this particular Angel is mightier than Jesus whom you call angel Michael? Think my friend and stop being deceived.

This is what the scriptures say after Satan was defeated and cast out of the heavenly realms:

Revelation 12:12 :

"Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

He was not cast out with broken bones and a dilapidated body. His strength and fury remained with him, yet an angel simply picked him up without any resistance. Just compare Michael with thia Angel, and you'll see clearly that Jesus is not Michael.

Courz:
All these your explanations from the Bible cannot be understood by a JW. JWs have had their brains washed with Bleach. The most basic Biblical understanding is lacking in that Cult because their leaders do not operate with the Holy Spirit which they have admitted to. The Cult was specifically designed to promote Lies and Instill brainwashing techniques on the members. There is also a Spiritual viel covering the eyes of JWs such that when you show them Bible verses, they can't see what you are seeing. It is that serious because their Leaders get their inspiration from Fallen Angels. These verses you posted are very simple to understand when you have the Holy Spirit. But since Watchtower Leaders prefer Human understanding with many Errors they brand as New Light, A JW will completely ignore these verses and stick to the brainwashed points from their Freemason Governing Body.

GothamCities:
Fantastic!

Thanks for the heads-up. Now I understand.

Emusan has also raised similar concerns.

Emusan:
Definitely!

For instance look at the scenario where Apostle Peter was talking about last day.

"And by the same word, the present heavens and earth have been stored up for fire. They are being kept for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed." - 2 Peter 3:7

An average JWs will only focus on last part of verse 7 where it says "... ungodly people will be destroyed"

As God will only destroy wicked people and earth and heavens won't be destroyed to justify watchtower doctrine of LIVING FOREVER ON PLANET EARTH.

Meanwhile, the rest of that same 2 Peter 3 expressly talked about the very ELEMENTS that made up Earth and Heavens

As seen below.

8 "But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day. 9 The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment. 11 Since everything around us is going to be destroyed like this, what holy and godly lives you should live, 12 looking forward to the day of God and hurrying it along. On that day, he will set the heavens on fire, and the elements will melt away in the flames. 13 But we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth he has promised, a world filled with God’s righteousness.

Even a secondary school student should understand this plain & simple sentences but yet you see an adult rejecting it just because some men in Warwick say don't believe it.

Just the same way when Jesus was talking about His flesh and blood, Christ made it clear that whoever did not eat His flesh and drink His blood will not have part in Him.

Yet Watchtower teaches that ONLY FEW SELECTED people need to eat and drink Christ's flesh and blood.

From the horse mouth Himself:
"So Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you cannot have eternal life within you. But anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise that person at the last day." - John 6:53-54

Emusan:
So Martin Luther, Revd Charles Spurgeon, Geneva Bible etc Seventh Day Adventists who said that Jesus is archangel Michael "ALL HAVE THE TRUTH"

Emusan:
No Bible verse from you till now that says Jesus is an Angel or Michael.

Bury your empty skull in shame!

GothamCities:
Who is talking about Revelation 22?

I am telling you that Satan was cast out of heaven. He was not stripped of his might. The Angel that bound him was too powerful for him. He couldn't even resist. That angel looks stronger than Michael who had to battle Satan before subduing him in every occasion of the encounters. This angel.csught him like an ordinary down, and the Lord Jesus who cast away Satan by His mere words is stronger than this angel.

Open your eyes, I pray thee.

StillDtruth:

*1. See Madness.
*2. You confess that The Mightiest created everything through His Son, yet you dey argue they define "through".

*3.
Your Madness don cast finish and you no get any reasonable thing you wan say for this life

Still D dunce DSpeaker using another moniker.

Your *1 was unnecessary, unless you have serious ment issues.
But as a matter of fact,you are deluded.
*2. Is the fact supported by your own Bible - Hebrew 1:2 & John 1:1-3.
*3. Your claim proven you have serious ment issues.

GothamCities:
Look at these Scriptures:

Jude 1:9

"bYet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee[/b]."

Can you see here that Michael had to CONTEND with Satan, and had no authority to personally rebuke him? He had to say "The Lord rebuke thee Satan ". Michael had no authority to even rebuke Satan himself.

Open your eyes my friend!

GothamCities:
Look at these Scriptures:

Jude 1:9

"bYet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee[/b]."

Can you see here that Michael had to CONTEND with Satan, and had no authority to personally rebuke him? He had to say "The Lord rebuke thee Satan ". Michael had no authority to even rebuke Satan himself.

Open your eyes my friend!

GothamCities:
Look at these Scriptures:


See again:

Here's the updated passage:

Daniel 10:13, 20-21

"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; for I remained there with the kings of Persia... Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince."

Here In verse 20, the angelic messenger says he will return to fight alongside Michael against the prince of Persia. Meaning, he expected to meet Michael still fighting the king of Persia and would therefore support Michael against the prince Persia. Does this look like the Mighty Jesus to you?

Janosky:
They spoke the truth that Jesus is archangel Michael.

Definition of angel,
"A messenger, generally a (supernatural ) messenger sent from God conveying news from God to men".
Angel, messenger, envoy, the same thing.
Psalms 103:20,@ John 12:49 @John14:24.
"The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it."

Psalms 103:20
"Bless Yahweh, you His angels, Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word!"

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Emusan LYING miscreant,Was Jesus sent by Yahweh his Father?
Yes, he's Yahweh's angel.

*Emusan LYING miscreant,
Did Jesus Yahweh's angel speak what he was has commanded to say and how to say it?


Emusan LYING miscreant, @ John 14:24 & John 12:49, According to Jesus Christ,was Jesus sent to perform Yahweh's word and obey Yahweh's voice?

Jesus Christ is an angel sent to speak Yahweh's word.
Emusan LYING miscreant bury your empty skull inside portuhportuh.

Janosky:
Archangel Michael "strengthened" the angel to overcome the Prince of Persia & later this same angel "is about to return to engage the same Prince of Persia in another battle as well as the Prince of Greece, @Daniel 10:20-21.

Jesus Christ archangel Michael is the leader of all angels in battle and Victory, this fact is scripturally confirmed.
Matthew 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7-8 & Revelation 12:7-9.

"Please note that "CONTEND & dispute" @ Jude 1:9 were verbal exchanges which led to the statement of 'rebuke' from archangel Michael.

The point you are missing is this:
@ Matthew 4:10 Jesus performed Yahweh's word and obeyed Yahweh's voice to REBUKE the devil.
" You MUST worship Yahweh your God, only Him you MUST serve."(Jesus copied Deuteronomy 6: 13).

@ Zechariah 3:1-2, "Yahweh rebuke you" was copied in Jude 1:9.

In both Matthew chapter 4 & Jude 1:9/Zechariah 3:1-2, it is the command of Yahweh that REBUKE the devil.
Likewise,Revelation chapter 20:1-2, the command came from God Yahweh @Revelation 1:1/Psalms 103:20 & executed by Jesus Christ in tandem with other angels.
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Janosky:
Who is the "Lord" @ Jude 1:9?
Let's start....

Janosky:

Gotham,Would Jesus perform anything & speak anything without Yahweh's command ?
No nau.

Open your eyes to Psalms 103:20, John 12:49 & Revelation 1:1.
Yahweh MUST give the Command.
John 12:49,Then,Jesus His angel MUST Obey or other angels MUST Obey with Jesus support.
Psalms 103:20 & Revelation 1:1, Yahweh talk am.
John 12:49, Jesus Christ must do am.....

GothamCities:
No matter who gives the command, that dies not make Jesus Michael. We understand the relationship between the Father and the Son quite well but you don't.

GothamCities:
Jesus never says, I say unto you in the name of Yahweh. Does He? He gives the rebukes and commands as coming directly from Himself. Michael can never dare do that. He had to rebuke Satan in the name of the Lord Jesus. There's only one Lord according to the scriptures. And Jesus is the only one Lord in all the universe.

Janosky:

LYING miscreant, is John 5:19 & John 12:49 written in your own Bible?
You don't understand anything,so Stop deceiving yourself.
Every angel speaks the message Yahweh gives them.
Jesus Christ is no exception.
Jesus Christ confirmed he speaks Yahweh's messages, John 14:24, John 12:49. John 7:16..

LYING miscreant, did Jesus say "it is written" in your own Bible?

You are rejecting John 12:49 & John 5:19,30.

Archangel Michael copied Zechariah 3:1-2 "Yahweh (LORD) rebuke you" @ Jude 1:9.
Gotham, Stop deceiving yourself.

GothamCities:
Everyone including prophets speak the message God gives them. Okay? JW cult miscreant. Son of the devil, Jesus clearly introduced Himself in the Book of Revelation and spoke directly to John as early as Revelation 1:17-18. The letters were directly Jesus' own words to the churches.

GothamCities:
In Acts 10:36, Peter said Jesus is the Lord of all.

"The message he declared was good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all."

John 12:49 and John 5:19-30 never said Jesus is the only one who speaks from the Father. Every child of God with a message speaks the same way. Revelation 1:17-18 is Jesus introducing Himself to John and calling Himself the First and the Last.

Empty JW cult miscreant, hater of truth, son of the devil, you shall by yourself spread your own folly.

Janosky:
Revelation 1:1
"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass".

@ Matthew 12:15-18, Jesus said himself is a servant of whom?

LYING miscreant ,if you get liver Edit Revelation 1:1 in your Bible nau.

[b]Acts 2:33-36, Peter said God made Jesus Lord and Christ..

The God his Father made Jesus & sent Jesus His messenger angel, envoy.

Kiss the truth.