₦airaland Forum

Welcome, Guest: RegisterLoginWith GoogleTrendingRecentNew

Stats: 3,330,405 members, 8,445,349 topics. Date: Tuesday, 14 July 2026 at 09:11 PM

Toggle theme

Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN - Foreign Affairs (5) - Nairaland

Nairaland ForumNairaland GeneralPoliticsForeign AffairsElon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN (22810 Views)

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Reply (Go Down)

Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by MDK777: 3:23pm On Mar 02, 2025
African benefits is what matters to me in person
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by owagbeba: 3:25pm On Mar 02, 2025
happney65:
A country that kills members of the oppossition is not a rogue country? In terms of democratic norms and values Nigeria is even a better country that Russia

We can sit online and abuse Tinubu and our elected members office holders. Tell me if you can do that in russia. Tell me?

Some of you will just be supporting blindly

Haba!
Quite an interesting observation. If you permit me to use the term “opposition” broadly, I will list a few oppositions:

Martin Luther King (killed)
Robert F Kennedy (killed)

Gregory Lamar Nix ( jailed)
Nicholas Ochs (Jailed)
Robert Keith Packe (jailed)

Donald J. Trump ( judicial persecution)

More broadly,
Salvador Allende (killed)
Muamar Gaddaffi


We can even stretch this further by looking the persecution of nations just because they oppose US policy and influence, in many cases the US attempted assassination:
Cuba
Venezuela
Syria
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by jedisco(m): 3:31pm On Mar 02, 2025
givedemwotowoto:
I think the world is being led by weak men today! It's interesting that Hamas attacked Israel, but Israeli PM gets an arrest warrant for strongly defending his country in a war where nobody is checkmating the aggressor. The world no longer teaches people not to attack those who can beat them, the weak now take advantage of the strong.
Should we go back to when 'strong men' ruled the world and nations were colonised at will and people taken as slaves?
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by babat89: 3:35pm On Mar 02, 2025
omoredia:
This is not an alliance. This is a ripoff
E be like Nigerian tax reform situation.
🤣
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by Saga16: 3:36pm On Mar 02, 2025
Iweakbro:
True



What is the USA gaining from Ukraine? All the billions sent to him were used for what? The US owes $ 30 trillion giving out freebies, yet their citizens are over-taxed and don't get the best of everything.


The Europeans don't buy or use much of American goods, yet they export billions worth of Goods to the US. So, I ask again what is the US benefiting from being allied with leeches?

You and your fellow Islamic supporters are daft hypocrites—shifting goalposts at any slightest opportunity. You all were wailing about how the US was supporting Ukraine, and now, you are all shedding crocodile tears about the lack of further support?



You just showed your lack of basic education Mr. Head slammer. When you print so much money, inflation ensues...

The US has been the biggest contributor to NATO, the UN, and other agencies like URNWA and USAID. Other European countries are growing their economy with little to no pressure, yet the US places pressure on its taxpayers.

What does the US get in exchange? Entitled Islamists and Europeans who do little for them. If you look at history, different styles of government have been applied—and they either work or fail. So let's sit out Trump's style.

Calling him Putin's lapdog shows you're a dumb Muslim. What is the point of supporting Zelensky? When he can't use US weapons beyond kurks and Ukraine? His defeat will surely come, and that would mean the defeat of the US(if they keep supporting him). Trump is playing one of the smartest games here—alienating the US from the Impending defeat while also securing a mouthwatering minerals deal.



Another dumb naira lander. The US owes both domestic and foreign investors( majorly China and Japan) through financial assistance in exchange for treasury bonds and bills. This debt is being accrued by spending beyond revenues from taxes and other sources. Mind you, the US constantly pays interest on those bonds and bills. So what exactly do you mean by old stockpile?
You not only lack sense, you lack home training.

USA's donations to Ukraine is through their old stockpiles of munitions.
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by Enemyofpeace: 3:45pm On Mar 02, 2025
This man called Elon Mosque is always in the news for negative reasons
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by JuanDeDios: 3:47pm On Mar 02, 2025
madridguy:
48 laws of power is playing seriously here.

Majority of the European countries, relied too much on their friend " USA ". I think it is time rich countries like Germany go back to their drawing board.
Germany and Japan, given their long history of very aggressive behaviour, were basically neutered after WW2, and the world has been better for it. They're currently under the Nuclear Umbrella. Other countries (e.g., Australia, Canada, S Korea and NZ) have also not pursued nuclear weapons because they're covered by the Umbrella. If the US becomes isolationist and the likes of Germany and Japan become armed again, it's not a good thing for the world.
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by Winnin009: 3:50pm On Mar 02, 2025
happney65:
The World will be less safer. And rogue countries like Russia can wake up today and take over any country he likes.

There is a reason why there is NATO. The US and Western Europe coming from the effects of World War 1 and 2 swore never to allow mad people like Hilter behave anyhow again.

But it is unfortunate that in our life time,Another Hilter is almost here,together with the Russian stooge in the WH,the world just might be closer to World War 3

But some of you who just started reading the news yesterday,who are lovers of Dictators do not know which is which. You just follow the bandwagon here and there
Lol. Na even that bella-rus go suffer am pass. He go literally absorb them back just now.
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by xandy84: 3:53pm On Mar 02, 2025
Sorry, US is my country and I pay taxes that fund the government, which gives me the right to criticize government policies.







YoruBads:
Talk about your country Nigeria, what is it bringing to the table?

With a leader thst brought only pain, misery, insurgency, kidnapping, hunger etc to you, but you're busy advising US and EU, you don't have shame oooo
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by xandy84: 3:55pm On Mar 02, 2025
Youre absolutely right. Canada already knows she can't trust her southern neighbor and the talks of Canada joining EU now is on the table.











[quote author=CoronaVirusPro post=134363502][/quote]
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by givedemwotowoto(op): 3:56pm On Mar 02, 2025
xandy84:
Sorry, US is my country and I pay taxes that fund the government, which gives me the right to criticize government policies.
Rightly so, but are you happy with the amount of tax you pay because of these wars and “costly” bureaucracy? Are you happy the $36 Trillion debt and disappearing social security in your country?
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by JuanDeDios: 3:56pm On Mar 02, 2025
blaise26abj:
All of this na strategy . Trump is no fool . He knows that US has been funding NATO and other alliances more than other countries that benefit more . He is threatening to leave to force them to do more . Just watch as European countries rush to preserve the alliance and give concessions . Most of thir economies are struggling . They will not want to burden themselves with running NATO without US leadership.

Can anyone here tell me why russia has been labelled a bad country ? Is it the conditioning we have received by watching too many American movies that portray them as evil ? Besides they have not done 1/10th of what US has done in the world in terms of wars and toppling governments . So can someone remind me why they are bad ?
Any country has benefited more from NATO than the US? Which country? How?

You don't know why people perceive Russia as rogue/bad? Hmm.
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by Iweakbro: 4:00pm On Mar 02, 2025
Saga16:
You not only lack sense, you lack home training.

USA's donations to Ukraine is through their old stockpiles of munitions.
Okay, little kid. In your incoherent submission, you mentioned $30 b, yet what I quoted was a 30 trillion debt.

Further, besides the stockpile of weapons, US has offered grants and loans, of over $200b to Ukraine.

About the stockpile of weapons, it's not about the age, but by the range and destruction it offers. Take, for example, the precious storm shadow and ATACMS( cost $1.5m for one) which have been used to hit targets deep into Russia

What exactly is your point? If Nigeria stores grains for over 10 years and eventually hands them out to Ghana as aid, does it mean it costs Nigeria nothing to grow and store those grains over that time frame?
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by Backtodfusure: 4:00pm On Mar 02, 2025
The idiots (some being racists) who voted to bring down a world order that has guaranteed the safety, prosperity and standing of America on the world stage because they want cheaper eggs will surely regret this.

What a failure for a usually discerning electorate. So sad!
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by xandy84: 4:06pm On Mar 02, 2025
You sound like middle age mid western farmer who only watch Newmax and live on conspiracy theories until Trump cuts aids USAID and he has no buyer for his farm produces, and now facing bankruptcy due to not been able to make payment on loans that his farms stands as collateral.









givedemwotowoto:
Rightly so, but are you happy with the amount of tax you pay because of these wars and “costly” bureaucracy? Are you happy the $36 Trillion debt and disappearing social security in your country?
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by Backtodfusure: 4:11pm On Mar 02, 2025
I weep for Africa and the black world in general in the event (now likely) that this new world order begins.

We have no unity, zero leadership and no ability to defend ourselves while continuing to sit on a huge pile of raw resources coveted by those pushing for this new order.

If we thought colonialism by the Europeans was tough, we should now brace for impact for part 2 from these new guys. China go show us...
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by Saga16: 4:14pm On Mar 02, 2025
Iweakbro:
Okay, little kid. In your incoherent submission, you mentioned $30 b, yet what I quoted was a 30 trillion debt.

Further, besides the stockpile of weapons, US has offered grants and loans, of over $200b to Ukraine.

About the stockpile of weapons, it's not about the age, but by the range and destruction it offers. Take, for example, the precious storm shadow and ATACMS( cost $1.5m for one) which have been used to hit targets deep into Russia

What exactly is your point? If Nigeria stores grains for over 10 years and eventually hands them out to Ghana as aid, does it mean it costs Nigeria nothing to grow and store those grains over that time frame?
This one thinks he's in his local beer parlour.

Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by NGArmyTerrorist: 4:15pm On Mar 02, 2025
benuejosh:
The day Elon Musk will talk about Biafra...
You suddenly appeared again after herdsmen had dealt a great blow to your village in Benue State.
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by givedemwotowoto(op): 4:18pm On Mar 02, 2025
xandy84:
You sound like middle age mid western farmer who only watch Newmax and live on conspiracy theories until Trump cuts aids USAID and he has no buyer for his farm produces, and now facing bankruptcy due to not been able to make payment on loans that his farms stands as collateral.
And you’re an American but you don’t answer questions?
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by jaxxy(m): 4:20pm On Mar 02, 2025
Namaster:
grin
Very good!

FOOLS claimed to support the Felon because voting for Harris would be voting for WW3.

Let's see how they like it when the POTBELLIED fuccckwads get CONSCRIPTED to fight by a notorious draft-dodger.
I don't think the president alone can decide that and if he can then it's the presidents decision to make. Kamala may not leave Nato or UN but she will make worse decisions and very incompetent.
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by mfm04622: 4:22pm On Mar 02, 2025
blaise26abj:
Thanks for the points. However I had to come with proof that US had been ( before Trump )and still is one of the largest contributors to NATO.
Imagine the commitment that you must spend a certain percentage of your GDP on Defence and your GDP is as large as all of NATO members GDP combined .
2. It pales in comparison to what they spend on Defence. But you have a good point here .
3. They don’t have a choice but to support Ukraine but they just cannot do it effectively without US military hardware in NATO. Dont forget , US weapons is keeping Ukraine in the war. How much in hardware has European countries contributed ?
4.”It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal “ Henry Kissinger. I think who doesn’t fear America , friend or foe , is playing with fire
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by MadPolitician: 4:26pm On Mar 02, 2025
brownsugarvk:
You must be 10 years old... Stack nonentity
All these brainwashed Africans that don't know their left from their right.. Folks suffering from acute colonial mentality. Stockholm syndrome!?
I'm ready to take you on and lecture you on this. America has become a problem to the development of the developing world. That is a statement of fact. Open a thread free of insults and let's do it..
But you won't. That's because you are an emotional wreck. You think the world will end without the US. Yet the world has been here for millions of years before the US.
Get a grip..
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by mfm04622: 4:26pm On Mar 02, 2025
blaise26abj:
Thanks for the points. However I had to come with proof that US had been ( before Trump )and still is one of the largest contributors to NATO.
Imagine the commitment that you must spend a certain percentage of your GDP on Defence and your GDP is as large as all of NATO members GDP combined .
2. It pales in comparison to what they spend on Defence. But you have a good point here .
3. They don’t have a choice but to support Ukraine but they just cannot do it effectively without US military hardware in NATO. Dont forget , US weapons is keeping Ukraine in the war. How much in hardware has European countries contributed ?
4.”It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal “ Henry Kissinger. I think who doesn’t fear America , friend or foe , is playing with fire
Did you read what you posted?
US used to pay 22% of NATO running cost! Just 22%. Now, The US pays 16%, same as Germany!
3. It is ALL NATO weapons that have been keeping Ukraine in the war! Europe will continue to support Ukraine. Without the US, they will have to do more, it will be harder, but they will continue!
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by mfm04622: 4:28pm On Mar 02, 2025
Tolu2024:
If Ukraine is not a member of NATO why are they supporting Ukraine?

I don’t know if you were born when NATO invade Libya why can’t they do the same for Ukraine?
I am old! I may be old enough to be your father!

NATO invaded Libya under a UN charter! It means they were carrying out a UN order, not a NATO operation. There is no such charter for Ukraine because Russia keeps using her Veto power to prevent it!
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by franchasng: 4:36pm On Mar 02, 2025
happney65:
The World will be less safer. And rogue countries like Russia can wake up today and take over any country he likes.

There is a reason why there is NATO. The US and Western Europe coming from the effects of World War 1 and 2 swore never to allow mad people like Hilter behave anyhow again.

But it is unfortunate that in our life time,Another Hilter is almost here,together with the Russian stooge in the WH,the world just might be closer to World War 3

But some of you who just started reading the news yesterday,who are lovers of Dictators do not know which is which. You just follow the bandwagon here and there
Most of those ignorant Nigerians supporting Putin are Moslems who think siding for Hitler is a good way of hating America and Christians.



But unfortunately they don't know what they are doing.


The world ought to have come together to stop Hitler to forewarn other leaders like him who think they can attack any country they are more powerful than and get away with just because they have nuclear weapons.
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by prophetfire: 4:37pm On Mar 02, 2025
emmyclassic:
Europe made America and Europe can destroy it. Where was Russia when Germany was taking on the world in WW2 on its own for 5 years. Just because men calm down doesn’t mean they are weak. If the 5 power house of Europe team up they will smoke Russia and that America. Even Japan caught America sleeping on Pearl Harbour
Who taught you your own history please?
So you don't know the country that dealt with Germany the biggest blow in WW2?
If you don't know what the Russian red army did to secure victory for the allied forces during WW2, then better go and study.
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by franchasng: 4:42pm On Mar 02, 2025
naijaguy1234:
Europeans cannot fund NATO like the USA does but maybe it’s time they form an European army as people are already suggesting .

America forget when it needed support after 9/11 especially in invading Iraq, the saying then was an attack on one is an attack on all. You had a country like Canada then that had absolutely no business to be in Iraq but ended up sending thousands of troops to support America and a few met their death.
Elon Musk is misleading Donald Trump.


That was why when Ukraine President Zelensky reminded Trump and JD Vance at the Oval office that America might not feel the impact of allowing Russia get away with its invasion of Ukraine now but that America will feel it in future and Trump knowing he was saying the truth flared up and said don't tell us how we will feel in future. He knew Media will blow that statement up and use it to destroy his regime.



Trump is leading America astray, making stupid decisions bothering on saving money for American government as if America is a for-profit company that must make profit and avoid losses at all cost.



I am really disappointed in Trump
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by Chienex24(m): 4:43pm On Mar 02, 2025
uncleck:
Election has consequences. Because you want to put "America first" you are unknowingly destroying America beyond repair. Let me break it down.

America is the biggest beneficiary of both NATO and UN against what Trump would have you all to believe. Ellon Musk is one of the individuals that have benefited the most from the existence of NATO and UN. Let me explain

The existence of NATO only serves the interest of America because it ensures that they have access to enormous quantities of raw materials needed to run American economy and also the leverage to assert their military power. In the absence of NATO, America will be isolated and it's economy crippled.

Same as the UN. UN gives American the power to intimidate, bully and coarse any country of their choice. In the absence of both NATO and UN, America will hardly be able to find market for their products and raw materials for their industries.

In a free market economy, America cannot defeat China in export of any form. American diplomacy, all things being equal, cannot win Chinese and Russians.

If America exits NATO and UN, it will be a win for China, Russia and the world at large because they will lose the influence to force dollars on anyone. Russia will expand politically. China's trade will grow exponentially. American dominance, especially in trade and commerce, will come to an abrupt end.

In the absence of NATO, America won't be able to threaten, even countries like Nigeria, because you need a military base in close proximity to attack a country. NATO currently gives America that leverage.

In conclusion, the conversation about exiting NATO and UN is childish because, to start with, both organizations serve only the interest of America.

If America exits NATO and UN, and Europe decide to strengthen EU, EU will enjoy better trade relation with Russia
You are very wrong sir. America became very powerful without NATO and U.N. way before 1890. Europe has always been a war-mongering continent that dragged America into world war 1 and 2, and the tide changed during both wars because of America's presence, which saw them rise as world power. They channelled this power into NATO and U N to avoid future wars not the other way round. These countries have now grown their economy wland have refused to significantly contribute their quota to sustain the institutions. Do we think china would have developed this rapidly if Hitler had won? The whole world would probably be subject to his rule and be paying him taxes, just like the roman empire of old
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by mp3ree: 4:50pm On Mar 02, 2025
emmyclassic:
Europe made America and Europe can destroy it. Where was Russia when Germany was taking on the world in WW2 on its own for 5 years. Just because men calm down doesn’t mean they are weak. If the 5 power house of Europe team up they will smoke Russia and that America. Even Japan caught America sleeping on Pearl Harbour
Seems you're from another world? The so called 5 European power can not match russia military might, so stop deluding yourself. Why are they asking for America help?
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by franchasng: 4:52pm On Mar 02, 2025
prophetfire:
Who taught you your own history please?
So you don't know the country that dealt with Germany the biggest blow in WW2?
If you don't know what the Russian red army did to secure victory for the allied forces during WW2, then better go and study.
Go and sit down that person you quoted was saying the absolute truth.


Russia was able to penetrate Germany because a combined forces of the Allied Forces which included US, USSR (now Russia), Britain, France, Canada, Australia, Poland,etc already reduced German forces from different fronts.


If USSR alone faced Germany, Germany would have destroyed USSR and chased Stalin away in few weeks but Germany was fighting many countries on different fronts making it easier for USSR made up of 17 countries to push German forces back and then enter Germany with the support of other Eastern European countries like Poland, etc.




Europe remains the father of the whole world, don't argue what you don't know. They decided to calm down for peace to reign, most of the technologies the world is using today were all based on European invention and principles.


Who is Russia where Europe is? The only thing Putin is using to make noise and deter others is the nuclear weapon nothing more.


If not that the crop of Europeans we have today are more of cowards, they will damn the consequences and indulge Russia and disgrace Russia with all Putin's empty noise
Re: Elon Musk Publicly Supports Call For US To Exit NATO, UN by Peacecore: 4:52pm On Mar 02, 2025
israelmao:
Elon and Trump are people who like challenging norms and widely held assumptions for positive change.
US has been marked to fail hence their resolution to elect Trump again. Some of you praising him don't actually know the consequences of his actions on US mega power and some knows but chose to pretend.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Reply

Man Executed Publicly In Yemen After Murdering His 3 Daughters [Pics]2 Indonesian Women Publicly Whipped 100 Times Each For Sex WorkBrexit: United Kingdom To Exit The European Union On January 31234

Pictures Of London Riot Looters!Chechen Units Ready To Deploy To Iran In The Event Of US Ground Invasion: ReportRussia-Ukraine War: US re-opens Embassy In Kyiv Three Months After Closure