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NATO is a trouble-maker military organisation.

US leaving NATO will weaken her influence over the world.. consequence of Trump/Republican administration.. BUT that is what I want, I need a "multipolar world"

Fears of Russia overrunning Europe would end if she can make peace with Russia. Russia's power in world affairs would increase if this happens.

Kamala was right about one thing, she said Trump would hand Ukraine over to Putin. Which is quite true.

Kamala as president would have invaded Russia. There would have been world war. Trump's win averted the war.

But on the negative side.. After Trump is done, American's influence would be little with the way he is pulling out of every organisation.

But let them pull out of NATO, that's what I want.

Global politics is not your mate.

prophetfire:
You are twisting historical records.
The red army pushed German forces into a tight situation before the allied forces joined to finish it off.
At first Germany had the upper hand, even occupying some Soviet territories, before the Soviets regrouped and came for the final push that led to the end of the war.
If not for The Soviets and the US, Europe was gone.

Who are the Allied forces?


If you dont know about world war II history, please use Google.


To start with, Google countries that make up the Allied forces to enlighten yourself

US, USSR, Britain, France, Poland, Canada, etc makeup the Allied forces.



While Germany, Italy, Japan, and few others make up the Axis Force.


It took the combined effort of so many countries under Allied Forces to subdue Germany.


Meanwhile, remember that USSR now known as Russia was made up of 17 countries back then, so don't think Russia of today have the same might USSR had back then that Germany dealt big blow on them, occupied Soviet territories for months.

perfectsusanoo:
True sir.
The American dream is what it is - a dream. Truth is you must bend the knee and lose your sleep and soul to get It, it's always been an illusion.
The Chinese live better lives even without the total freedom shit.
It's refreshingly satisfying to have an intellectual discussion because it makes one open-minded and have another view spread out.
As for NATO and UN, I believe they were created to 'police' the weak and disgruntled nations to exert the dominance of a selectt few.
Imagine Germany being amongst the most developed countries on earth after all the atrocities commited by its predecessors, no African or South American country holds a candle to it till this day (Most probably forever).
That's why I rarely involve myself in African political discussion beçause I believe it is a game of Shepherds keeping a herd in check for its masters discretion.
My take though.

A game of shepherds keeping a herd in check for its masters discretion . Very interesting and apt description of our reality .

happney65:
The World will be less safer. And rogue countries like Russia can wake up today and take over any country he likes.

There is a reason why there is NATO. The US and Western Europe coming from the effects of World War 1 and 2 swore never to allow mad people like Hilter behave anyhow again.

But it is unfortunate that in our life time,Another Hilter is almost here,together with the Russian stooge in the WH,the world just might be closer to World War 3

But some of you who just started reading the news yesterday,who are lovers of Dictators do not know which is which. You just follow the bandwagon here and there

As if the USA haven't been taking over other nations under disguise of restoring peace and order lasting for several years.

The dictator is the convicted felon in power who dismantled DEI programs instituted in 1964 and set out to revoke birthright citizenship. Use your bloody sense for once rather than picking shzt crumbs.

happney65:
The World will be less safer. And rogue countries like Russia can wake up today and take over any country he likes.

There is a reason why there is NATO. The US and Western Europe coming from the effects of World War 1 and 2 swore never to allow mad people like Hilter behave anyhow again.

But it is unfortunate that in our life time,Another Hilter is almost here,together with the Russian stooge in the WH,the world just might be closer to World War 3

But some of you who just started reading the news yesterday,who are lovers of Dictators do not know which is which. You just follow the bandwagon here and there

This is what happens when you have
businessmen who have no sense of history
getting into power...

All they think about is profit 📈 & loss 📉

xandy84:
Trump, somehow makes America a joke of a country. A stable country never leave it allies to dry in public but because of revenge that he has against Zelenlesky, he would rather let Russia win. The point is everything the do until his term expires will be undone by next president but nobody will take this country serious then.

It didn't start today, he warned Europe in his first term that if they want US in NATO they should pay their own dues to NATO

US has a bigger fish to fry which is China

Finally!
America is ditching all form of parasitic allies, he is moving away from them and realigning the US with Russia. There is no NATO when no European member is paying their dues, Europe is a parasite on America and smart ppl know that, it's time to move

Chienex24:
You are very wrong sir. America became very powerful without NATO and U.N. way before 1890. Europe has always been a war-mongering continent that dragged America into world war 1 and 2, and the tide changed during both wars because of America's presence, which saw them rise as world power. They channelled this power into NATO and U N to avoid future wars not the other way round. These countries have now grown their economy wland have refused to significantly contribute their quota to sustain the institutions. Do we think china would have developed this rapidly if Hitler had won? The whole world would probably be subject to his rule and be paying him taxes, just like the roman empire of old

Leave history for me; I hold a degree in History. What I'm telling you is that the world is still currently a unipolar world where America calls the shot because it enjoys the cooperation of other advanced countries courtesy of the NATO and UN. If these organizations collapse, there will emerge a multipolar world where the United States will no longer call the shot. Like I said earlier, US is the biggest beneficiary of the NATO if not it would have admitted Russia into NATO when Russia demanded to join

Iweakbro:
True



What is the USA gaining from Ukraine? All the billions sent to him were used for what? The US owes $ 30 trillion giving out freebies, yet their citizens are over-taxed and don't get the best of everything.


The Europeans don't buy or use much of American goods, yet they export billions worth of Goods to the US. So, I ask again what is the US benefiting from being allied with leeches?

You and your fellow Islamic supporters are daft hypocrites—shifting goalposts at any slightest opportunity. You all were wailing about how the US was supporting Ukraine, and now, you are all shedding crocodile tears about the lack of further support?



You just showed your lack of basic education Mr. Head slammer. When you print so much money, inflation ensues...

The US has been the biggest contributor to NATO, the UN, and other agencies like URNWA and USAID. Other European countries are growing their economy with little to no pressure, yet the US places pressure on its taxpayers.

What does the US get in exchange? Entitled Islamists and Europeans who do little for them. If you look at history, different styles of government have been applied—and they either work or fail. So let's sit out Trump's style.

Calling him Putin's lapdog shows you're a dumb Muslim. What is the point of supporting Zelensky? When he can't use US weapons beyond kurks and Ukraine? His defeat will surely come, and that would mean the defeat of the US(if they keep supporting him). Trump is playing one of the smartest games here—alienating the US from the Impending defeat while also securing a mouthwatering minerals deal.



Another dumb naira lander. The US owes both domestic and foreign investors( majorly China and Japan) through financial assistance in exchange for treasury bonds and bills. This debt is being accrued by spending beyond revenues from taxes and other sources. Mind you, the US constantly pays interest on those bonds and bills. So what exactly do you mean by old stockpile?

One of the few here with a thinking brain. All those that are saying trump is pulling away from it's allies, I ask, what do they gain from the western alliance except paying and paying without appreciation.
America wants to move on and leave these parasites, after 4 years let's see how it pans out

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uncleck:
Election has consequences. Because you want to put "America first" you are unknowingly destroying America beyond repair. Let me break it down.

America is the biggest beneficiary of both NATO and UN against what Trump would have you all to believe. Ellon Musk is one of the individuals that have benefited the most from the existence of NATO and UN. Let me explain

The existence of NATO only serves the interest of America because it ensures that they have access to enormous quantities of raw materials needed to run American economy and also the leverage to assert their military power. In the absence of NATO, America will be isolated and it's economy crippled.

Same as the UN. UN gives American the power to intimidate, bully and coarse any country of their choice. In the absence of both NATO and UN, America will hardly be able to find market for their products and raw materials for their industries.

In a free market economy, America cannot defeat China in export of any form. American diplomacy, all things being equal, cannot win Chinese and Russians.

If America exits NATO and UN, it will be a win for China, Russia and the world at large because they will lose the influence to force dollars on anyone. Russia will expand politically. China's trade will grow exponentially. American dominance, especially in trade and commerce, will come to an abrupt end.

In the absence of NATO, America won't be able to threaten, even countries like Nigeria, because you need a military base in close proximity to attack a country. NATO currently gives America that leverage.

In conclusion, the conversation about exiting NATO and UN is childish because, to start with, both organizations serve only the interest of America.

If America exits NATO and UN, and Europe decide to strengthen EU, EU will enjoy better trade relation with Russia

Crap!

Iweakbro:
True



What is the USA gaining from Ukraine? All the billions sent to him were used for what? The US owes $ 30 trillion giving out freebies, yet their citizens are over-taxed and don't get the best of everything.


The Europeans don't buy or use much of American goods, yet they export billions worth of Goods to the US. So, I ask again what is the US benefiting from being allied with leeches?

You and your fellow Islamic supporters are daft hypocrites—shifting goalposts at any slightest opportunity. You all were wailing about how the US was supporting Ukraine, and now, you are all shedding crocodile tears about the lack of further support?



You just showed your lack of basic education Mr. Head slammer. When you print so much money, inflation ensues...

The US has been the biggest contributor to NATO, the UN, and other agencies like URNWA and USAID. Other European countries are growing their economy with little to no pressure, yet the US places pressure on its taxpayers.

What does the US get in exchange? Entitled Islamists and Europeans who do little for them. If you look at history, different styles of government have been applied—and they either work or fail. So let's sit out Trump's style.

Calling him Putin's lapdog shows you're a dumb Muslim. What is the point of supporting Zelensky? When he can't use US weapons beyond kurks and Ukraine? His defeat will surely come, and that would mean the defeat of the US(if they keep supporting him). Trump is playing one of the smartest games here—alienating the US from the Impending defeat while also securing a mouthwatering minerals deal.



Another dumb naira lander. The US owes both domestic and foreign investors( majorly China and Japan) through financial assistance in exchange for treasury bonds and bills. This debt is being accrued by spending beyond revenues from taxes and other sources. Mind you, the US constantly pays interest on those bonds and bills. So what exactly do you mean by old stockpile?

Well said. Nairaland these days is filled with children who know nothing about international affairs.

mp3ree:
Seems you're from another world? The so called 5 European power can not match russia military might, so stop deluding yourself. Why are they asking for America help?

They are not asking for help they want America’s money. America is Europe cash cow and that’s what America was created for. Don’t let your emotions get in the way only Germany would take on Russia they did it when Russia was the Soviet Union a larger than the present Russia now. There’s no technology made anywhere that can’t be made in Europe

blaise26abj:
A game of shepherds keeping a herd in check for its masters discretion . Very interesting and apt description of our reality .

Verily, the things we've got to live with.

Thoth02:
NATO is a trouble-maker military organisation.

US leaving NATO will weaken her influence over the world.. consequence of Trump/Republican administration.. BUT that is what I want, I need a "multipolar world"

Fears of Russia overrunning Europe would end if she can make peace with Russia. Russia's power in world affairs would increase if this happens.

Kamala was right about one thing, she said Trump would hand Ukraine over to Putin. Which is quite true.

Kamala as president would have invaded Russia. There would have been world war. Trump's win averted the war.

But on the negative side.. After Trump is done, American's influence would be little with the way he is pulling out of every organisation.

But let them pull out of NATO, that's what I want.

Global politics is not your mate.

On the good side side, Trump's administration is better for world peace but at the cost of America's global dominance.

givedemwotowoto:
I think the world is being led by weak men today! It's interesting that Hamas attacked Israel, but Israeli PM gets an arrest warrant for strongly defending his country in a war where nobody is checkmating the aggressor. The world no longer teaches people not to attack those who can beat them, the weak now take advantage of the strong.

Says brainwashed and terrorist supporters like you who don't know anything beside lies and spreading terrorism around the globe.

Thanks God , for the internet and phones that continue to expose your terrorist agenda while claiming victim after commiting atrocities,

The whole world has taken side, if you are not fine with that then, go ahead and kill all the people that support the truth , so that it will only remain you and your fellow terrorist and financiers.

happney65:
The World will be less safer. And rogue countries like Russia can wake up today and take over any country he likes.

There is a reason why there is NATO. The US and Western Europe coming from the effects of World War 1 and 2 swore never to allow mad people like Hilter behave anyhow again.

But it is unfortunate that in our life time,Another Hilter is almost here,together with the Russian stooge in the WH,the world just might be closer to World War 3

But some of you who just started reading the news yesterday,who are lovers of Dictators do not know which is which. You just follow the bandwagon here and there

NATO was created after WW2 because of Russia socialism expansion in order to contain it.. It's opposition of Warsaw pact that was led by defunct USSR while US led NATO since then till date.

IgOga:
The US created NATO....all Europe has been allowed along is a leach.....if the US withdraws all these we are sending men to Ukraine will change asap. What this mean is that if Russia attack these NATO countries the US will just stay out of it. Russia will roll them over...

US has the intelligence that help twart Russia moves in Ukraine in the early days....and even now US intelligence is what is keeping Russia at bay but slowly Ukrainians are being slaughtered and Russia retains about 20% of Ukraine land. That land is gone forever except a deal can be made

OK na. People WHO dont See Fürther than their noses.. Let me ASK u, If Russia now topples Ukraine and Rolls over Europe , what then becomesof your American?do U think America can then say pim where China and Russia are? Myopicvisions of Trump lovers..If what said ever Happens America IS finished..know dis n know Peace..

Tolu2024:
Russia has the right to resist NATO expansion as a clear and imminent threat, especially at its own borders. (How would we feel if Mexico joined the old Warsaw Pact?)

That’s what happens when you’re stupid enough to pick a fight with your powerful next door neighbour at the behest of a distant friend, you friend will always go back to his home and you’ll be left out to dry.

I asked again, have you heard that NATO invaded any part of Russia? If not for Russian's occupationists agenda, NATO wouldn't have expanded to this level. He was fighting Ukraine, while NATO has expanded. He fought Georgia in the name of protecting ethnic Russians, He fought Ukrainian, same they wanted to fight Lithuania, Lativia and Estonia, in the name of protecting ethnic Russians. Tell me an independent country that will sit idle and watch it's territory annexed by another strong and powerful neighbor. Same would've been happened in Moldova, If Russia succeeded in occupying Ukraine as planned in
three days.

blaise26abj:
All of this na strategy . Trump is no fool . He knows that US has been funding NATO and other alliances more than other countries that benefit more . He is threatening to leave to force them to do more . Just watch as European countries rush to preserve the alliance and give concessions . Most of thir economies are struggling . They will not want to burden themselves with running NATO without US leadership.

Can anyone here tell me why russia has been labelled a bad country ? Is it the conditioning we have received by watching too many American movies that portray them as evil ? Besides they have not done 1/10th of what US has done in the world in terms of wars and toppling governments . So can someone remind me why they are bad ?

Same question I always ask and yet no one to answer me.

Especially Africans hating Russia, history has it Russia haven't invaded any African countries b4. If there's any please educate me.

Simply because American ancestors called them enemies we all should accept that?

Mj4199:
Same question I always ask and yet no one to answer me.

Especially Africans hating Russia, history has it Russia haven't invaded any African countries b4. If there's any please educate me.

Simply because American ancestors called them enemies we all should accept that?

Ok because they haven't invaded Africa, they should invade, plunder and conquer it's neighbors, like they're doing to Ukraine and Georgia, so how is Africa better than those humans, that are victims of Russians criminàl expansionism.
What is the difference between what that empire is doing now and what Hitler, Soviet union did before.

givedemwotowoto:
Source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-publicly-supports-call-084016959.html

USA exiting NATO and UN is good riddance to bad rubbish.

The world does need to ask or beg them to stay

givedemwotowoto:
Source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-publicly-supports-call-084016959.html

US would be turn into North Korea- an OYO country.

igbosarejews:
I asked again, have you heard that NATO invaded any part of Russia? If not for Russian's occupationists agenda, NATO wouldn't have expanded to this level. He was fighting Ukraine, while NATO has expanded. He fought Georgia in the name of protecting ethnic Russians, He fought Ukrainian, same they wanted to fight Lithuania, Lativia and Estonia, in the name of protecting ethnic Russians. Tell me an independent country that will sit idle and watch it's territory annexed by another strong and powerful neighbor. Same would've been happened in Moldova, If Russia succeeded in occupying Ukraine as planned in
three days.

I guess you have bought the western media propaganda that Putin want to conquer Europe . But non of you want to ask “WHY”
And you forgot they have been living in peace until Ukraine decided to join NATO.

Tolu2024:
Ukraine can not win the war , even if god of war is on Dey side .

That’s not the point. I asked another thing and you’re answering another thing. Let me ask the question in a different way. What happens if Ukraine loses the war (or whatever) and years later, they use funds and arms they received during the war to start funding terr** groups that plan to attack other countries? Will that be US or NATO fault for supporting them during their war?

givedemwotowoto:
That’s not the point. I asked another thing and you’re answering another thing. Let me ask the question in a different way. What happens if Ukraine loses the war (or whatever) and years later, they use funds and arms they received during the war to start funding terr** groups that plan to attack other countries? Will that be US or NATO fault for supporting them during their war?

Definitely it suppose to be nato and USA fault but we all know how the hypocrisy of the west work. You can never blame them for anything. Look at Libya now an open market for arms dealers who fault it is?

Tolu2024:
I guess you have bought the western media propaganda that Putin want to conquer Europe . But non of you want to ask “WHY”
And you forgot they have been living in peace until Ukraine decided to join NATO.

Did Chechnya intend joining NATO before they where invaded by Russia in 2001, did Georgia intend joining NATO before they were invaded by Russia in 2008. Same as Ukraine in 2014 under president Peroshenko. Russia breached all the peace agreements, they signed with Ukraine in 2019.
Let me tell you. Russia invasions of Ukraine is because of its mineral resources.

perfectsusanoo:
True sir.
The American dream is what it is - a dream. Truth is you must bend the knee and lose your sleep and soul to get It, it's always been an illusion.
The Chinese live better lives even without the total freedom shit.
It's refreshingly satisfying to have an intellectual discussion because it makes one open-minded and have another view spread out.
As for NATO and UN, I believe they were created to 'police' the weak and disgruntled nations to exert the dominance of a selectt few.
Imagine Germany being amongst the most developed countries on earth after all the atrocities commited by its predecessors, no African or South American country holds a candle to it till this day (Most probably forever).
That's why I rarely involve myself in African political discussion beçause I believe it is a game of Shepherds keeping a herd in check for its masters discretion.
My take though.

Freedom is NOT shit....
The rich Chinese who have moved their kids to the four corners of the western world permanently understand this

Na Africans who are hungry and are star struck by "shine shine" sky scrapers and wide roads and light that makes such silly comments

igbosarejews:
Did Chechnya intend joining NATO before they where invaded by Russia in 2001, did Georgia intend joining NATO before they were invaded by Russia in 2008. Same as Ukraine in 2014 under president Peroshenko. Russia breached all the peace agreements, they signed with Ukraine in 2019.
Let me tell you. Russia invasions of Ukraine is because of its mineral resources.

Russia have more mineral resources than Ukraine if that your believe no need to argue with you , you believe whatever you see on CNN Russia is the bad guys .
And if we start playing blame game it will never end who is right or wrong.

NATO attacked Serbia in 1999 to stop ethnic cleansing and humanitarian suffering in Kosovo.

Russia accused Georgia of committing "genocide" and "aggression against South Ossetia"—and launched a full-scale land, air and sea invasion of Georgia.

So tell me the difference.

RodgersAkpafu:
Freedom is NOT shit....
The rich Chinese who have moved their kids to the four corners of the western world permanently understand this

Na Africans who are hungry and are star struck by "shine shine" sky scrapers and wide roads and light that makes such silly comments

Ok sir
To you be ýour opinion.