₦airaland Forum

Vinod007:
You people just argue anyhow and give opinions on what you don't understand or you understand and allow emotions affect your reasoning and utterances. For your information and knowledge, Abegunde's case happened in Ondo State. He was elected on the platform of Labour party when Mimiko of then Labour Party was governor. He had some disagreements with Mimiko and he later decamped to ACN. The Labour Party went to court and for about four years, they were on the case: from High Court, to Appeal Court and finally, the Supreme Court where his decamping was sanctioned as there were no enough division in Labour party to warrant his decamping. Throughout the four years, he was a legislator and no Governor forced him away from the chambers. He was only sacked by the Supreme Court about two months to the end of his four years. The grounds for defection are written in the constitution and grounds for sanctioning a defector is there. Only the courts can interprete it and the final say on it rests with the Supreme Court, just like in Abegunde's case; not a governor nor any other person or groups of persons.

This deviation from the truth isn't necessary. The case you cited and that of rivers were clear and different. There were political crises in rivers of course, contrary to the Abegunde's case you cited. Read the supreme court judgement on the rivers lawmakers very well,maybe you'd understand better.

They resigned, ceasing to be members of the PDP, though they didn't formally join the APC as there's no record of their joining the apc despite declaring for the apc in the media. Court uses evidence to adjudicate not media brouhaha. They're only pdp members by name. Can you leave an employer after tendering your resignation and still call yourself a bona fide staff of that company? If you say you're going to guiness Plc in your resignation letter for instance and Guinness is saying you're not their staff and this was affirmed in court's verdict, how's that your former employer's business? The fact is, you've left the company and can't come back, except the company chooses to re-absorb you cos your resignation letter is with the HR as evidence you've left and you also had an acknowledgement copy of the letter. It's that simple. Those letters will hook them in their throats, except fubara just wishes to take them back, which I doubt.

franugo:
Sure but money isn't really going to be an issue. Once he recognizes the martins led house, which he's already doing, FG should start remitting the state's funds to him again. He still has a lot of goodwill with the electorates, just has to play his card right to beat any impeachment move that might be brought against him and re-strategize for next election

I don't think Gov. Fubara has duly recognized the Martin led house. He is stalling till he gets the CTC of the SC judgement then we will know his true position.

Yes, it may appear that he has the good will of the people but let him focus on doing the job he was elected to do and do much more given the funds available to the State.

As far as I am concerned he yet to surpass even CRA and Wike within the time frame in view in projects.

There is no strategy for next elections because there are those who would pick up governorship forms and you know the Kalabari people are known for such and we don't know who else is out there that is formidable against him.

That's law and supreme.

franugo:
They did sworn affidavits and wrote resignation letters bro

Where is it

AndroBlaze:
Based on the current constitution and the way it is worded, I believe you are right

Fubara's biggest sin was never allowing the House to function once he started quarrelling with Wike. People are conveniently choosing to forget that he started fighting the House way before they announced they were decamping. This was his error. He violated the constitution then and when they announced they were decamping as a result, it was never going to be enough for learned Judges not to want to punish him for doing so in the first place..... and obviously Wike is a favourite to them so that helped too.

I don't understand what error you mean? His fight with them actually started when they, under the influence of Wike, decided to commence impeachment proceedings against him. And with the fact that the chief judge as at then was a core Wike loyalist, appointed by Wike himself, Fubara would never have survived that impeachment move by just watching proceedings. So that prompted him to make that move against the house (using his four men then) and also moving against the chief judge then. Any sitting governor would have done same thing he did to save himself

Those judges are drunkards!why will he not demolish house compromise by fire,are they saying d lawmakers are partyless?lawmakers can sit anywhere convenient to make law even inside forest.nonsense!!going by SC any laws pass by d lawmakers are still invalid since d HOS has not been rebuild.

AndroBlaze:
People are missing the most important part, where the Justices state clearly that only a valid House has the power to declare a seat vacant, not the courts, not Governors.

As far as I am concerned, they just need to remove this rubbish of declaring a seat vacant because you moved to another party, it doesn't affect the Executive, it doesn't happen in UK, it doesn't happen in USA...it just pute rubbish IMO and a waste of everybody's time.

Lol
So what about the seats that have been declared vacant by the courts previously

Wutinky:
Using Tinubu to destroy our judiciary is what you call ... we told them? you guys will definitely pay for this evil ... Nigerians are watching you and your people

in your own heart
do you think a State budget can be passed by 4 out of 31 members of the state house of assembly ?
Be honest?

Do you think those the other 27 members were representing aren't Nigerians?

SendoSendal:
The building of the House of Assembly was already demolished by Fubara before the purported decamping of the law makers. That action angered the Supreme Court judges and they decided to punish Fubara for it.

I understand that. I'm only harping on the law makers defection, which will be decided at the party level..the mata never finish. The Court is already aware of the case. Before you can say you're leaving a party, there must have been crises ongoing, right? Though demolition was one of the reasons they claimed, fubara stated the reason for doing this even though you and I know it's politically motivated lol. Remember the edo's lawmakers case under obaseki? The rivers law makers said they're leaving and sent a letter to the governor, duly signed. That's a sure evidence to nail them. Let's see what happens in coming days.

Okpebholo1:
Where is it

Watch the video bro, martins was reading the letters


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uX-E3yxvs0?si=AnJqw5OfXJ8yqwzL

Kewtt:
you don't have to be moronic, has the PDP ward levels said anything otherwise? or PDP National?

The moment they've been waiting for is finally here, (which is the SP judgement) before acting. They couldn't do anything when the case was still in court.

You don't have to sound absurd or insulting when commenting. Nobody is an island of knowledge and that's my problem with you guys. Comment intelligently and in civility. Nobody is dragging anything with anybody here, neither is anyone dragging your bread with you.

APC court of appeal has spoken, so it is when you have your name registered in their book of death and you attend their occultist meeting is when you are validate as a member, even if you show valid swarn in affidavit from court does not count.

Ojuntana:
I thought they reserved judgement on the matter of defection according to what was reported
What is more amusing is Agim declaring that the courts don't have the power to declare seats vacant
Abegunde must be shitting bricks wherever he is now
Agim is not bright I regret to say. The constitution clearly says a member lose his seat when he defects and the attention of the speaker is called to his defection via evidence
Their defection notices were read on the floor of the House
Agim is summarily saying you can defect as long as your name is not in another party. In other words, independent caucus is allowed in the House

Hahahahaha..... I wanted to say something but I will reserve my comments.
However, for someone who is an activist Judge that preaches a lot of morality in our political system to say this, my mouth

franugo:
Watch the video bro, martins was reading the letters


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uX-E3yxvs0?si=AnJqw5OfXJ8yqwzL

Was it brought to court sir? This case is purely about documentary or written evidence

Ok

The court has now become a theatre of confusion

When judges are exes or current gfs of these politicians

Like we don't even know how we want to run our country at this point in time

Even though the mata never finish, as far as defection of those 27 lawmakers is concerned, the mata don finish. If you read the Certified True Copy of that judgement very carefully, you will see that the matter has been concluded. When they say, "if you must approach equity, you must do so with clean hands", this is what it means. Fubara already soiled his hands by demolishing the house of Assembly building. He cannot get any favourable judgement at the supreme court on this issues. The Supreme Court deliberately punished him. Even when you are reading the Certified True Copy of the judgement, you will feel the anger of the judges in their writing.

Eriokanmi:
I understand that. I'm only harping on the law makers defection, which will be decided at the party level..the mata never finish. The Court is already aware of the case. Before you can say you're leaving a party, there must have been crises ongoing, right? Though demolition was one of the reasons they claimed, fubara stated the reason for doing this even though you and I know it's politically motivated lol. Remember the edo's lawmakers case under obaseki? The rivers law makers said they're leaving and sent a letter to the governor, duly signed. That's a sure evidence to nail them. Let's see what happens in coming days.

Racoon:
Black is white and white is black in Nigeria. Always legalising illegalities. The courts will go down in infamy.

What's your own judgement, please?

fergie001:
Hahahahaha..... I wanted to say something but I will reserve my comments.
However, for someone who is an activist Judge that preaches a lot of morality in our political system to say this, my mouth

He never said courts do not have powers to declare seats vacant. That power primarily belongs to the legislature, courts only act as var

zero8zero:
You don't even have to be a justice of the supreme court or even a lawyer to know that the allegation of defection was watery. We said it here many times that there are no concrete proofs to their defection.
My Lord Justices also said Fubara had already collapsed the house of Assembly which is a fundamental point of the case that many layman did not see. These judges are very intelligent and highly skilled in their profession. I could recall that Rivers State House of Assembly ceased to exist the very day Gov Fubara set the building on fire. Therefore you can be said to have defected in a house that does not exist. Amazing judgement.

Fubara set the house on fire! What kind of weed are some of you trying to smoke?

XXXOGBA:
God Bless Rivers State, South South and Nigeria.

C'mon Shatap

drstranged:
I don't understand what error you mean? His fight with them actually started when they, under the influence of Wike, decided to commence impeachment proceedings against him. And with the fact that the chief judge as at then was a core Wike loyalist, appointed by Wike himself, Fubara would never have survived that impeachment move by just watching proceedings. So that prompted him to make that move against the house (using his four men then) and also moving against the chief judge then. Any sitting governor would have done same thing he did to save himself

God bless you for standing for truth, i think a lot of people have forgotten what prompt Fubara to voice out and start fighting back, this country is never going to work, he even came on tv to ask those 27 Assembly what he did wrong to deserve impeachment, this is pure injustice and evil, Nigeria is not a country but crime scene, we know the region who is behind all this because of 2027 presidential election

Christistruth02:
in your own heart
do you think a State budget can be passed by 4 out of 31 members of the state house of assembly ?
Be honest?

Do you think those the other 27 members were representing aren't Nigerians?

They decamped, case close, those of you from that part of region will definitely pay the price, Nigeria is not Lagos where the drug baron rain havoc as he wishes and go scot-free

The problem of this country is judiciary.

EXOUSIAng:
Show us in the constitution where an affidavit is the requirements for joining a political party or resignation from a political party.
Their names are still in the PDP register.

Or should I go to court and swear affidavit that I own your father's house and then kick everyone out?

Resignation letter
And application letter is what the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria recognizes as the procedure for leaving a party and joining a party respectively.
Affidavit can not work.
Affidavit doesn't work for every aspect of law.
The law makers know that. The affidavit was a plan B. Every politician including Fubara knows how he joined his party, he knows he didn't join by swearing affidavit.
It has never been heard that someone joined a political party by swearing affidavit....

What the governor should have done was to get the state executive of the party to suspend them for anti party activities.
That will make then move to APC via the due process then you can now hit them.
Fubara was puting the cart before the horse...

Young man, get knowledge understand the law and stop jumping around making noise because others ignorant fools are.

Stop playing yourself for a fool..

Just say the 27 guys saw that legal lacuna and latched on it.

Simple.


They announced their defection at the house,
They wrote resignation letters.
They swore affidavits,
They were received by APC chairman who announced them as his new members.
Wike said they didn't tell him if not he would have told them not to defect.


In addition they started by claiming that they defected because there was a division at the party and cited the case between Anyanwu and Okoye.

Going by the way politicians have always defected in this country,
YES THEY LEFT PDP.

I might not say that they joined APC but I can tell you authoritatively that they left PDP.
Of cause they are latching on all the lacunas but only a fool would argue that they did not leave PDP.


As for the sworn affidavit, I have always insisted that that one is not enough to prove their defection but it is more than enough to land them in Prison..

If this was a working country even though they have gotten away with the defection case, they would never have dodged going to prison...

If this was a working country..

Dawn91:
What surprises me is the way these Yoruba and ibo pigs put mouth in River state matter ehn .

See the pigs all over the front page praising the court judgment. these barbaric pigs won't face their ekiti or Lagos state where their speaker was impeached and reinstated illegally o.

Or they won't face the unknown gunmen killing People in the Akpu munchers Republic .

Two cursed tribes that have no shame or dignity.

Rivers state is predominantly Igbo

Believeintruth:
C'mon Shatap

You again.
Eyen Isoma. You missed me?

fergie001:
Hahahahaha..... I wanted to say something but I will reserve my comments.
However, for someone who is an activist Judge that preaches a lot of morality in our political system to say this, my mouth

This is the second SC case law and precedent just trashed by this particular SC and both are on very shady grounds
It's a shame

MXrep:
Rivers state is predominantly Igbo

Lie. We are not Igbos.

We never had a Supreme Court since the day Justice Walter Onnoghen was ousted by the Buhari Cabal in a coup.
What we have now are nothing but clowns in the pockets of politicians

This is confusion at its peak, different rulings on similar cases with this ruling any lawmaker can defect ,Supreme Court is rewriting our Constitution for us,only a Speaker can declare a seat vacant,it is well...

Mynd44:
This has rendered whatever is coming from the high court useless.

Those assembly members by word of mouth alone cannot be said to be APC members, they have not registered to have joined APC neither is their names in the APC register or collected APC membership cards

So cross carpeting is now allowed. Good