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StillDtruth:
See your fallacious and reverse argument. This clearly proves that you are Lying

Liars can never argue straight forwardly but must always commit fallacies.

Hebrews 1 Says angels worship Him.

No where do you see angels worship Archangel Michael which is what I said and you are supposed to counter if Truth is on your side.

Looool

GothamCities:
Rather, there's no verse in support of Jesus being Michael. Thanks for your time.

Just as there is no verse that supported many Archangels.
Now we are progressing!

MaxInDHouse:
Have you ever seen a verse that says in plain words "Jesus is the word of God"?

Please quote it because that's the same character both of us are talking about the title "word of God" remains anonymous until we start to apply other scriptures to it just as Michael is applied to a human and Archangel!

Jehovah's Witnesses hypocrisy

have you ever seen a verse that says in plain words "Jesus is the word of God

Rephrase the question....

have you ever seen a verse that says in plain words "Jesus is Archangel Michael?

The basis for the first question is closest to the truth than the letter. You need to do a lot of mental gymnastics to arrive at Jesus is Archangel Michael than Jesus is the word of God

MaxInDHouse:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. Revelations 19:13

The name "JESUS" is not mentioned in either of the two verses nah?

What i asked you is a verse that says in plain words "Jesus is the word of God"

Hanged

The way out is to keep asking your dead question.

Iwillbeback:
Why is Christ the angel of the Lord ?

Therefore in light of the three points above, the Angel of the Lord has to be Christ.

Thank you all for reading

Jesus is the ANGEL of God!

cornelboy:
Nice nice

Your fellow community brother in being worst fools has no verse that says Jesus is Archangel Michael

MaxInDHouse:
We all agreed that Jesus is the character known as the "WORD of God" in the Bible not because there is any scripture that explicitly say so but after comparing other scriptures.
So why can't we do the same when it comes to the angel who never spoke to any human for once throughout the scriptures rather anytime his name is mentioned he always speak with other angels like God's representative.
This is the same angel who was going ahead of the Israelites as representative of God! Exodus 13:21; 14:19
And according to the scriptures he is the commander in chief of all heavenly armies.
It's only when he became human that he first spoke directly to humans claiming he is God's representative! John 5:30
The only problem they have is TRINITY apart from that nothing stops any right thinking person from grasping that Jesus is the Archangel Michael!

Fraud number 1 and 2 is the bold. Agree with churchgoers or false Christians in your madness and insanities peddling brains.

Fraud number 2

John 1: and Revelation 19 read in content and context clearly identify Jesus being the WORD of God.

Emusan:
Yes! This is Jesus because He is The WORD.

Do you disagree?



because Jesus is not an Angel that is why He has always been addressed separately with His unique Identity which even His critics can't reject why Bible will always use the word "Angel" anywhere is talking about Angelic Being.

For instance, in Rev 19 verse 11 started with the One Riding the Horse with HEAVENLY ARMIES.

In verse 17 we read "Then I saw AN ANGEL..."

In fact, the book of revelation is the one Jesus could've been directly called Angel yet no where such word ever applied to Him because He is the King of kings and the Lord of lords the Almighty God.



I'm openly saying Jesus is not Angel Michael because no verse ever say that.

Now, the challenge is for you to just openly say Jesus is not THE WORD

Na the last bold go tighten the rope finish

Now, the challenge is for you to just openly say Jesus is not THE WORD

MaxInDHouse e so pe

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus/Michael

*Always represents the true God. Exodus 13:21; 14:19
*Standing for the salvation of obedient mankind. Daniel 12:1; Matthew 20:28
*Voice that will raise the dead! John 5:28-29; Thessalonians 4:16
*Lead all heavenly army. Matthew 25:31; Revelations 12:7

Fraud

GothamCities:
Then let it start from you.

Give me a direct word for word quotation from the Bible that says "Jesus is angel Michael "

Simple

cornelboy:
That why i always ask them what was Jesus identity before coming to earth.
It was when he came to earth he got the name "Jesus".

So what was his name before then?

In the beginning was the WORD No where was it ever said in the beginning was ANGEL MICHEAL

Join your committee of worst fools in peddling lies and manipulations packed into your brains

Gabrielshow24:
The point you raised above is spot on!
I have indeed asked them a similar question myself🤔 whether or not Jesus was a fan? 🤨After all, one in a certain place records of him coming with a fan.

A question to this day, they have not provided an answer to!!!

Simple semantics will make you see that "coming with" doesn't equate you with that thing🤨.

Or by someone coming with phone, suddenly equates one to a phone🤔?

Another point, I enjoy is when you raised up the known fact that "Michael is one of the archangels🤨" something to this day, Max and his colleagues have failed to reconcile to the rest of scripture!!!

In some cases, you will find Max blabbing about "first set" 🤔.
When probed further, you will find his "first set" theory - primus conventus - rather implausible as its implications are rather unfortunate!!!

All, I can see is that some men had a preconceived notion of Christ being an Angel - A conclusion, from which they worked backwards to find corroborating premises, neglecting others that "do not fit".

There's little to no difference between them and Muslims, Muslims likewise read the bible from the lens of a preconceived conclusion!!!

Eisegesis instead Exegesis

GothamCities:
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Gbam!

You have summarized them at the bolded. Honestly, you nailed it even further by juxtaposing them with Muslims. I have always noticed these similarities. They will ignore all other Scriptures no matter how solid, and hold on to very few Scripture verses they have misinterpreted.

I have asked them many questions my brother. No single answer. Only a weak allusion to another Scripture somewhere already turned upside down by them. Few of the questions are here below:

1. Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life - Is an angel the resurrection and life of anyone? No answer.

2. Jesus is the Bread of Life, the very source of Life- Is an angel the source of your life? No answer.

3. Jesus is the Light Himself. All angels are called Angels of Light, not the Light- Does this make Jesus look like an angel to you? No answer.

4. In Revelation 1:17-18, Jesus referred to Himself as "I am the First and the Last, the One who lived and was dead, and is alive forevermore." If you say the person speaking here is God the Father, you're wrong because God the Father was never dead or resurrected. If you say the person speaking here is angel Michael,, you're wrong again because Angel Michael cannot be the First and the Last. The only conclusion here is that Jesus is the One who died and rose again, and if He's the First and Last, He's definitely God - Now, counter me. No response. Janosky kept barking Revelation 1:1. Maxindhouse feigned deaf and blind.

5. Hebrews 1:1-3 called Jesus the Brightness of God's Glory and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON. If only they understand that God's Glory is God Himself. When Moses told God "I want to see you." God replied, "This is how you will see me. My Glory will pass before you..." Christ is God's Glory and Express Image. Does that sound like an angel to the JWs? Till today, they've kept mute about Hebrews 1:1-3 .

There are several other questions I have asked them to which they have not provided a single answer. No single answer except to be abusing people and be quoting words from a different verse they don't don't understand.

I'm hope Maxindhouse and the empty JW miscreant, Janosky will call themselves to order this time around and be men enough to answer the questions posed to them above.

The religious organization they belong must be defended at all cost.

achorladey:
The religious organization they belong must be defended at all cost.

That's it bro. They close their eyes and defend falsehood with all their might.

MaxInDHouse:
Just as there is no verse that supported many Archangels.
Now we are progressing!

You know where the problem lies?

Many extrabiblical texts support the notion of the existence of several archangels but none support the Jesus is Michael nonesense.

You have no basis for that Jesus is Michael assertion in both canonical and non canonical documents.

As I said earlier, the Bible is not about Angels. So not much is mentioned about them. But the Bible is about Jesus and no single sentence says Jesus is angel Michael.

MaxInDHouse:
The links are here:

https://www.scribd.com/document/477783606/The-pagan-origin-of-trinity

https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/pagan-roots-of-the-trinity-doctrine-ed-torrence-2002

https://www.ucg.org/learn/bible-study-aids/god-trinity/god-trinity/how-ancient-trinitarian-gods-influenced-adoption

https://www.quora.com/Is-Trinity-a-pagan-concept-If-so-where-does-that-leave-Christianity

Anybody can write anything on any blogs. These articles are academically worthless. They don't replace the contributions of people like Athanasius, Origen, and the rest who had debates about the personality of Jesus and the rest. The scholarly volumes written in the wake nineteenth centuries and the reviews much earlier than that do not contain the gibberish of modern, faceless authors.

GothamCities:
Many EXTRABIBLICAL texts.

This is where the problem lies because i will never reason with what is not found written in the Bible!

MightySparrow:
Anybody can write anything on any blogs.

And anybody can believe it.

Thanks!

MaxInDHouse:
This is where the problem lies because i will never reason with what is not found written in the Bible!

But you already did. Jesus is Michael is not found in the Bible!

GothamCities:
But you already did. Jesus is Michael is not found in the Bible!

I reasoned with what the Bible says about the WORD of God, Archangel Michael and Jesus Christ the three have a lot in common!

Most of you will only rush to threads that someone speaks against Jehovah's Witnesses.
Here is an opportunity for you to defend your beliefs:

https://www.nairaland.com/8360201/jesus-lied

Because by the time i speak with him and he begin to reason with the truth you people will start crying o!

MaxInDHouse:
I reasoned with what the Bible says about the WORD of God, Archangel Michael and Jesus Christ the three have a lot in common!

The Bible didn't say they have many things common, neither did the Bible make any direct or indirect statements about Jesus being Angel Michael but the Bible made numerous indirect statements about Jesus being God.

You rejected the indirect statements and engraved your own faulty reasonings.

GothamCities:
The Bible didn't say they have many things common, neither did the Bible make any direct or indirect statements about Jesus being Angel Michael but the Bible made numerous indirect statements about Jesus being God.

You rejected the indirect statements and engraved your own faulty reasonings.

Correlation doesn't mean causation 👀.

Simple reasoning shows minute dissimilarities between Jesus and Michael.

One being the fact that Michael was a warrior in heaven, if he then came to Earth being Jesus(as they claim👀) to preach peace🤔 - which begs the question why didn't he turn the left cheek in heaven?

This result in a grave contradiction in character after all God doesn't change🤨, he is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow.

And if indeed Jesus is Michael then he becomes nothing more but an hypocrite 🤔 - a concept which is not possible with the biblical Jesus! 🥲

The other slight difference which his reasoning failed to accommodate, is the fact that all depictions of angels in the bible revolved around them wielding a sword in their hands🤔 whereas in the case of Jesus, his sword is rather in his mouth🤨.

Along with other small cues!
Don't waste your time with him, he never learns.

You can even show him a simple statement A => B; I bet you by the time you converse, you will see it has turned to A => C.

Which begs another question, how dumb do you need to be inorder to become a "JEHOVAH's witness"? 🤨

Gabrielshow24:
Correlation doesn't mean causation 👀.

Simple reasoning shows minute dissimilarities between Jesus and Michael.

One being the fact that Michael was a warrior in heaven, if he then came to Earth being Jesus(as they claim👀) to preach peace🤔 - which begs the question why didn't he turn the left cheek in heaven?

This result in a grave contradiction in character after all God doesn't change🤨, he is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow.

Succinct! Maxindhouse, come and learn!

And if indeed Jesus is Michael then he becomes nothing more but an hypocrite 🤔 - a concept which is not possible with the biblical Jesus! 🥲

Hey Max, is Jesus really an hypocrite as you have depicted Him? I really want an answer!

The other slight difference which his reasoning failed to accommodate, is the fact that all depictions of angels in the bible revolved around them wielding a sword in their hands🤔 whereas in the case of Jesus, his sword is rather in his mouth🤨.

Along with other small cues!
Don't waste your time with him, he never learns.

You can even show him a simple statement A => B; I bet you by the time you converse, you will see it has turned to A => C.

Which begs another question, how dumb do you need to be inorder to become a "JEHOVAH's witness"? 🤨

Honestly, I'm baffled by the way he reasons. Not him alone. All of them in that cult but his own is on another level.

How can you tell Max that correlation doesn't mean causation, when his logic is as rudimentary as that of miscreant janosky who says since Jesus was a Messenger of God, then He is Angel Michael. How can a full grown adult reason like that?

GothamCities:
The Bible didn't say they have many things common, neither did the Bible make any direct or indirect statements about Jesus being Angel Michael but the Bible made numerous indirect statements about Jesus being God.
You rejected the indirect statements and engraved your own faulty reasonings.

Your personal opinion!

MaxInDHouse:
Your personal opinion!

No, use the Bible to prove me wrong!

GothamCities:
No, use the Bible to prove me wrong!

Everyone here has proved you wrong!

It's because you are spiritually deaf but let me enlighten you.

The RIGHT scriptural doctrine should help all of you to agree as one without having contradicting teachings but as it is all of you can't agree to worship in the same place, each of you is facing different direction it's only against Jehovah's Witnesses that you all agree to criticize.

For instance the OP is not a JW but one of your Pentecostal people yet he said Jesus is the ANGEL of the LORD!

MaxInDHouse:
This is where the problem lies because i will never reason with what is not found written in the Bible!

The favourite Jehovah’s witnesses line to deceive those not knowledgeable about their doctrines

1914 is written in the Bible and found in the Bible. Archangel Michael is Jesus is not written in the Bible and you are here discussing it

GothamCities:
That's it bro. They close their eyes and defend falsehood with all their might.

I don follow them do am before not anymore. The dangerous aspect of their own is a member will readily see that he is lying and what he is teaching is not biblical rather than admit he will glorify some set of men living in USA called Governing Body over what the scripture says. That's idolatry.

achorladey:
I don follow them do am before not anymore. The dangerous aspect of their own is a member will readily see that he is lying and what he is teaching is not biblical rather than admit he will glorify some set of men living in USA called Governing Body over what the scripture says. That's idolatry.

Hmm.

MaxInDHouse:
Everyone here has proved you wrong!

It's because you are spiritually deaf but let me enlighten you.

The RIGHT scriptural doctrine should help all of you to agree as one without having contradicting teachings but as it is all of you can't agree to worship in the same place, each of you is facing different direction it's only against Jehovah's Witnesses that you all agree to criticize.

For instance the OP is not a JW but one of your Pentecostal people yet he said Jesus is the ANGEL of the LORD!

Even after turning deaf and blind to the questions I asked you, you still talk all these gibberish?

You're a serious case.

GothamCities:
Even after turning deaf and blind to the questions I asked you, you still talk all these gibberish?
You're a serious case.

Surely a serious case to unbelievers who enjoys contradictions but to those who wants to enjoy oneness in thought and reasonableness that binds worshipers together ọmọ i'm a blessing!