₦airaland Forum

GreenandGold:
Oh well, it didn't need to get to the cutting of aid, I mean there's a lot of negative consequences that could happen, including social instabilities, crashing of economies, population explosions, new internal conflicts starting because there's a sudden shortage of food, medicine and educational opportunities that came with the aid... This is literally what a bad-faith player like Russia could exploit.

Aid could secure some kind of stability for resource extraction for Europe especially if this world war goes fully hot, doing otherwise would give Russia and China an easy cheap buy from African countries tearing themselves apart.

Ain’t nobody in Africa outside of maybe Egypt & Sudan getting involved directly in WW3. Africans should be positioning themselves in the chaos to negotiate better deals within and outside of the continent and consuming superior political leverage as “EURASIAN” countries are tearing themselves apart.

AskiaHarem:
Ain’t nobody in Africa outside of maybe Egypt & Sudan getting involved directly in WW3. Africans should be positioning themselves in the chaos to negotiate better deals within and outside of the continent and consuming superior political leverage as “EURASIAN” countries are tearing themselves apart.

GreenandGold:
You'll be surprised, a world war is unscripted, a lot happens... European wars have a tendency of spilling over to Africa, especially down south... The Napoleonic Wars literally created the modern southern Africa, WW1 made South Africa invade and colonise Namibia for almost 80 years, that's even longer than Germany did.

You cannot negotiate for better deals while tearing apart... Islamists, separatists and tribalists would definitely seize the opportunity and without a foreign power to keep them in check, we'll be fighting to keep internal peace and resources would be sold by whatever militia is controlling them at that time.

AskiaHarem:
The previous World Wars only spread to Africa because it was under direct control of European Colonial Empires or White Colonists. Very few modern African people Civilian or Government care about European Tribalism to get involved. Neither do they have any major incentive too.

There are currently no Islamist, separatist, or tribalist being “kept in check” by Westerners. These days it’s mostly African boots on the ground with moderate outside funding.

While EURASIA is tearing itself apart via World War Three; Africa being left alone relatively speaking should be redefining itself within its borders and abroad. Africa could take advantage of the need for various precious materials, resources, and goods on more favorable terms. Might even be able to usurp & take over certain Industries under threat if not completely destroyed by a hypothetical WW3.

By “Africa” I obviously mean the larger regional powers and smaller stable Republics.

GreenandGold:
Being "left alone" during a world war is impossible, everyone will suffer direct or indirect consequences. I'll put up a simple scenario, a war starts in Europe, fertiliser goes through the roof affecting the ability to produce food, shortages will occur, and guess what will happen? Social unrests, blame them on the president and his ethnic group, separatists will take hold, internal wars begin..... and that's just one scenario, I haven't added in China, and the USA and the Middle East doing their separate things.

In a world war, I see a million ways even a country like Nigeria could tear itself apart.... and yes, external powers are keeping a lot of African countries together either via military assistance, trade or aid.

AskiaHarem:
Being “left alone” and feeling the consequences aren’t the same thing. Of course the economic ramifications will be felt but that’s when you pull yourself up by the boot straps. Hypothetically it’s possible for your scenario to happen in 2 or 3 desolate countries but the continent? Nah. Even so I doubt these rebels will have any allegiances to any of the main actors. The fertilizer hike has already happened before and nothing remotely close to that happened matter of fact places like Nigeria started heavily investing in its own production.

No external powers are keeping African countries “held together” by those means outside of a handful of countries who have debatably already “collapsed”.

The Middle East is a non-factor here from the African perspective; we don’t get much of anything from them that can’t be produced at home. As for Europe yea it would definitely be some burn there but these days most African imports largely comes from North America & China which I don’t see getting catastrophically bombarded to the point it significantly shuts them down in terms of conventional warfare. We also share no significant intersecting trade routes or alliances between the two so I doubt our shipping will be halted. Sure Chinese mainland military installations will be hit by targeted bombing Campaigns and there Navy pummeled in the Pacific but I don’t see most of there crucial commercial ships bound for Africa being blasted out of the Indian Ocean.

It’s to my belief WW3 devastation will be largely contained to Europe, The Middle East; possibly South Asia, and the Pacific.

Naija gone be alright…

andrewza:
some nice pics of the south african IPV

GreenandGold:
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andrewza:
Sorry but africa and i mean every african counntry even south africa that so far south with a much more mature and advanced econmy will be effected heavily by a WW3 event. Some countries may endure it better than others but i dont think nigeria will be one of those. Here is why i think that.

Goverment budget
The nnigerian goverment budget is heavily realint on trade of crude oil. I am not talking econmy here but the budget the goverment uses to run the country. With a sudden loss of trade partners and market crash could cause the Nigerian goverment to collapse

The federal and tribal nature of Nigeria
Nigera breaking up does not even need to be a major collapse of the country. It could simply be easier to maintain control over smaller areas. So there could be a central goverment in power but it is in name only with each region being it's own thing. Aka a central goverment so weak it is pointless

Loss of critical trade. Nigeria industry is to small to sustain the country. Most cars in Nigeria for example are 2nd hand imports or cars assmbled in country. Nigeria actual Automotive industry being small and still importing a lot of parts. Even area that you think are ok are not with Nigeria still importing a lot of it's refined fuel

So yes i can very much see WW3 leading to a end of Nigeria as a country. Though this is all so depndent on the leader ship. A good leader could keep the country together but it is not a sure thing for any african country. Even South africa could collapse a lot of our industries are depndet on a market to trade with. Africa is all so poorly set up to trade with each other. at least over distance. South africa for example does not have a large oil supply but can refine oil but there no pipe lines from Angola or Nigeria to our refinery so it would have to be ship going back and forth and there no major African shipping company.

So yes ww3 will lead to a end of every african country as we under stand. Now African countries could reform and rebuild so Nigeria could collapse and then reform but to think nigeria would be ok if the world started a mjor world war is a pipe dream.

AskiaHarem:
Nah actually Nigeria would be one of the better off countries. Like I said most of Nigeria’s crucial trading partners like America & China wouldn’t disappear and there trade to Africa wouldn’t have any reason to dry up as there is no infliction point. There are also other partners like Brazil. Your discussing as if the entire world outside of Africa would disappear into thin air.

Nigeria has a burgeoning industry and in such an event would just force it to tighten its own boot straps. As we saw with the fertilizer issue among other things. As for lack of refined oil; that’s a problem already predicted to faze out considerably in the near future with Nigeria’s continues construction of oil refineries. A World War Three scenario would only increase the demand of oil & gas and with the powers blowing each other’s facilities to bits it allows opportunity for commercial leverage.

Like I said before a neutral region could attract investment from those seeking a platform for there business to operate out of high risk and conflict zones.


Your correct own Africa being poorly set up to trade with itself. That’s where the bootstraps come in. World War Three would absolutely effect Africa negatively. Would some countries collapse? Sure. Would that include Nigeria and South Africa? Not necessarily. Such hardships merely forces your back against the wall and for you to solve your own problems. Major players in Africa could emerge with more political clout than ever after such a war has concluded with much of the world theaters exhausted, drained, and diminished.


World War 3 Should be a Detox for Africa.

andrewza:
in ww3 America and china would very much stop being countries as we know it.

No they will not vanish but there trade and ablity to provide aid will. For all purpose they will not be there and will have no need to buy or sell any with with nigeria or Africa

Nigeria does not have a industry that matters. I know people like to talk about it but the Nigrian industry is in truth very small in evry region and catagory. Remember Nigeria populastion is masive yet it industry is smaller than south africa. This is not even me say south africa will survive as a intact country. No country in the world will. The world is to linked in global web of trade and services and WW3 would shatter that entier system.


WW3 wont have investors. the war will be fast and short. who will invest in nigeria and what would they invest with.


i dont have faith in the poltical leaders in south africa or nigeria to keep the counties together.

andrewza:
in ww3 America and china would very much stop being countries as we know it.

No they will not vanish but there trade and ablity to provide aid will. For all purpose they will not be there and will have no need to buy or sell any with with nigeria or Africa

Nigeria does not have a industry that matters. I know people like to talk about it but the Nigrian industry is in truth very small in evry region and catagory. Remember Nigeria populastion is masive yet it industry is smaller than south africa. This is not even me say south africa will survive as a intact country. No country in the world will. The world is to linked in global web of trade and services and WW3 would shatter that entier system.


WW3 wont have investors. the war will be fast and short. who will invest in nigeria and what would they invest with.


i dont have faith in the poltical leaders in south africa or nigeria to keep the counties together.

kabe1:
Nigeria doesn't have an industry that matters is the dumbest comment I have seen in this thread since I started visiting here.

South-Africa has an industry that matters right?

Nigeria has the largest Oil & Gas Industry in Africa, it also has the largest Refining capacity in Africa.

Only 2 countries in Africa have significant refining capacity, Nigeria and Algeria.

The Entertainment industry is also the largest in Africa.

Nigeria's financial services sector, Banking, E-banking and E-commerce is also larger.

Nigeria's construction and Real estate sector are also larger. I mean there's no road project the size of Nigeria's ongoing Coastal road that's happening anywhere in Africa.

The Automotive industry depends on imported parts just like every other African auto manufacturer.

You say Industry in South-Africa is larger than Nigeria, perhaps in the past, not the same as today.

AskiaHarem:
America and China; more so the former will continue to operate as usual do in part to there robust economies and geological locations. We don’t know what the war will look like. Will it just be NATO vs Russia or will the Arabs, Israel, Iran, Pakistan, India, China, the Koreas, Japan, and the Pacific light there own fires? I’m talking about a conventional’ish war not a a total nuclear apocalypse.

Regardless they will be there and they will buy & sell as usual and so will ground zero points like Europe. They have no reason to stop and all the reasoning to continue. This has nothing to do with “aid” just basic trade.

The global web of trade and services isn’t going anywhere especially to and from Africa without reason. Will it face disruptions? Definitely

As I stated before Nigeria, SA, and a few other African countries already have burgeoning industries that will be forced to pull themselves up by the bootstraps. They can invest in each other’s unique advantages & regional specialties to mitigate individual weaknesses.

As for foreign investment; the usual along with materials needed to fuel there war economies and low risk economic zones where outsourced production & services don’t get compromised by the war.


The world will become a different place but Nigeria, South Africa, and others will live in some form or another.

World War 3 Detox

andrewza:
Have you not heard what i said. I dont think south africa will escape intact either. No african country will.


Ok you now

kabe1:
I wish I had the time to start going back and forth with you.

It is delusional to think South-Africa has a larger industry than Nigeria. Perhaps in the past, but not anymore.

But Nigeria and South-Africa depend on parts imports for manufacturing, including in the Auto sector.

It is naive to say Nigeria just has oil, when we refine the crude oil to many different byproducts.

There are at least 8 functional refineries in Nigeria alone.

South-Africa will go bankrupt if it embarks on Nigeria's coastal road project, this is a fact.

kabe1:
I wish I had the time to start going back and forth with you.

It is delusional to think South-Africa has a larger industry than Nigeria. Perhaps in the past, but not anymore.

But Nigeria and South-Africa depend on parts imports for manufacturing, including in the Auto sector.

It is naive to say Nigeria just has oil, when we refine the crude oil to many different byproducts.

There are at least 8 functional refineries in Nigeria alone.

South-Africa will go bankrupt if it embarks on Nigeria's coastal road project, this is a fact.

kabe1:
I wish I had the time to start going back and forth with you.

It is delusional to think South-Africa has a larger industry than Nigeria. Perhaps in the past, but not anymore.

But Nigeria and South-Africa depend on parts imports for manufacturing, including in the Auto sector.

It is naive to say Nigeria just has oil, when we refine the crude oil to many different byproducts.

There are at least 8 functional refineries in Nigeria alone.

South-Africa will go bankrupt if it embarks on Nigeria's coastal road project, this is a fact.

Faithful007:
Couldn’t be more wrong. Because SAs economy is quite diversified, people often forget that they’re a solid mineral rich country.

Just the way people are shocked to learn that US is the world largest oil and Agro producer.

SA’s mining industry alone generates significantly more revenue than Nigeria’s oil industry.

GreenandGold:
Being "left alone" during a world war is impossible, everyone will suffer direct or indirect consequences. I'll put up a simple scenario, a war starts in Europe, fertiliser goes through the roof affecting the ability to produce food, shortages will occur, and guess what will happen? Social unrests, blame them on the president and his ethnic group, separatists will take hold, internal wars begin..... and that's just one scenario, I haven't added in China, and the USA and the Middle East doing their separate things.

In a world war, I see a million ways even a country like Nigeria could tear itself apart.... and yes, external powers are keeping a lot of African countries together either via military assistance, trade or aid.

kabe1:
I wish I had the time to start going back and forth with you.

It is delusional to think South-Africa has a larger industry than Nigeria. Perhaps in the past, but not anymore.

But Nigeria and South-Africa depend on parts imports for manufacturing, including in the Auto sector.

It is naive to say Nigeria just has oil, when we refine the crude oil to many different byproducts.

There are at least 8 functional refineries in Nigeria alone.

South-Africa will go bankrupt if it embarks on Nigeria's coastal road project, this is a fact.

kabe1:
1) The Entertainment industry is also the largest in Africa.

2) Nigeria's financial services sector, Banking, E-banking and E-commerce is also larger.

3) Nigeria's construction and Real estate sector are also larger.

Lurker4Long:
Care to provide some proof for the 3 points above?

andrewza:
i was acctually shocked when i lookd in to South Africas Nastional budget compaired to other african countries. South africa makes a lot more cash than nigeria and it why the budget is massive compared to Nigeria.

MiddleDimension:
Apart from entertainment, which I still doubt, I think he is not very correct on the others.