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Antichristian2:
omoredia

In the Bible, Jesus told a paralyzed man that his sins were forgiven in Mark 2:5-12! Jesus doesn't need to die for his sins to be forgiven there!

He even told the criminal crucified with him "today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43). Jesus doesn't need to die for his sins to be forgiven there!

1. Explain clearly how Jesus needs to die for our sins to be forgiven when sin were already being forgiven?

2. What was John the Baptist calling to when he was alive and was there no forgiveness of sin then?

omoredia:
Forgiveness of sin is different from assurance of salvation. Salvation is the contract, forgiveness is just one of the benefit of being saved. Thats why man can also Forgive but only Jesus can save our soul from eternal damnation

omoredia:
Forgiveness of sin is different from assurance of salvation. Salvation is the contract, forgiveness is just one of the benefit of being saved. Thats why man can also Forgive but only Jesus can save our soul from eternal damnation

Antichristian2:
Are you saying the paralyzed man was just forgiven but wasn't saved?

What about the Criminal?

And you still evade the question. Did Jesus die to save them?

Let me add a third incident.

The Rich ruler who came to meet Jesus!
Jesus said he should obey the commandments and lastly he should sell & dispose all his properties and follow him.

Where is Jesus's death in this? Why didn't Jesus tell him "For God so love the world..." John 3:16?
Why didn't Jesus say "I came to die for you, and you must believe in my death to be saved?

rakar

omoredia:
The criminal was saved cos he already believed on Jesus. Once u believe that Jesus came to save u then u are saved.
To him that believes all things are possible including salvation.

Jesus said, “… If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth” (Mark 9:23).

That's why the rich ruler didn't get rebirth initially. Because we are talking about mortality for immortality when we become saved in Christ. That is rebirth. We were first born into sin, and when we become born again by believing in Christ's redemption, we are born into eternal life. Hallelujah.

Antichristian2:
This is still not the point. Does the criminal know what trinity is? Does the criminal believe in the death of Jesus to be saved? Does the criminal know Jesus as God or three in one God? Does the criminal believe Jesus came to save anyone with his death?

The Muslims believe in Jesus as a Prophet and not as God. Muslims don't believe in trinity. Muslims believe Jesus was sent to the children of Israel by God. This is a little bit similar to what the criminal believed!

It seems you are an expert in evading questions! Go straight up and answer the questions. You didn't even mention the John the baptist part at all.

2. What was John the Baptist calling to when he was alive and was there no forgiveness of sin/salvation back then?

omoredia:
If u are trying to comprehend religion then their is no basis cos religion is no different from culture. Islam is Arab culture. It's like saying that ijebu don't eat dogs and akwa ibo eat dogs. It doesnt matter. Its just belief and nothing more. U can believe that eating dog is wrong but there is no basis that it is. Same for religion. Believing Jesus as a prophet is a view held not only by Muslims. Many people do not even believe that jesus is real. Many too do not consider him a prophet at all. So that's belief. What u believe doesn't make it true cos even lies are meant to be believed and not to be scrutinized

Antichristian2:
You already have a warped understanding of Islam before!
Islam is not an Arabic culture as Allah emphasized the fact in the Qur'an that all Prophets were Muslims. This includes Moses, Jesus, John the baptist, David, Jacob, Isaac, Ishmael, Abraham, Solomon, Jonah,etc. However, only Muhammad was an Arab. Arabs were polytheists before Islam became pronounce in Arabia!

The only religion all of the Messengers practiced is Islam.

Noah and Abraham were not Jews nor Christians! But they were Muslims!

Antichristian2:
omoredia

In the Bible, Jesus told a paralyzed man that his sins were forgiven in Mark 2:5-12! Jesus doesn't need to die for his sins to be forgiven there!

He even told the criminal crucified with him "today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43). Jesus doesn't need to die for his sins to be forgiven there!

1. Explain clearly how Jesus needs to die for our sins to be forgiven when sin were already being forgiven?

2. What was John the Baptist calling to when he was alive and was there no forgiveness of sin then?

Antichristian2:
You already have a warped understanding of Islam before!
Islam is not an Arabic culture as Allah emphasized the fact in the Qur'an that all Prophets were Muslims. This includes Moses, Jesus, John the baptist, David, Jacob, Isaac, Ishmael, Abraham, Solomon, Jonah,etc. However, only Muhammad was an Arab. Arabs were polytheists before Islam became pronounce in Arabia!

The only religion all of the Messengers practiced is Islam.

Noah and Abraham were not Jews nor Christians! But they were Muslims!

Antichristian2:
You already have a warped understanding of Islam before!
Islam is not an Arabic culture as Allah emphasized the fact in the Qur'an that all Prophets were Muslims. This includes Moses, Jesus, John the baptist, David, Jacob, Isaac, Ishmael, Abraham, Solomon, Jonah,etc. However, only Muhammad was an Arab. Arabs were polytheists before Islam became pronounce in Arabia!

The only religion all of the Messengers practiced is Islam.

Noah and Abraham were not Jews nor Christians! But they were Muslims!

Righthussle:
My own is simple, they say it's the curse the bible god placed on Eve that makes women feel pain and even die during childbirth and fortunately Jesus later came to die for that sin that brought the curse, why is the curse still there ? The day the bible god truly forgives and removes the curse that's the day I'll become a Christian.

omoredia:
If u claim Jesus was a Muslim and Christians are followers of Jesus then are u saying Christians are Muslims?

delkuf:
the death of the Lord Jesus is not only for the forgiveness of sins. It goes beyond that. How will the Lord Jesus forgive the sins of the world. Will he be going to everyone that there sins are forgiven. Both those that deserve it and those that doesn't deserve it.
Remember the Lord Jesus did not came to save the Israelite alone but the world. So the only way to pay the price of the sins of the world is to dye on the cross.
And the Lord Jesus death on the cross is not only for our forgiveness but to give us the ability to live above sin. If I sin today and the Lord Jesus told me that my sins are forgiven, and after some days I sinned again, will the Lord Jesus come again and forgive my sin the second time. How many times will the Lord Jesus forgive me my sins. So you see, THE LORD JESUS DOESN'T NEED TO GO AROUND THE WORLD FORGIVING THE SINS OF THE WORLD. OR FOR HIM TO COME AGAIN TO FORGIVE US AFTER HE HAD FIRST FORGIVEN US. So he paid it once and for all with his death by dying on the cross. The Lord Jesus don't need to be going around the world forgiving the sins of the world. Just a simple plead of prayer in your closet and your sins are forgiven. Just ask the Lord Jesus and he will forgive you and you will become a brand new person

Antichristian2:
What religion did Jesus practice on earth? Definitely not Christianity! Christianity started after Jesus.
Which God did he worship and pray to?

Those who follow Christ in truth before the Prophethood of Muhammad are Muslims.
Those who follow Moses in truth before the Prophethood of Jesus are Muslims.
Same for Noah and others!

Antichristian2:
What religion did Jesus practice on earth? Definitely not Christianity! Christianity started after Jesus.
Which God did he worship and pray to?

Those who follow Christ in truth before the Prophethood of Muhammad are Muslims.
Those who follow Moses in truth before the Prophethood of Jesus are Muslims.
Same for Noah and others!

Antichristian2:
I don't think you understand the question. Let me rephrase it. John came and was calling out people to repent! If they repent won't they be admitted in Paradise when they die? Of cos they will.

And Jesus did forgave someone without dying while on earth!

He promised the criminal paradise without him believing in his death or trinity!

So why the need for the death of Jesus if all these can be achieved without his death?

delkuf:
we need the death of the Lord Jesus because that is the only way our sins can be paid. sins

omoredia:
Use ur logic. If u say Jesus was muslim and Christians follow Jesus then are Christians now muslims? Cos Christians do not take Muhammed as one of the prophets just as muslims reject the idea Jesus is son of God.

Antichristian2:
So why the need for the death of Jesus if all these can be achieved without his death?

StillDtruth:
This is not correct.

Leviticus laid down all the steps to be taken for the forgiveness of sins.

PulaPower:
Jesus
Sin
Bible. They’re all fairytales & fallacies..

Righthussle:
➜My own is simple, they say it's the curse the bible god placed on Eve that makes women feel pain and even die during childbirth and fortunately Jesus later came to die for that sin that brought the curse, why is the curse still there ? The day the bible god truly forgives and removes the curse that's the day I'll become a Christian.

delkuf:
And what are those steps

StillDtruth:
Aha. Have you not read Leviticus before?