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delkuf:
bring out the verse in Leviticus so that we read together

StillDtruth:
You obviously have never read Leviticus else you would have seen that from Chapter 1 to 17 is all about atonement and forgiveness of sin.

StillDtruth:
Did you not hear him say that "the death of the Lord Jesus is not only for the forgiveness of sins. It goes beyond that."?

delkuf:
we need the death of the Lord Jesus because that is the only way our sins can be paid. I have told that the Lord Jesus can not be going round the world forgiving everyone of there sins. John calling people to repent doesn't mean he has the power to forgive sins. Only the Lord Jesus through his death and resurrection can cleanse anyone of there sins

omoredia:
U can see the scam. How can u say islam existed before and after Muhammed. Does that not negate the need for a prophet? If the religion was the same and already known. Thats the scam of religion

omoredia:
Use ur logic. If u say Jesus was muslim and Christians follow Jesus then are Christians now muslims? Cos Christians do not take Muhammed as one of the prophets just as muslims reject the idea Jesus is son of God.

Ojuntana:
How was Abraham a Muslim when he argued and negotiated with God concerning Sodom and Gomorrah
Even Moses questioned God when he was sent as a prophet to the children of Israel
Jonah even ran away
How were all these muslims if they negotiated with God at one time or the other?
You're simply confused

RightChannel:
If Islam is not an Arabic culture, why that ONLY Muhammad came from Saudi Arabia or Arabia peninsula, which Prophets originated from Saudi Arabia or worship kaaba the black stone Muhammad placed on your in Saudi Arabia?

Antichristian2:
Where does it state that many Prophets must come from a particular place for them all to be legit?

Antichristian2:
Is it needed for anything eternal life?

The rich ruler asked Jesus, so why didn't he inform him about his death?

And the criminal crucified with the biblical Jesus never believed in the trinity nor in the death of Jesus. Jesus still promised him paradise.

Antichristian2:
Your first confusion is who is a Muslim?

Are all these people trinitarians?

How many Gods did they worship?

One thing common to all of them is that they all submitted wholly to Almighty Allah in worship!

And no one argues with God! He does whatever He wills!

Antichristian2:
Christians who follow Jesus in truth before the Prophethood of Muhammad till they die are Muslims.
The Christians who met Muhammad but reject him are disbelievers.

And God does not need a son to inherit him.
God is far above having sons to help him do anything!

Antichristian2:
Where does it state that many Prophets must come from a particular place for them all to be legit?

delkuf:
you are confusing yourself. So are telling me that I must read Leviticus from chapter 1 to chapter 17 before my sins before my sins can be forgiven. I show you that forgiveness comes through the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus but you said no. Who or what can make my sins be forgiven

Ojuntana:
Orunmila also claimed to be sent by God
He had his own book called odu Ifa
Is he also a prophet by Islamic standards or not? And if not why?

RightChannel:
You didn't get my point

Islam is an Arabic culture as ONLY Muhammad came from Saudi Arabia, only him worshipped allah as a prophet, only him circumbulated and worship kaaba and many more! No other prophet worshipped kaaba and performed hajj to Saudi Arabia, no other prophet prayed to allah while facing the direction of qibla!

StillDtruth:
This is a very good question but I would not be telling you the answer.

Ojuntana:
I believe your quran says a Muslim is one who submits to Allah

According to the bible, Abraham negotiated with God concerning the destruction of Sodom and Gommorah

Even in your quran, Abraham told Muhammad to negotiate with God concerning prayer times not so?

How do these two scenarios above fit into the narrative of submission

omoredia:
Then believing that Muhammed is a prophet is what makes a muslim and not in any other thing so u are wrong to claim that Jesus is Muslim when Jesus clearly rejected Muhammed as a prophet.

1 John 4: 3

[3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Ojuntana:
Orunmila also claimed to be sent by God
He had his own book called odu Ifa
Is he also a prophet by Islamic standards or not? And if not why?

Antichristian2:
And where did Jesus mention Muhammad in the verse you quoted?
How is that verse applicable to Muhammad?

StillDtruth:
Delku, don't do like the pagans here. You verily know that I did not say that.

And further, you can not make any valid comment against me, if you have not read and appreciated The Laws, so I leave it to your will.

Antichristian2:
Who is a Prophet or messenger according to Islam?
Was Orunmila calling to the worship of one God unseen above the heavens?

Antichristian2:
It wasn't Abraham but Moses that told Muhammad to return and make more requests! It is not a negotiation! Negotiation is done between two equal or almost equal entities. When it is between God and man, it is a prayer, supplication, request, etc.

Abraham was told to sacrifice his son... did he object? He submitted!

Antichristian2:
So before Jesus no one's sins was cleanse?

Jesus said in the Lord's prayer "And forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sins against us"...Where is blood atonement in this?

John came and told people to repent!

Jesus too told people to repent in Luke 13.

delkuf:
so why did you say no. What is your take on the topic

delkuf:
you are confusing yourself. So are telling me that I must read Leviticus from chapter 1 to chapter 17 before my sins before my sins can be forgiven. I show you that forgiveness comes through the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus but you said no. Who or what can make my sins be forgiven

Antichristian2:
It wasn't Abraham but Moses that told Muhammad to return and make more requests! It is not a negotiation! Negotiation is done between two equal or almost equal entities. When it is between God and man, it is a prayer, supplication, request, etc.

Abraham was told to sacrifice his son... did he object? He submitted!

Antichristian2:
It wasn't Abraham but Moses that told Muhammad to return and make more requests! It is not a negotiation! Negotiation is done between two equal or almost equal entities. When it is between God and man, it is a prayer, supplication, request, etc.

Abraham was told to sacrifice his son... did he object? He submitted!

sonmvayina:
You have to sincerely repent. That is confess and forsake your evil ways. God will forgive. He does not need a human death/or sacrifice before he can forgive. His hands are not too short. Though your heart be as black as cool. He can make them as white as snow.

Antichristian2:
What religion did Jesus practice on earth? Definitely not Christianity! Christianity started after Jesus.
Which God did he worship and pray to?

Those who follow Christ in truth before the Prophethood of Muhammad are Muslims.
Those who follow Moses in truth before the Prophethood of Jesus are Muslims.
Same for Noah and others!

delkuf:
what do you think is the meaning of the world Christian. It means Christ like. People seeing how the disciples are behaving and they liking it to Christ. They saw that they behave like Christ. And you are saying that the Lord Jesus didn't practice Christianity when it was through him Christianity came to be. Stop fooling around. Except Jesus

MubashirHales:
[quote author=Antichristian2 post=134508196]It wasn't Abraham but Moses that told Muhammad to return and make more requests! It is not a negotiation! Negotiation is done between two equal or almost equal entities. When it is between God and man, it is a prayer, supplication, request, etc.

Abraham was told to sacrifice his son... did he object? www.faizeislam.infoHe submitted!