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MightySparrow:
Verse 90 from surah Yunus
﴿۞ وَجَاوَزْنَا بِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ الْبَحْرَ فَأَتْبَعَهُمْ فِرْعَوْنُ وَجُنُودُهُ بَغْيًا وَعَدْوًا ۖ حَتَّىٰ إِذَا أَدْرَكَهُ الْغَرَقُ قَالَ آمَنتُ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا الَّذِي آمَنَتْ بِهِ بَنُو إِسْرَائِيلَ وَأَنَا مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ﴾
[ يونس: 90]

English - Sahih International
10:90 And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims."
Surah Yunus in Arabic

The reason Allah wants to exterminate the children of Israel is because they were not Muslims and He sent a Muslim king to kill them. The same agenda was passed down to Mohammed and his followers till date.


The question now is: who defended Israelites in the Red Sea against Pharaoh?

The king answered Daniel, and said, "Truly your God is the God of gods, the Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, since you could reveal this secret."
-- Daniel 2:47
KJV Holy Bible

Nebuchadnezzar. Did he worship Jehovah and His son alongside the spooky Ghost too?

illicit:
Well then... But historically, Judaism started before Christianity, and Christianity started before Islam...
So Pharaoh couldn't have been a Muslim, there were no Muslims in his era

The problem is Islam in itself a believer in one god is a Muslim (according to Islam) whoever agrees that there is only one God is automatically a Muslim but that's not the truth.
Pharaoh believe in many gods but he quickly released the Israelites when he realized that the God who sent Moses is mightier than all the Gods in Egypt.
Now to an average Muslim that submission automatically qualifies Pharaoh to be called a Muslim.
Muslims can't prove the OP wrong on this since fighting and killing fellow believers means nothing to Muslims so far both sides are fighting for a just course in their hearts.

Gabrielshow24:
"something similar" that's rather far fetched.
The point of the op revolves around "Pharaoh being a Muslim".

It seems that Muhammad due to his illiteracy just labeled every tom, dick and Harry "Muslim".

If he had heard about Nimrod, am sure he would have labeled him "MUSLIM".

I believe that there is no god but Allah in Whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am also one of those who submit to Allah. The Quran 10:90


The king answered Daniel, and said, "Truly your God is the God of gods, the Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, since you could reveal this secret."
-- Daniel 2:47
KJV Bible


Tell me the difference in both statements. Does Nebuchadnezzar also worship Jehovah and practiced Judaism since Daniel was a Jew and of that Faith?

illicit:
There was no Christian in Genesis...

Luke 4 says you are Lying. Relying on the fact that the word Christianity "began to be used" only after Antioch does not negate that it had already begun over long since before the Word Christ and Christianity was born.

Exactly how you can not rightly say that Nigeria did not exist until Flora Shaw coined the name

illicit:
Well then... But historically, Judaism started before Christianity, and Christianity started before Islam...

So Pharaoh couldn't have been a Muslim, there were no Muslims in his era

I am only quoting Quran. Allah told Mohammed that Pharaoh was a Muslim.

I have not seen a Muslim telling us the reason Allah instigated Pharaoh to kill Israelltes and still kill Pharaoh for doing his work.

MightySparrow:
Verse 90 from surah Yunus
﴿۞ وَجَاوَزْنَا بِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ الْبَحْرَ فَأَتْبَعَهُمْ فِرْعَوْنُ وَجُنُودُهُ بَغْيًا وَعَدْوًا ۖ حَتَّىٰ إِذَا أَدْرَكَهُ الْغَرَقُ قَالَ آمَنتُ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا الَّذِي آمَنَتْ بِهِ بَنُو إِسْرَائِيلَ وَأَنَا مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ﴾
[ يونس: 90]

English - Sahih International
10:90 And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims."
Surah Yunus in Arabic

The reason Allah wants to exterminate the children of Israel is because they were not Muslims and He sent a Muslim king to kill them. The same agenda was passed down to Mohammed and his followers till date.


The question now is: who defended Israelites in the Red Sea against Pharaoh?

Learn to read and understand olodo omo

StillDtruth:
Luke 4 says you are Lying. Relying on the fact that the word Christianity "began to be used" only after Antioch does not negate that it had already begun over long since before the Word Christ and Christianity was born.

Exactly how you can not rightly say that Nigeria did not exist until Flora Shaw coined the name

Yes Nigeria did not exist until 1914 when the northern and southern protectorates were almagamated and the name was coined.

So who were the Christians in Genesis?

Pls I am waiting...

MaxInDHouse:
The problem is Islam in itself a believer in one god is a Muslim (according to Islam) whoever agrees that there is only one God is automatically a Muslim but that's not the truth.
Pharaoh believe in many gods but he quickly released the Israelites when he realized that the God who sent Moses is mightier than all the Gods in Egypt.
Now to an average Muslim that submission automatically qualifies Pharaoh to be called a Muslim.
Muslims can't prove the OP wrong on this since fighting and killing fellow believers means nothing to Muslims so far both sides are fighting for a just course in their hearts.

I get your drift...

Pharaoh didn't worship gods tho...

He was d god, he never knew there was another god other than him.

illicit:
➜Well then... But historically, Judaism started before Christianity, and Christianity started before Islam...So Pharaoh couldn't have been a Muslim, there were no Muslims in his era

Not according to Islamics who instead believe that anyone who submits to a god — any god— is a Muslim, or so I have been told. It is almost like you don't have much of a choice as far as whether you will be classified as a Muslim or not. 😩😩😩😩

Kobojunkie:
Not according to Islamics who instead believe that anyone who submits to a god — any god— is a Muslim, or so I have been told.

Oh okay

I get you, I get maxindhouse too, this means that if I only believe in Ogun god of iron I am a Muslim right?

illicit:
➜I get your drift... Pharaoh didn't worship gods tho... He was d god, he never knew there was another god other than him.

But here, the verse quoted in the OP asserts — a claim made over 2000 years after the man in question is written to have drowned —that the Pharoah eventually submitted to a god, making him a Muslim before his end.

Kobojunkie:
But here, the verse quoted in the OP asserts — a claim made over 2000 years after the man in question is written to have drowned —that the Pharoah eventually submitted to a god, making him a Muslim before his end.

I am of the school of thought that "holy books" should be retired after 100 years...

We need new books written in our time obviously

illicit:
➜Oh okay. I get you, I get maxindhouse too, this means that if I only believe in Ogun god of iron I am a Muslim right?

That is sort of the gist I got, too, but I didn't really get a straightforward/direct answer in that case since the opinions of the different Muslims on the thread seemed to change a bit at that point.

illicit:
➜I am of the school of thought that "holy books" should be retired after 100 years...
➜We need new books written in our time obviously

. But what exactly is a holy book, though? Are they books that don't burn or books that confer miracles on those who handle them? What are they? We have seen videos of a Quran, a BIble, and even a Torah on fire, and all 3 of them have burned the same as other books. So, what exactly is a holy book for you to suggest it ought to be retired after 1000 years?

2. You can always write your own book if you want, but to insist that a book written by someone else should be banned, you should have a good reason for that, right?

Kobojunkie:
That is sort of the gist I got, too, but I didn't really get a straightforward/direct answer in that case since the opinions of the different Muslims on the thread seemed to change a bit at that point.

Yeah

There's one other christain zealot here, who claims that Christians exist even before Jesus Christ...

He said there were Christians in Genesis

I think the guy is really daft

Kobojunkie:
. But what exactly is a holy book, though? Are they books that don't burn or books that confer miracles on those who handle them? What are they? We have seen videos of a Quran, a BIble, and even a Torah on fire, and all 3 of them have burned the same as other books. So, what exactly is a holy book for you to suggest it ought to be retired after 1000 years?

Any scripture shouldn't be viable after a hundred years...

Kobojunkie:
. But what exactly is a holy book, though? Are they books that don't burn or books that confer miracles on those who handle them? What are they? We have seen videos of a Quran, a BIble, and even a Torah on fire, and all 3 of them have burned the same as other books. So, what exactly is a holy book for you to suggest it ought to be retired after 1000 years?

2. You can always write your own book if you want, but to insist that a book written by someone else should be banned, you should have a good reason for that, right?

It may not be banned but I don't see why I should be guided by a book written so many years ago by some people who have nothing in common with me

illicit:
➜Any scripture shouldn't be viable after a hundred years...

What is scripture that it should be rendered obsolete after a hundred years?

illicit:
➜It may not be banned but I don't see why I should be guided by a book written so many years ago by some people who have nothing in common with me

The choice to be guided is wholly yours to make. So, why attack a book for this?

Kobojunkie:
What is scripture that it should be rendered obsolete after a hundred years?

Nothing is permanent in life...

Even Constitutions are set aside or reviewed from time to time

Kobojunkie:
The choice to be guided is wholly yours to make. So, why attack a book for this?

Attack is the best form of defence

Kobojunkie:
The choice to be guided is wholly yours to make. So, why attack a book for this?

The book attacks you already, it's at least a thousand years old and you should live by it

illicit:
➜Nothing is permanent in life...Even Constitutions are set aside or reviewed from time to time.

So, because nothing in your life is permanent, even the histories of people contained in books should be reviewed?

illicit:
➜The book attacks you already, it's at least a thousand years old and you should live by it

I don't feel attacked by the book at all. Why do you feel attacked by the content of the book? Why are you afraid of paper and glue?

illicit:
➜Attack is the best form of defence

Against a mere book made of paper and glue?

Kobojunkie:
So, because nothing in your life is permanent, even the histories of people contained in books should be reviewed?

When the history changes from chapter to chapter, interpretation to interpretation I don't see it tells you to do anything right

Kobojunkie:
Against a mere book made of paper and glue?

Books are powerful even if it's written on the wall

Lukuluku69:
I believe that there is no god but Allah in Whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am also one of those who submit to Allah. The Quran 10:90


The king answered Daniel, and said, "Truly your God is the God of gods, the Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, since you could reveal this secret."
-- Daniel 2:47
KJV Bible


Tell me the difference in both statements. Does Nebuchadnezzar also worship Jehovah and practiced Judaism since Daniel was a Jew and of that Faith?

One asserts that he is Muslim while the other makes a statement based on evidence!

illicit:
➜When the history changes from chapter to chapter, interpretation to interpretation I don't see it tells you to do anything right

A book is able to change its own content as you imagine?

Lukuluku69:
Please quote the verse/verses for all of to see.

Op quoted it, already.
It's there for all to see!

Lukuluku69:
➜I believe that there is no god but Allah in Whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am also one of those who submit to Allah. The Quran 10:90
The king answered Daniel, and said, "Truly your God is the God of gods, the Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, since you could reveal this secret."
-- Daniel 2:47
KJV Bible
Tell me the difference in both statements. Does Nebuchadnezzar also worship Jehovah and practiced Judaism since Daniel was a Jew and of that Faith?

See the texts in bold and color for the difference you seek! Nebuchadnezzar never worshipped the God of Israel, and he never claimed to be one of the Israelites who could.

illicit:
➜Books are powerful even if it's written on the wall

So books are conscious and hence powerful enough to evoke different meanings from their contents? Or do you instead mean that the minds of men are powerful enough to evoke different meanings from the static contents of books?