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Ken4Christ:
Jesus is not the Father, I agree. But they are different personalities of the same God. This is the point I am making. You can't separate them. The Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in the Father.

Exactly sir. Just as we are in him.
Now, the Father is God, the Son is also God. Correct.
In that Godhead. The son admitted that the Father is greater than him. We cannot overlook that statement of our Lord.
Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:21-22 also stated it clearly that the Son derived his power and authority from the Father and at the end of this dispensation when the salvation of mankind would be complete, the Son himself will subject himself under the authority of the Father and then the Father will be One and Supreme over all.
Sir, read that 1 Corinthians and give me your view over it.

Thanks.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus is not the Father, I agree. But they are different personalities of the same God. This is the point I am making. You can't separate them. The Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in the Father.

You believe this yourself?

sonmvayina:
I left because , he was just a distraction to my spiritual journey.

Okay sir.
What path do you follow now on your spiritual journey.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus is not the Father, I agree. But they are different personalities of the same God. This is the point I am making. You can't separate them. . The Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in the Father.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus said that because he was in human flesh that had limitations.

Concerning Jesus being the express image of God, have you forgotten where he said: "He that has seen me as seen the Father"

God is the first and the last. Jesus also said he is the first and the last. Common sense should let you know that they are the same person.

LYING pastors are confused.
Ken: "Jesus is not the Father,I agree."
Ken: "Common sense should let you know that they are the same person."
Steep: "They are different persons ".

Truthseeker10:
StillDtruth, are you now swallowing your words back?

Did you not say that Jesus is not the Almighty God?

Should I bring evidence of your statement that Jesus is not the Almighty God?

Since when did telling you to "open a thread" become a swallowing of words? See how Mad you prove you are?

immaculatesense:
Okay sir.
What path do you follow now on your spiritual journey.

My own path. With my own experiences, me stakes and all.
WIth the universal laws to guide me

StillDtruth:
Since when did telling you to "open a thread" become a swallowing of words? See how Mad you prove you are?

Lol...since when does opening up a thread answer a question posed to an individual?

MaxInDHouse:
So after they died what Jesus said is now obsolete shey?

Off Point!

At least it is proven that you were lying when you were trying to claim the little group in Matthew 28:20 was your Russell cooperative society. Oléeeee.

Truthseeker10:
Lol...since when does opening up a thread answer a question posed to an individual?

Because any invalid or stupid question can only treated on a separate thread.

StillDtruth:
Because any invalid or stupid question can only treated on a separate thread.

😂😂😂so the threads you've opened are for invalid and stupid questions?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂so the threads you've opened are for invalid and stupid questions?

You already know that threads are opened for valid questions. So I am just saying that you can open one too even if your question is invalid. And you knew that, so this was unnecessary

Jesus is supposed to be a man like me if at all he existed. That is who some ass wipes are equating to the creator of heaven and earth.
Some people get mind sha...No fear at all. They are here quoting contradicting passages to confuse themselves the more.

Thank heavens I woke up to the scam and left it. Jesus does not mean anything to me again. He is useless to the scheme of things....a big distraction and abomination in God's eyes.
Time after time, God says there is no one besides him and he created the heavens and the earth all by himself. Some dipwits will see it and still associate Jesus with the creator. How did Jesus even exist at that time? Like a spirit or a human being?
The Romans really did a good number on the world.
The European now look back and realize they have been mislead and calls it " the dark ages"
We when be johnny just come, carry the matter for head, just to deceive ourselves and dupe people to part with their money.
For any meaningful progress to come to Nigeria we have to give Jesus and Muhammad back to the European and the Arabs., and embrace our heritage. Then, and only then wii we make progress.

cornelboy:
You believe this yourself?

Let me give you a simple illustration. When you sleep at night, you see yourself in different places in the dream but your body is lying on the bed. Are you not the same person.

What about witches who are in their homes but are in different forms committing havoc? Are they not the same person?

What makes you think God cannot be in heaven and on earth at the same time?

StillDtruth:
You already know that threads are opened for valid questions. So I am just saying that you can open one too even if your question is invalid. And you knew that, so this was unnecessary

How is my question invalid?

StillDtruth:
Off Point!
At least it is proven that you were lying when you were trying to claim the little group in Matthew 28:20 was your Russell cooperative society. Oléeeee.

For your information Russell and others are the Apostles of our time that's why they are able to organize disciples in all the earth teaching them to continue the work Jesus assigned to us without let up.

Oya mention the name of your own church let's hear what you've been doing apart from calling people names on Nairaland!

Ken4Christ:
Let me give you a simple illustration. When you sleep at night, you see yourself in different places in the dream but your body is lying on the bed. Are you not the same person.

What about witches who are in their homes but are in different forms committing havoc? Are they not the same person?

What makes you think God cannot be in heaven and on earth at the same time?

You and this your hay fever dreams!

sonmvayina:
My own path. With my own experiences, me stakes and all.
WIth the universal laws to guide me

What are the universe laws sir. Can you itemize some?
Thanks

MaxInDHouse:
You're full of delusional thoughts my guy instead of quoting God's word to back what you're saying it's just spewing gibberish without control.
So two or three persons are the only true God yet Jesus separated himself from the only true God in that verse.

Ọmọ this stealing by trick has come to an end only fools will give you the tenth part of their earnings as tithe now!

John 14:9-11
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I AM IN THE FATHER, and THE FATHER IN ME: or else believe me for the very works' sake

Notice what Jesus said above:

1. He that has seen me has seen the father.

What does this statement mean to you?

2. I am in the Father and the Father in me.

They are inseparable. Jesus is exact replica of his Father.

immaculatesense:
Exactly sir. Just as we are in him.
Now, the Father is God, the Son is also God. Correct.
In that Godhead. The son admitted that the Father is greater than him. We cannot overlook that statement of our Lord.
Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:21-22 also stated it clearly that the Son derived his power and authority from the Father and at the end of this dispensation when the salvation of mankind would be complete, the Son himself will subject himself under the authority of the Father and then the Father will be One and Supreme over all.
Sir, read that 1 Corinthians and give me your view over it.

Thanks.

Jesus said his Father is greater than him because he is subject to him. But that doesn't make him a lesser God in his very nature. In just the same way you are not less human because you are subject to your boss.

Do you know that the Holy Spirit is subject to Jesus instruction? Does it make the Holy Spirit a lesser God?

That a husband is the head of his wife doesn't make the wife less human.

Ken4Christ:
John 14:9-11
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I AM IN THE FATHER, and THE FATHER IN ME: or else believe me for the very works' sake

Notice what Jesus said above:

1. He that has seen me has seen the father.

What does this statement mean to you?

2. I am in the Father and the Father in me.

They are inseparable. Jesus is exact replica of his Father.

Do you still agree with the diagram below?

Ken4Christ:
Jesus said his Father is greater than him because he is subject to him. But that doesn't make him a lesser God in his very nature. In just the same way you are not less human because you are subject to your boss.

Do you know that the Holy Spirit is subject to Jesus instruction? Does it make the Holy Spirit a lesser God?

That a husband is the head of his wife doesn't make the wife less human.

Sir.
I think what we have issues with here is ENGLISH. There are three possibilities: greater than, lesser than and equal to. The only time an equation is balanced is when it is equal to. If one is greater than, then the other is lesser than.
Now, there is not scriptures that says the Holy Spirit is God. No single scriptures. So, let's stick to what the scriptures say that the holy Spirit is the spirit of god and of Christ.
The Father sent the son and the son sent the spirit. The Father is not answerable to the son but the son is answerable and obeys the Father. Sir, the son proceeds from the Father, the Father does not proceed from the son. Etc.
Sir, the issue hear is that you need to know the difference between EQUITY and EQUALITY.
EQUITY is a fair distribution where each person did not collect or have equal measure but they have they rightful measure they deserve. For instance, a person works for an hour and collected $50 while the other person works for 2 hours and collected $100 that is equity and that is what happens between a man and his wife and between the Father and his Son. Where both are highly honored and glorified which the accord that is due to them.
EQUALITY on the other hand is a 50/50 thing and that does not exist in a good family system where a woman believes that she must act in the exact form as her husband, such family will end in chaos. The Son does and will never drag the position of the Father as His God and Progenitor, that is why Jesus always accord everything to his father.

Sir, I hope you can just understand that talking about the position of the Father being higher that his Son Jesus doesn't diminish Jesus' position in any ways because the Son did not come to glorify himself but that the Father will be ultimately glorified in the Son.

Thanks. But you have not explained that 1 Corinthians 15:21-22. Please, quote it and explain each statement of the verses. Will really help us understand each other.

Ken4Christ:
Let me give you a simple illustration. When you sleep at night, you see yourself in different places in the dream but your body is lying on the bed. Are you not the same person.

What about witches who are in their homes but are in different forms committing havoc? Are they not the same person?

What makes you think God cannot be in heaven and on earth at the same time?

I would rather focus on what the bible teaches, rather than my imagination.

If you believe Jesus is different person from the Father, how come Jesus is now the father?

Truthseeker10:
Do you still agree with the diagram below?

How many times will you bring up this diagram?

Yea, I totally agree.
But the three personalities is one God. One God in three persons.

This is why the Holy Spirit is called Spirit of God and also called Spirit of Christ.

Your carnal mind certainly cannot grasp this truth.

You receive it in your spirit that is born again.

MaxInDHouse:
You and this your hay fever dreams!

Lol

Ken4Christ:
John 14:9-11
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I AM IN THE FATHER, and THE FATHER IN ME: or else believe me for the very works' sake

Notice what Jesus said above:

1. He that has seen me has seen the father.

What does this statement mean to you?

2. I am in the Father and the Father in me.

They are inseparable. Jesus is exact replica of his Father.

Sir.
Interpretation of the scriptures is Key sir.
Now, let me explain John 14 to you sir. Jesus was speaking to the disciples about the Father and all that the Father has in preparation for the saints. Jesus started the introduction by saying, "you believe in God, believe also in me." That is, as much as you have trust in God's words, trust also in my words that when I live you, it is to prepare a place where both you and I will be. So, Jesus was asking his disciples to trust him like they would if God has spoken to them directly.
Philip was curious and was like, "can we even see this Father that you are talking so much about, if we can speak to him, it will be well with us, that is, our belief will be more assured. But Jesus, reaffirming what he said in verse 1, told Philip that he doesn't necessarily have to see the Father because everything he says has been authorized by the Father since he only speaks the will of the Father. It is just like when you are the CEO of your father's company and your father is the Chairman. A company came to deal with your company and you gave them your word but they still insist on seeing the Chairman who is your father. The best response you can give to them is to tell them, "Don't worry, whatever I tell you is what my father will tell you, best rest assured that you got the contract, there is not need for you to see my father, I am his representative and I speak his mind, so be rest assured."

That is the interpretation of the conversation sir. It is try that Jesus is the replica of the Father, but you know also that the word "replica" should that something replicates another, so there are two things. The Father on one hand and the Son (the Father's replica) on the other hand.

Thanks.

cornelboy:
I would rather focus on what the bible teaches, rather than my imagination.

If you believe Jesus is different person from the Father, how come Jesus is now the father?

Jesus is the visible manifestation of the invisible God. He is a different person but one with God. If you see Jesus, you have seen the Father. You can't see the Father with flesh and bones. Jesus is the one who reveals him

immaculatesense:
Sir.
I think what we have issues with here is ENGLISH. There are three possibilities: greater than, lesser than and equal to. The only time an equation is balanced is when it is equal to. If one is greater than, then the other is lesser than.
Now, there is not scriptures that says the Holy Spirit is God. No single scriptures. So, let's stick to what the scriptures say that the holy Spirit is the spirit of god and of Christ.
The Father sent the son and the son sent the spirit. The Father is not answerable to the son but the son is answerable and obeys the Father. Sir, the son proceeds from the Father, the Father does not proceed from the son. Etc.
Sir, the issue hear is that you need to know the difference between EQUITY and EQUALITY.
EQUITY is a fair distribution where each person did not collect or have equal measure but they have they rightful measure they deserve. For instance, a person works for an hour and collected $50 while the other person works for 2 hours and collected $100 that is equity and that is what happens between a man and his wife and between the Father and his Son. Where both are highly honored and glorified which the accord that is due to them.
EQUALITY on the other hand is a 50/50 thing and that does not exist in a good family system where a woman believes that she must act in the exact form as her husband, such family will end in chaos. The Son does and will never drag the position of the Father as His God and Progenitor, that is why Jesus always accord everything to his father.

Sir, I hope you can just understand that talking about the position of the Father being higher that his Son Jesus doesn't diminish Jesus' position in any ways because the Son did not come to glorify himself but that the Father will be ultimately glorified in the Son.

Thanks. But you have not explained that 1 Corinthians 15:21-22. Please, quote it and explain each statement of the verses. Will really help us understand each other.

So, are you saying the Holy Spirit is lesser than Jesus because he receives instructions from Jesus?

Ken4Christ:
How many times will you bring up this diagram?

Yea, I totally agree.
But the three personalities is one God. One God in three persons.

This is why the Holy Spirit is called Spirit of God and also called Spirit of Christ.

Your carnal mind certainly cannot grasp this truth.

You receive it in your spirit that is born again.

Ken
No sir. Okay, what will you say about the seven spirits of God in Revelation. Are they also God? Let's just keep to the scriptures by saying that the holy spirit is the spirit of God and of Christ. Because that spirit is subject to the Son as the son is subject to the God.
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Spirit is the spirit of God (both the Father and the son)

This is the position of the scriptures sir.

Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Sir.
Interpretation of the scriptures is Key sir.
Now, let me explain John 14 to you sir. Jesus was speaking to the disciples about the Father and all that the Father has in preparation for the saints. Jesus started the introduction by saying, "you believe in God, believe also in me." That is, as much as you have trust in God's words, trust also in my words that when I live you, it is to prepare a place where both you and I will be. So, Jesus was asking his disciples to trust him like they would if God has spoken to them directly.
Philip was curious and was like, "can we even see this Father that you are talking so much about, if we can speak to him, it will be well with us, that is, our belief will be more assured. But Jesus, reaffirming what he said in verse 1, told Philip that he doesn't necessarily have to see the Father because everything he says has been authorized by the Father since he only speaks the will of the Father. It is just like when you are the CEO of your father's company and your father is the Chairman. A company came to deal with your company and you gave them your word but they still insist on seeing the Chairman who is your father. The best response you can give to them is to tell them, "Don't worry, whatever I tell you is what my father will tell you, best rest assured that you got the contract, there is not need for you to see my father, I am his representative and I speak his mind, so be rest assured."

That is the interpretation of the conversation sir. It is try that Jesus is the replica of the Father, but you know also that the word "replica" should that something replicates another, so there are two things. The Father on one hand and the Son (the Father's replica) on the other hand.

Thanks.

The fullness of God dwells in Jesus. Haven’t you read that?

immaculatesense:
Ken
No sir. Okay, what will you say about the seven spirits of God in Revelation. Are they also God? Let's just keep to the scriptures by saying that the holy spirit is the spirit of God and of Christ. Because that spirit is subject to the Son as the son is subject to the God.
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Spirit is the spirit of God (both the Father and the son)

This is the position of the scriptures sir.

Thanks.

So, what have I said differently?

Ken4Christ:
So, are you saying the Holy Spirit is lesser than Jesus because he receives instructions from Jesus?

Yes sir. That is what is consistent with scriptures sir. John 16:13-15
1. The holy spirit cannot speak of his own (he can only say what Christ has released to him to say)
2. He does not bring glory to himself but to Christ.

These two attributes are what Jesus does to the Father, the Holy spirit does the same to the son, but the Father does that to no one.
Thanks.

Ken4Christ:
So, what have I said differently?

If we can agree on the following then, it means we are just speaking for the same thing in different forms.
1. The Father is God
2. The Son is God
3. Thw holy spirit is the spirit of God (Father and Son)
4. The Father is greater than the son.
5. The Son is subject to the Father.
6. The Son is supreme over all things except the Father.
7. The Father is supreme over all things including the Son.

Do we agree sir or are there still grey areas you don't agree?

Thanks.