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MaxInDHouse:
You've perished already because Jesus is the only creature God made by Himself that's why he is rightly called the firstborn of all creation {Colossians 1:15} he is not God or the father! John 17:3

JW doctrines has damaged your brain and keep you blind. Your brain will reset when you see yourself in hell.

Ken4Christ:
JW doctrines has damaged your brain and keep you blind. Your brain will reset when you see yourself in hell.

Hell is common grave of mankind Adam, Eve, Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses and Elijah are all in Hell so stop deceiving yourself!

MaxInDHouse:
Whether you agree or not the fact remains that Jesus who is the firstborn of all creations is part of creation!

I do not disagree. He was the first of all God's creation and he is the creator of all other creations.

Thanks.

Ken4Christ:
Please remind me. I have forgotten. Seven point resolution?

Okay sir.
If we can agree on the following then, it means we are just speaking for the same thing in different forms.
1. The Father is God
2. The Son is God
3. Thw holy spirit is the spirit of God (Father and Son)
4. The Father is greater than the son.
5. The Son is subject to the Father.
6. The Son is supreme over all things except the Father.
7. The Father is supreme over all things including the Son.

Do we agree sir or are there still grey areas you don't agree?

Thanks.

MaxInDHouse:
According to God's word tithing was instituted among ancient Israelites so that the system of worship will run smoothly since Levites weren't given any inheritance when they left Egypt.
But when Christianity was established the tithing cease because they weren't practicing the old system of worship again {Hebrews 7:5-12} this impostor keeps speaking against God's organized people because we teach people that tithe is unchristian practice.
Secondly he publish books and sell to people claiming how to increase members of the church which is unchristian because the church can only increase through adequate preaching and teaching of God's word anything aside from that is paganism but because he wants to extort money from people he keeps on advertising his useless books in the name of Jesus who said:

You received free, give free.

That makes him a confirmed thief!

1. It is true that tithing is not for believers and it is not necessary. I do not subscribe to it but I a church have members that pay tithe willfully without being coerced and the pastor uses the money for the people in the church and community, and not for himself, then I can't call such a pastor, thief.

2. He sold books he wrote? I don't have issues with selling books or other materials. They are not salvation. At least churches sell printed Bibles and even bookshops sell Bibles too.
I don't know maybe in JW you share Bibles for free.
But I may have issues with his topic and what is the detail of what he wrote in the book. But I can't judge the book that I have not read. That will not be just and that is not what the scriptures taught me.

Thanks.

immaculatesense:
1. It is true that tithing is not for believers and it is not necessary. I do not subscribe to it but I a church have members that pay tithe willfully without being coerced and the pastor uses the money for the people in the church and community, and not for himself, then I can't call such a pastor, thief.

He is a thief!
Whatever he is using it for is worthless if the payer feels he is obeying the law of tithe.
Saul was ordered to destroy the whole of Amalek but he preserved some things claiming he wants to use it to the glory of God if God rejected Saul for such then there is no reason why all so called pastors shouldn't tell their members that tithe is no longer Christian practice! Hebrews 7:5-12

immaculatesense:
2. He sold books he wrote? I don't have issues with selling books or other materials. They are not salvation. At least churches sell printed Bibles and even bookshops sell Bibles too.
I don't know maybe in JW you share Bibles for free. But I may have issues with his topic and what is the detail of what he wrote in the book. But I can't judge the book that I have not read. That will not be just and that is not what the scriptures taught me.Thanks.

Advertising the books in Christ's name is the CRIME, anyone can become an author writing interesting articles but don't attach it to Christ that's unchristian!

psucc:
So what they did was sold to other preachers? Everyone saw or knows what they did -preach the Word. They didn't sell? Take your marketing strategy off the Church. You cannot add a soul to the Church. It's the Spirit of God that does that.

MaxInDHouse:
He is a thief!
Whatever he is using it for is worthless if the payer feels he is obeying the law of tithe.
Saul was ordered to destroy the whole of Amalek but he preserved some things claiming he wants to use it to the glory of God if God rejected Saul for such then there is no reason why all so called pastors shouldn't tell their members that tithe is no longer Christian practice! Hebrews 7:5-12



Advertising the books in Christ's name is the CRIME, anyone can become an author writing interesting articles but don't attach it to Christ that's unchristian!

Okay sir.
Do you sell Bibles at JW?
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Okay sir.
Do you sell Bibles at JW?
Thanks.

Please walk into any kingdom Hall of JWs and ask for a Bible to study with us make sure you ask for the name of whoever demands payment from you.

Go now don't delay!

You people don't know what you are all missing.
What do you think makes it easy for JWs globally to have a complete Bible each including our young ones who can read it?

Well Jesus said:

“But now let the one who has a money bag take it, likewise a food pouch, and let the one who has no SWORD sell his outer garment and buy one." Luke 22:36

Because of this God's organization made it a compulsion for each witness of Christ to have a complete Bible of his or her own.

How?

By voluntary contributions from wealthy members of God's organization Africans can have the best Bible in the whole wide world: Deluxe New World Translation without having to pay for the cost of production.

For your information the complete Bible is what Jesus is referring to as SWORD! Ephesians 6:17 compare to Hebrews 4:12

Ken4Christ:
How many times will you bring up this diagram?

Yea, I totally agree.
But the three personalities is one God. One God in three persons.

This is why the Holy Spirit is called Spirit of God and also called Spirit of Christ.

Your carnal mind certainly cannot grasp this truth.

You receive it in your spirit that is born again.

Does the diagram you agree with Say that the "Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and christ" or that "God is the Holy spirit, The Son and The Father"?

Truthseeker10:
Does the diagram you agree with Say that the "Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and christ" or that "God is the Holy spirit, The Son and The Father"?

He doesn't know what he's saying jàre nah anywhere belle face!

Truthseeker10:
StillDtruth claims that God Almighty calls Jesus God but Jesus is not the Almighty God in Hebrews 1:8. He claims that The angels worship Jesus who is not the Almighty God. Is he correct?

tctrills
StillDtruth
Dtruthspeaker
Emusan
Immaculatesense
Janosky
MaxInDHouse
Steep
Aemmyjah
doffman
cornelboy
Westerhoffe
Everyday247
gohf
Kobojunkie
Ken4Christ
Gabrielshow24

Your contribution to his claims are welcome.

what is the difference between Almighty God and God?
The bible says there is only one God not one Almighty God and another smaller god.

MaxInDHouse:
Please walk into any kingdom Hall of JWs and ask for a Bible to study with us make sure you ask for the name of whoever demands payment from you.

Go now don't delay!

Wait sir. I will confirm from my friends.
But state it clears. Are Bibles given for free at Kingdom halls and it becomes your possession or you read it on lease and return it back to the kingdom hall after reading or study?
That is the clarity I need to know. I like specifics.

Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Wait sir. I will confirm from my friends.
But state it clears. Are Bibles given for free at Kingdom halls and it becomes your possession or you read it on lease and return it back to the kingdom hall after reading or study?
That is the clarity I need to know. I like specifics. Thanks.

If you're one of our friends who wants to study the Bible with us we will require a copy for you and it's yours forever!

MaxInDHouse:
If you're one of our friends who wants to study the Bible with us we will require a copy for you and it's yours forever!

Good and commendable sir. That is good.
But do your members purchase Bible from the kingdom hall whenever they want to get or replace the old one?
Thanks.

immaculatesense:
Good and commendable sir. That is good. But do your members purchase Bible from the kingdom hall whenever they want to get or replace the old one?
Thanks.

Guy you've gotten the answer to your question: we don't sell Bibles.

So if there's no further questions please let the matter rest.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you've gotten the answer to your question: we don't sell Bibles.

So if there's no further questions please let the matter rest.

If that is correct. It is commendable sir. Keep it up. Let me confirm it and I will get back to you.
Thanks.

Steep:
what is the difference between Almighty God and God?
The bible says there is only one God not one Almighty God and another smaller god.

Explain Genesis 17:1.

immaculatesense:
What are the universe laws sir. Can you itemize some?
Thanks

Do not murder
Do not steal
Desist from idolatry as we are all God's spirit having a human experience
Honor/respect your parents
Do not bear false witness.
Do not have sex with any family members
Etc.

sonmvayina:
Do not murder
Do not steal
Desist from idolatry as we are all God's spirit having a human experience
Honor/respect your parents
Do not bear false witness.
Do not have sex with any family members
Etc.

Where did you read them from?

Truthseeker10:
Where did you read them from?

Told to me by my great grand father....and two elders in my town/village.
They say me down and told me why they are not acceptable in our society.

sonmvayina:
Do not murder
Do not steal
Desist from idolatry as we are all God's spirit having a human experience
Honor/respect your parents
Do not bear false witness.
Do not have sex with any family members
Etc.

Nice one sir.
Keep it up. That is the right path

sonmvayina:
Told to me by my great grand father....and two elders in my town/village.

So it's your village law therefore it's not binding on people globally!

sonmvayina:
Told to me by my great grand father....and two elders in my town/village.
They say me down and told me why they are not acceptable in our society.

Where did your great grandfather get them from?

Truthseeker10:
Where did your great grandfather get them from?

If it belongs to his great grandfather and it's wrong for people to go out preaching it to others that means it's within that village it's not binding on people living in other places nah!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you've gotten the answer to your question: we don't sell Bibles.

So if there's no further questions please let the matter rest.

Max
I have confirmed sir. And I must say Kudos to your organization for doing that. That is a very good and commendable thing to do.

immaculatesense:
Max
I have confirmed sir. And I must say Kudos to your organization for doing that. That is a very good and commendable thing to do.

If each person is to pay to own a copy of the Bibles in a family only two or three persons will have a copy but our brothers in other lands cater for their fellow believers in Africa {2 Corinthians 8:14} so they are ready to contribute so that all may have a copy of the SWORD of the spirit: God's word! Ephesians 6:17 compare to Luke 22:36

Steep:
what is the difference between Almighty God and God?
The bible says there is only one God not one Almighty God and another smaller god.

God is Almighty and Almighty God is God.

Truthseeker10:
Does the diagram you agree with Say that the "Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and christ" or that "God is the Holy spirit, The Son and The Father"?

There is no way the diagram can fully explain the mystery of trinity. It will take a whole book to do that. And, I will come up with one very soon.

immaculatesense:
Okay sir.
If we can agree on the following then, it means we are just speaking for the same thing in different forms.
1. The Father is God
2. The Son is God
3. Thw holy spirit is the spirit of God (Father and Son)
4. The Father is greater than the son.
5. The Son is subject to the Father.
6. The Son is supreme over all things except the Father.
7. The Father is supreme over all things including the Son.

Do we agree sir or are there still grey areas you don't agree?

Thanks.

Sure. You forgot one
The Father is equal to the Son in a context.

Jesus said, I and my Father are one.- John 10:30.

The Jews knew what he meant. So they said:

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

When they accused Jesus of making himself God, he didn't say that he was not. Rather, his further comment affirmed that Jesus is God. And he is one with him.

Even Paul wrote in his letter to the Philippian church that Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God - Philippians 2:6.

So, in a context, Jesus is equal with God. In another context, the Father is greater than Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
Hell is common grave of mankind Adam, Eve, Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses and Elijah are all in Hell so stop deceiving yourself!

In your common grave, people weep and gnash their teeth?

In your common grave, are there worms that do no die?

Does your common grave have a gate?. Jesus spoke about the gates of hell.

Can Satan who is a spirit being be buried in your common grave? Jesus said that hell was prepared for the devil and his Angels. So how would the devil enter your common grave?

You problem is pride. You have belived lies for so long that you don't want to admit it even in the face of overwhelming evidence of the scriptures that says otherwise.

Keep defending the lies of Russell and Rutherford. You will burn in hell if you don't repent.

Ken4Christ:
Sure. You forgot one
The Father is equal to the Son in a context.

Jesus said, I and my Father are one.- John 10:30.

The Jews knew what he meant. So they said:

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

When they accused Jesus of making himself God, he didn't say that he was not. Rather, his further comment affirmed that Jesus is God. And he is one with him.

Even Paul wrote in his letter to the Philippian church that Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God - Philippians 2:6.

So, in a context, Jesus is equal with God. In another context, the Father is greater than Jesus.

Good sir.
We have agreed sir. But let us look at the three verses you quoted because it seems they you did not look at them deeply sir. But I understand you perspectives which is good but let us look at the interpretation of those verses you mentioned.
1. John 10:30.
In this verse, Jesus was talking about unity in that verse sir. The oneness he mentioned about him and the father was about the unity that exists between him and the father. He is not saying that he is the Father but that him and the father are united (one). Remember John 17:21 that Jesus said "Make all of the (the church) one just as we (the Father and the son) are one." So, the oneness is about unity.

2. John 10:33.
The people were accusing Jesus of calling himself God because he called himself the son of God. Just like if a goat for instance called itself the son of a man, the goat is indirectly calling itself man. So, the Jews understand that Jesus calling himself the son of God shows that he claimed to be God. Jesus also confirm this in verse 36 where he rebuked them for being angry for calling himself the son of godt.
Jesus always call himself the son of God but the Jews understand that calling himself the son of God is the same as calling himself God.

3. Philippians 2:6
Form of God, meaning there is a God (Father) that Jesus has his form.
Equal with God which means that there is a God Jesus can be compared with.
So, this verse, Paul was trying to show the Philippians that this Jesus is the replica and image and fullness of the Father and that Jesus is not an ordinary being but one who has been exalted to the right hand of the day to receive the same honor and glory.

So, we agree on all these.
Thanks.