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Sibling rivalry at best.
That's what you expect from a disgruntled sibling, that felt relegated to the sidelines 😂😂😂

TenQ:
Mr ALISMILE

Please read the verses below and explain LOGICALLY why it is not SHIRK

Qur'an 48:9
"So that you may believe in Allah and His Messenger, and you may support him, and you may respect him, and you may glorify him in the morning and in the afternoon."
Qur'an 48:10
"Indeed, those who pledge allegiance to you, they are only pledging allegiance to Allah. The hand of Allah is above their hands. So whoever breaks his pledge, he only breaks it against himself, and whoever fulfills what he has covenanted with Allah, He will give him a great reward."



Do you obey Allah's injunction in the verse above?

Pray tell, how do you understand the above verse
What is your grouse about it?

ALISMILE:
Pray tell, how do you understand the above verse
What is your grouse about it?

Is Glorifying someone else other than Allah permissible in Islam?

Is this not Shirk?

And do you obey this command of Allah?

TenQ:
No problem.
Jesus told us not to swear by anything.


Mat 5:34-37:
"But I say to you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shall you swear by your head, because you can not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yes, yes; No, no: for whatever is more than these comes of evil."


I will take you by your words then

I didn’t swear by anything. I only asked that God punish me if I telling a lie

Swearing is when one says ‘I swear by so so and so’. I deliberately didn’t swear because it is also forbidden in Islam.

Lukuluku69:
Go and read Isaiah 42 and 60. Therein you will see the Allegiance, the glorification and praises for This Noble Prophet.

Am very sure he won't be gangraped by demons 🤣🤣🤣

Nor pressed on the neck three times🤣🤣🤣, nor die in the same manner he, himself, predicted 🤣🤣🤣 — credence to him this is one of his predictions that actually came true😂, Allah be praised🤣🤣.

No matter how hard you try you will always fall short!!!

You can never equate the character of Mohammed to the personage in that prophecy!!!

The bible was indeed right, by their fruits you shall know them🤣🤣🤣

TenQ:
Is Glorifying someone else other than Allah permissible in Islam?

Is this not Shirk?

And do you obey this command of Allah?

Okay, now I understand your question

There is a little misunderstanding from you about that verse
The person to be glorified specifically is Allah. Many other translations specifically mention Allah


Below is an I explanation I picked from ChatGPT (I believe ChatGPT should be more of an independent source)

Surah Al-Fath (The Victory), Ayah 9, emphasizes the following:

“That you [people] may believe in Allah and His Messenger and honor him and respect the Prophet and exalt Allah morning and afternoon.” 

Key Points:
1. Belief in Allah and His Messenger: The verse underscores the importance of faith in both Allah and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
2. Honoring and Respecting the Prophet: Believers are encouraged to support and revere the Prophet, acknowledging his esteemed position.
3. Exalting Allah: The verse encourages glorifying Allah consistently, during both morning and evening.

Truthseeker10:
Oga....the recipe for worldwide peace by the Koran is not working na. So if Christians are entering Muslims territory by force according to you, what is the korans's solution to that?

Thank you for agreeing that Christians are invading Muslim countries with their war machinery and disallowing peace

ALISMILE:
Thank you for agreeing that Christians are invading Muslim countries with their war machinery and disallowing peace

What about Muslims 🤣🤣🤣 acts of terrorism?🤨
What shall we call that? 🤔
Can't you not also see, the sarcastic undertone at play? 🤨

Answer the question at your own peril 😂😂😂.

You jumped into fire thinking you were saved, you even had to use chatGpt to provide a defense for his question 🤣🤣🤣.

You really don't know what you got yourself into 😂😂😂.

I will leave it to him, to serve you up!!! 🙃
If he fails, others will surely serve you🧐 myself included🙃!!!

Gabrielshow24:
What about Muslims 🤣🤣🤣 acts of terrorism?🤨
What shall we call that? 🤔
Can't you not also see, the sarcastic undertone at play? 🤨

Answer the question at your own peril 😂😂😂.

You jumped into fire thinking you were saved, you even had to use chatGpt to provide a defense for his question 🤣🤣🤣.

You really don't know what you got yourself into 😂😂😂.

I will leave it to him, to serve you up!!! 🙃
If he fails, others will surely serve you🧐 myself included🙃!!!

So I shouldn’t use ChatGPT even though it provides perfectly correct answer with perfectly accurate source and reference?

If you so much trust chatGPT, can I challenge you to ask it this Question
What are the names of the daughters of Hubal?


The answer will confirm to you that Allah is a pseudonym for Hubal!

Let me know your answer if you still trust chatGPT's answers (even though this is a true answer)

ALISMILE:
Okay, now I understand your question

There is a little misunderstanding from you about that verse
The person to be glorified specifically is Allah. Many other translations specifically mention Allah


Below is an I explanation I picked from ChatGPT (I believe ChatGPT should be more of an independent source)

Surah Al-Fath (The Victory), Ayah 9, emphasizes the following:

“That you [people] may believe in Allah and His Messenger and honor him and respect the Prophet and exalt Allah morning and afternoon.” 

Key Points:
1. Belief in Allah and His Messenger: The verse underscores the importance of faith in both Allah and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
2. Honoring and Respecting the Prophet: Believers are encouraged to support and revere the Prophet, acknowledging his esteemed position.
3. Exalting Allah: The verse encourages glorifying Allah consistently, during both morning and evening.

No sir. ChatGPT is NOT an independent source for Islam. ChatGPT wouldn't speak the truth whenever a fact conflict with the standard islamic narrative. For example , from Qur'an 19:71-72 ask the question: Will all Muslims initially enter the Fire of Hell at least temporarily before Allah removes them?

ChatGPT will say NO: and begin to use wrong translation ls of the Qur'an and the standard islamic narrative of the bridge of Sirat rather than speaking the truth.



So, You have only quoted the preferred Islamic narrative spewed from ChatGPT which is totally wrong. Have you noticed that the translation used by ChatGPT is also wrong?

Let me quote the real translation again. I will ask you to go into the Arabic and read it exactly as it is.

Qur'an 48:9
"So that you may believe in Allah and His Messenger, and you may support him, and you may respect him, and you may glorify him in the morning and in the afternoon."
Qur'an 48:10
"Indeed, those who pledge allegiance to you, they are only pledging allegiance to Allah. The hand of Allah is above their hands. So whoever breaks his pledge, he only breaks it against himself, and whoever fulfills what he has covenanted with Allah, He will give him a great reward."


From verse 9
That you may support him refers to Mohammed
That you may respect him refers to Mohammed
That you may Glorify him must also refers to Mohammed
Verse 10 is a continuation of verse 9
Those who pledge allegiance to you, they are only pledging allegiance to Allah refer to Mohammed



So, you will see that everything LOGICALLY refers to Mohammed. You should Glorify him morning and afternoon.


If you follow the verbs "assist," "honor," and "glorify" in verse 48:9 refer to the Prophet, based on Arabic grammar rules.

The problem is that Muslims are forbidden from asking questions, thus I honestly understand why you don't know this.



Can I show you another problematic verse of the Qur'an that your scholars try to change ?

ALISMILE:
So I shouldn’t use ChatGPT even though it provides perfectly correct answer with perfectly accurate source and reference?

Was that all you drew from my statements?
You seeking ChatGpt shows you don't have indepth knowledge.

You just jumped into a hole without knowing how deep it is😂😂. You are now asking ChatGpt while free falling, even that won't save you either 🙃.

By now you should have known the subtle message I passed across 🙃.

ALISMILE:
I didn’t swear by anything. I only asked that God punish me if I telling a lie

Swearing is when one says ‘I swear by so so and so’. I deliberately didn’t swear because it is also forbidden in Islam.

It is still swearing only this time by Allah and not by the figs or by the stars.

But no problem.

I just want you to study Islam very well as you may be following a religion while neglecting the true God.

I don't mind you asking me questions too: I will gladly oblige you.

But give me permission to prove any of your choice from the Omnipresence, Omnipotence and Omniscience of Allah that it isn't true!

TenQ:
It is still swearing only this time by Allah and not by the figs or by the stars.

But no problem.

I just want you to study Islam very well as you may be following a religion while neglecting the true God.

I don't mind you asking me questions too: I will gladly oblige you.

But give me permission to prove any of your choice from the Omnipresence, Omnipotence and Omniscience of Allah that it isn't true!

Let him know that Allah is a composite god!!! 🙃

Gabrielshow24:
Let him know that Allah is a composite god!!! 🙃

Let's hope he will be willing to adopt the Truth when he see's it.

TenQ:
It is still swearing only this time by Allah and not by the figs or by the stars.

But no problem.

I just want you to study Islam very well as you may be following a religion while neglecting the true God.

I don't mind you asking me questions too: I will gladly oblige you.

But give me [b]permission to prove any of your choice from the Omnipresence, Omnipotence and Omniscience of Allah that it isn't true![/b]

Go ahead please
I’m anxiously waiting

Gabrielshow24:
Was that all you drew from my statements?
You seeking ChatGpt shows you don't have indepth knowledge.

You just jumped into a hole without knowing how deep it is😂😂. You are now asking ChatGpt while free falling, even that won't save you either 🙃.

By now you should have known the subtle message I passed across 🙃.

I utilized ChatGPT to provide that response and intentionally informed you of this to emphasize the impartiality of the source. Had I offered answers based solely on my Islamic knowledge, you might have perceived them as biased.

ALISMILE:
I utilized ChatGPT to provide that response and intentionally informed you of this to emphasize the impartiality of the source. Had I offered answers based solely on my Islamic knowledge, you might have perceived them as biased.

You will still have fallen into the set trap🤨!!!
Whether you use your biased interpretation or not!!!

ALISMILE:
Go ahead please
I’m anxiously waiting

2. Allah is not Omnipresent?
The answer is NO!

Do you agree with the definition that
1. The term omnipresent refers to the state of being fully present everywhere in ALL space and at ALL times.

2. Do you also agree that Omnipresence is different from Omniscience



Let's pick them one by one.
Here lies the problem of Taoheed.

A. As a Muslim, can Allah enter his creation?
Can Allah be present in his creation?

If Allah cannot cannot enter his creation without becoming limited, then , he is not Omnipresent

B. Is Allah above the seventh heaven?
If Allah is above the seventh heaven, he cannot be simultaneously below it at the same time.

C. Can Allah enter a Toilet?
If he cannot, he cannot be Omnipresent!

D. Does Allah descend from the highest heavens to the Lowest heavens every third part of the night to hear your prayers?

If Allah descends, , then he cannot be simultaneously be at his throne in the topmost heaven.

E. If Allah can be seen by people's eyes, he may be big BUT certainly not Omnipresent.

Like, the sun is very big but because we can see it, it is not infinitely big.

If you need the hadiths that support each of these, I will gladly oblige you


Since you were a former Christian, I will need to ask you some basic questions
1. Is the throne of Allah ever EMPTY?
2. How did YHWH speak directly to prophets of God in the Bible but for Mohammed he spoke only through Jibril the most important message of the Qur'an?
3. Who is the Holy Spirit?

Gabrielshow24:
You will still have fallen into the set trap🤨!!!
Whether you use your biased interpretation or not!!!

Fall into what trap exactly?
I’m not seeing any ‘trap’ here!

TenQ:
2. Allah is not Omnipresent?
The answer is NO!

Do you agree with the definition that
1. The term omnipresent refers to the state of being fully present everywhere in ALL space and at ALL times.

2. Do you also agree that Omnipresence is different from Omniscience



Let's pick them one by one.
Here lies the problem of Taoheed.

A. As a Muslim, can Allah enter his creation?
Can Allah be present in his creation?

If Allah cannot cannot enter his creation without becoming limited, then , he is not Omnipresent

B. Is Allah above the seventh heaven?
If Allah is above the seventh heaven, he cannot be simultaneously below it at the same time.

C. Can Allah enter a Toilet?
If he cannot, he cannot be Omnipresent!

D. Does Allah descend from the highest heavens to the Lowest heavens every third part of the night to hear your prayers?

If Allah descends, , then he cannot be simultaneously be at his throne in the topmost heaven.

E. If Allah can be seen by people's eyes, he may be big BUT certainly not Omnipresent.

Like, the sun is very big but because we can see it, it is not infinitely big.

If you need the hadiths that support each of these, I will gladly oblige you


Since you were a former Christian, I will need to ask you some basic questions
1. Is the throne of Allah ever EMPTY?
2. How did YHWH speak directly to prophets of God in the Bible but for Mohammed he spoke only through Jibril the most important message of the Qur'an?
3. Who is the Holy Spirit?

Provide the Hadiths please
NB: Going forward, you don’t need to wait to ask me whether you should make reference to Hadith or Quran to back up your argument. It’s better to attach the references to your argument

ALISMILE:
Go ahead please
I’m anxiously waiting

2. Allah is not Omniscient?
This is easily done from the Qur'an itself.

Don't forget that we are LOGICALLY examining Islam thus we must be logical in our reasonings

Qur'an 18:60-82
Is it true that the young boy was killed by Al-Kidr because if he grows up, he would commit mischief on earth according to Qur'an 18:74, 18:80-81?

Is this knowledge of the Boy according to the Destiny of Allah?

TenQ:
2. Allah is not Omniscient?
This is easily done from the Qur'an itself.

Don't forget that we are LOGICALLY examining Islam thus we must be logical in our reasonings

Qur'an 18:60-82
Is it true that the young boy was killed by Al-Kidr because if he grows up, he would commit mischief on earth according to Qur'an 18:74, 18:80-81?

Is this knowledge of the Boy according to the Destiny of Allah?

My answer is yes
Devine wisdom often lies beyond human understanding.
The events illustrate that Allah’s wisdom governs all affairs, and what may seem unjust or inexplicable to humans has a purpose known to Allah alone.

ALISMILE:
My answer is yes
Devine wisdom often lies beyond human understanding.
The events illustrate that Allah’s wisdom governs all affairs, and what may seem unjust or inexplicable to humans has a purpose known to Allah alone.

Let him cook 🙃.
He is not yet done😉!

The trap was a logical trap, you can't escape the fact that you are to glorify Muhammad along with Allah😅.

It's as if the author of the Quran had Jesus in mind and mirrored Jesus greatly! but flesh took over 🤧!!!

ALISMILE:
Provide the Hadiths please
NB: Going forward, you don’t need to wait to ask me whether you should make reference to Hadith or Quran to back up your argument. It’s better to attach the references to your argument

The Location of Allah's throne

Sahih al-Bukhari 2790
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever believes in Allah and His Apostle, offer prayer perfectly and fasts the month of Ramadan, will rightfully be granted Paradise by Allah, no matter whether he fights in Allah's Cause or remains in the land where he is born." The people said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ! Shall we acquaint the people with the is good news?" He said, "Paradise has one-hundred grades which Allah has reserved for the Mujahidin who fight in His Cause, and the distance between each of two grades is like the distance between the Heaven and the Earth. So, when you ask Allah (for something), ask for Al-firdaus which is the best and highest part of Paradise." (i.e. The sub-narrator added, "I think the Prophet also said, 'Above it (i.e. Al-Firdaus) is the Throne of Beneficent (i.e. Allah), and from it originate the rivers of Paradise."



Mohammed even described it's distance showing that it is not a figurative narrative.

Sunan Ibn Majah 193
It was narrated that 'Abbas bin 'Abdul-Mutallib said:
"I was in Batha with a group of people, among them whom was the Messenger of Allah. A cloud passed over him, and he looked at it and said: 'What do you call this?' They said: 'Sahab (a cloud).' He said: 'And Muzn (rain cloud).' They said: 'And Muzn.' He said: 'And 'Anan (clouds).' Abu Bakr said: "They said: 'And 'Anan.'" He said: 'How much (distance) do you think there is between you and the heavens?' They said: 'We do not know.' He said: 'Between you and it is seventy-one, or seventy-two, or seventy-three years, and there is a similar distance between it and the heaven above it (and so on)' until he counted seven heavens. 'Then above the seventh heaven there is a sea, between whose top and bottom is a distance like that between one heaven and another. Then above that there are eight (angels in the form of) mountain goats. The distance between their hooves and their knees is like the distance between one heaven and the next. Then on their backs is the Throne, and the distance between the top and the bottom of the Throne is like the distance between one heaven and another. Then Allah is above that, the Blessed and Exalted."



Allah descends to the lowest heaven every third part of the Night
Sahih Muslim 758 e
Abu Sa'id and Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: Allah waits till when one-third of the first part of the night is over; He descends to the lowest heaven and says: It there any supplicator of forgiveness? Is there any penitant? Is there any petitioner (for mercy and favour)? Is there any solicitor? -till it is daybreak.

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3498
Abu Hurairah narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: “Our Lord descends every night to the nearest heaven, until the last third of the night remains, so He says: ‘Who is calling upon Me so that I may answer him? Who is asking from Me so that I may give him? And who is seeking forgiveness from Me, so that I may forgive him.’”

If Allah descends, it must be from somewhere else. This Allah is not Omnipresent



Can Allah be seen by people after resurrection?
Sunan Ibn Majah 177
It was narrated that Jarir bin 'Abdullah said:
"We were sitting with the Messenger of Allah. He looked at the moon, which was full, and said, 'Indeed, you will see your Lord as you see this moon. You will not feel the slightest inconvenience and overcrowding in seeing Him. If you have the power not to be overcome and to say this prayer before the sun rises and before it sets, then do that.' Then he recited: "And glorify the praises of your Lord, before the rising of the sun and before (its) setting."

Sahih al-Bukhari 573
Narrated Jarir bin `Abdullah: We were with the Prophet (ﷺ) on a full moon night. He looked at the moon and said, "You will certainly see your Lord as you see this moon, and there will be no trouble in seeing Him. So if you can avoid missing (through sleep, business, etc.) a prayer before the rising of the sun (Fajr) and before its setting (`Asr) you must do so. He (the Prophet (ﷺ) ) then recited the following verse: And celebrate the praises Of Your Lord before The rising of the sun And before (its) setting." (50.39)




I am sure that you know that whatever one can see is definitely FINITE .
Whatever is FINITE cannot be OMNIPRESENT








.Since you were a former Christian, I will need to ask you some basic questions
1. Is the throne of Allah ever EMPTY?
2. How did YHWH speak directly to prophets of God in the Bible but for Mohammed he spoke only through Jibril the most important message of the Qur'an?
3. Who is the Holy Spirit?

Gabrielshow24:
Let him cook 🙃.
He is not yet done😉!

The trap was a logical trap, you can't escape the fact that you are to glorify Muhammad along with Allah😅.

It's as if the author of the Quran had Jesus in mind and mirrored Jesus greatly! but flesh took over 🤧!!!

The verse didn’t say anyone should glorify the prophet

Read the verse below

Surah Al-Fath (The Victory), Ayah 9
“That you [people] may believe in Allah and His Messenger and honor him and respect the Prophet and exalt Allah morning and afternoon.”

ALISMILE:
My answer is yes
Devine wisdom often lies beyond human understanding.
The events illustrate that Allah’s wisdom governs all affairs, and what may seem unjust or inexplicable to humans has a purpose known to Allah alone.

Are you aware that
If Allah claimed that the boy would do mischief in the FUTURE, Allah was wrong!?
Why?
Allah should know that Al-Kidr will kill the boy AND he would never grow old enough to commit mischief.

So, what did Allah know of a fact about this boy?

2. Secondly, what did the Angels write in the destiny of this boy?
A. Was it that he would die young? or
B. He would grow up and commit mischief ?




You can see how the knowledge of Allah breaks down by what he wrote in the Qur'an.





If in Islam you believe that Allah knows EVERYTHING, why dies he used the phrase "maybe" or "may" both which connotes UNCERTAINTY in the outcome of occurrences.

Examples
Surah Al-Tawbah (9:102):
"It may be that Allah will pardon them..." Here, "may be" reflects Allah's mercy and the possibility of forgiveness.

Surah Al-Isra (17:79):
"...It may be that your Lord will raise you to a praised station." This expresses hope for an elevated status.

Surah Al-Ahzab (33:24):
"...so that Allah may reward the truthful for their truthfulness..." Again, "may" indicates the possibility of reward based on deeds.

If Destiny of Allah is TRUE, then maybe doesn't exist!

TenQ:
The Location of Allah's throne

Sahih al-Bukhari 2790
Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever believes in Allah and His Apostle, offer prayer perfectly and fasts the month of Ramadan, will rightfully be granted Paradise by Allah, no matter whether he fights in Allah's Cause or remains in the land where he is born." The people said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ! Shall we acquaint the people with the is good news?" He said, "Paradise has one-hundred grades which Allah has reserved for the Mujahidin who fight in His Cause, and the distance between each of two grades is like the distance between the Heaven and the Earth. So, when you ask Allah (for something), ask for Al-firdaus which is the best and highest part of Paradise." (i.e. The sub-narrator added, "I think the Prophet also said, 'Above it (i.e. Al-Firdaus) is the Throne of Beneficent (i.e. Allah), and from it originate the rivers of Paradise."



Mohammed even described it's distance showing that it is not a figurative narrative.

Sunan Ibn Majah 193
It was narrated that 'Abbas bin 'Abdul-Mutallib said:
"I was in Batha with a group of people, among them whom was the Messenger of Allah. A cloud passed over him, and he looked at it and said: 'What do you call this?' They said: 'Sahab (a cloud).' He said: 'And Muzn (rain cloud).' They said: 'And Muzn.' He said: 'And 'Anan (clouds).' Abu Bakr said: "They said: 'And 'Anan.'" He said: 'How much (distance) do you think there is between you and the heavens?' They said: 'We do not know.' He said: 'Between you and it is seventy-one, or seventy-two, or seventy-three years, and there is a similar distance between it and the heaven above it (and so on)' until he counted seven heavens. 'Then above the seventh heaven there is a sea, between whose top and bottom is a distance like that between one heaven and another. Then above that there are eight (angels in the form of) mountain goats. The distance between their hooves and their knees is like the distance between one heaven and the next. Then on their backs is the Throne, and the distance between the top and the bottom of the Throne is like the distance between one heaven and another. Then Allah is above that, the Blessed and Exalted."



Allah descends to the lowest heaven every third part of the Night
Sahih Muslim 758 e
Abu Sa'id and Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: Allah waits till when one-third of the first part of the night is over; He descends to the lowest heaven and says: It there any supplicator of forgiveness? Is there any penitant? Is there any petitioner (for mercy and favour)? Is there any solicitor? -till it is daybreak.

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3498
Abu Hurairah narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: “Our Lord descends every night to the nearest heaven, until the last third of the night remains, so He says: ‘Who is calling upon Me so that I may answer him? Who is asking from Me so that I may give him? And who is seeking forgiveness from Me, so that I may forgive him.’”

If Allah descends, it must be from somewhere else. This Allah is not Omnipresent



Can Allah be seen by people after resurrection?
Sunan Ibn Majah 177
It was narrated that Jarir bin 'Abdullah said:
"We were sitting with the Messenger of Allah. He looked at the moon, which was full, and said, 'Indeed, you will see your Lord as you see this moon. You will not feel the slightest inconvenience and overcrowding in seeing Him. If you have the power not to be overcome and to say this prayer before the sun rises and before it sets, then do that.' Then he recited: "And glorify the praises of your Lord, before the rising of the sun and before (its) setting."

Sahih al-Bukhari 573
Narrated Jarir bin `Abdullah: We were with the Prophet (ﷺ) on a full moon night. He looked at the moon and said, "You will certainly see your Lord as you see this moon, and there will be no trouble in seeing Him. So if you can avoid missing (through sleep, business, etc.) a prayer before the rising of the sun (Fajr) and before its setting (`Asr) you must do so. He (the Prophet (ﷺ) ) then recited the following verse: And celebrate the praises Of Your Lord before The rising of the sun And before (its) setting." (50.39)




I am sure that you know that whatever one can see is definitely FINITE .
Whatever is FINITE cannot be OMNIPRESENT








.Since you were a former Christian, I will need to ask you some basic questions
1. Is the throne of Allah ever EMPTY?
2. How did YHWH speak directly to prophets of God in the Bible but for Mohammed he spoke only through Jibril the most important message of the Qur'an?
3. Who is the Holy Spirit?

In Islamic theology, Allah’s nature transcends human comprehension, and discussions about His attributes, such as omnipresence and His Throne (’Arsh), are approached with humility and adherence to scriptural sources.

Allah’s Throne (’Arsh):

The Qur’an mentions that Allah established Himself above the Throne:

“The Most Merciful [who is] above the Throne established.” 

This verse signifies Allah’s sovereignty and authority over all creation.

Understanding Omnipresence:

Islamic scholars caution against attributing physical presence to Allah within His creation, as this may imply limitations. Instead, they emphasize that while Allah’s knowledge, power, and authority encompass everything, He is distinct from His creation. Imam Tahawi stated:

“He is independent of the Throne and that which is beneath it.” 

ALISMILE:
In Islamic theology, Allah’s nature transcends human comprehension, and discussions about His attributes, such as omnipresence and His Throne (’Arsh), are approached with humility and adherence to scriptural sources.

Allah’s Throne (’Arsh):

The Qur’an mentions that Allah established Himself above the Throne:

“The Most Merciful [who is] above the Throne established.” 

This verse signifies Allah’s sovereignty and authority over all creation.

Understanding Omnipresence:

Islamic scholars caution against attributing physical presence to Allah within His creation, as this may imply limitations. Instead, they emphasize that while Allah’s knowledge, power, and authority encompass everything, He is distinct from His creation. Imam Tahawi stated:

“He is independent of the Throne and that which is beneath it.” 

I am showing you by your Islamic Books what it says and not what your Islamic scholars prefer as narrative.

Remember that we are speaking about LOGIC and not sentiments.

If someone is above, is it logical that he is simultaneously below !?

If your prophet spoke of the distance between the heavens and the earth, should I treat it as important or I should neglect it for what your Islamic scholars prefer ?


So, you can see why Islam fails on the altar of reason and logic!

I am sorry if this hurts your feelings, but I must also commend your maturity in the discussions.bI wanted you to be careful of Islamic scholars preferred narratives. Many times, they are completely untrue fabrications.

Taoheed is actually the big problem that prevents the Allah of Muslims from being Omnipotent and Omnipresent



Since you were a former Christian, I will need to ask you some basic questions
1. Is the throne of Allah ever EMPTY?
2. How did YHWH speak directly to prophets of God in the Bible but for Mohammed he spoke only through Jibril the most important message of the Qur'an?
3. Who is the Holy Spirit?

TenQ:
Are you aware that
If Allah claimed that the boy would do mischief in the FUTURE, Allah was wrong!?
Why?
Allah should know that Al-Kidr will kill the boy AND he would never grow old enough to commit mischief.

So, what did Allah know of a fact about this boy?

2. Secondly, what did the Angels write in the destiny of this boy?
A. Was it that he would die young? or
B. He would grow up and commit mischief ?




You can see how the knowledge of Allah breaks down by what he wrote in the Qur'an.





If in Islam you believe that Allah knows EVERYTHING, why dies he used the phrase "maybe" or "may" both which connotes UNCERTAINTY in the outcome of occurrences.

Examples
Surah Al-Tawbah (9:102):
"It may be that Allah will pardon them..." Here, "may be" reflects Allah's mercy and the possibility of forgiveness.

Surah Al-Isra (17:79):
"...It may be that your Lord will raise you to a praised station." This expresses hope for an elevated status.

Surah Al-Ahzab (33:24):
"...so that Allah may reward the truthful for their truthfulness..." Again, "may" indicates the possibility of reward based on deeds.

If Destiny of Allah is TRUE, then maybe doesn't exist!

Regarding why Allah let the boy be born even though he wasn’t going to grow up to old age: For us Muslims this life is test! The birth of the boy may have been to test the parents one way or another

Also, regarding the use of maybe in Quran 9:102 Allah addresses individuals who have acknowledged their sins, having mixed righteous deeds with wrongful ones. The verse states:

“And there are others who have acknowledged their sins. They had mixed a righteous deed with another that was bad. Perhaps Allah will turn to them in forgiveness. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” 

The Arabic term “ʿasā” translated as “perhaps” or “it may be,” is used here. In human language, “perhaps” often indicates uncertainty. However, when Allah uses this term in the Qur’an, it signifies and assurance encouraging the sinners to seek sincere repentance. This expression serves to encourage believers to repent sincerely, assuring them of Allah’s readiness to accept their repentance. Islamic scholars interpret “ʿasā” in such contexts as a promise from Allah, emphasizing His attributes of forgiveness and mercy. 

Therefore, in this verse, “perhaps” does not denote uncertainty on Allah’s part but rather assures repentant believers of His forgiveness and mercy.

TenQ:
I am showing you by your Islamic Books what it says and not what your Islamic scholars prefer as narrative.

Remember that we are speaking about LOGIC and not sentiments.

If someone is above, is it logical that he is simultaneously below !?

If your prophet spoke of the distance between the heavens and the earth, should I treat it as important or I should neglect it for what your Islamic scholars prefer ?


So, you can see why Islam fails on the altar of reason and logic!

I am sorry if this hurts your feelings, but I must also commend your maturity in the discussions.bI wanted you to be careful of Islamic scholars preferred narratives. Many times, they are completely untrue fabrications.

Taoheed is actually the big problem that prevents the Allah of Muslims from being Omnipotent and Omnipresent



Since you were a former Christian, I will need to ask you some basic questions
1. Is the throne of Allah ever EMPTY?
2. How did YHWH speak directly to prophets of God in the Bible but for Mohammed he spoke only through Jibril the most important message of the Qur'an?
3. Who is the Holy Spirit?

Allah is not limited to his His creation
Allah created the heavens, so Allah cannot be limited to the heavens. Allah existed before He created the heavens. Allah does not have to be inside His creation to know what is inside of him.
Allah sees all things

ALISMILE:
Regarding why Allah let the boy be born even though he wasn’t going to grow up to old age: For us Muslims this life is test! The birth of the boy may have been to test the parents one way or another

Remember we are looking at LOGIC and REASON for judgment.

Destiny refers to what was written down for a person before he was born.

You didn't answer my questions!
What did the Angels write in the destiny of this boy?
A. Was it that he would die young? or
B. He would grow up and commit mischief ?

This is where you will find the TRUTH and not what Islamic scholars preferred narratives is?

ALISMILE:
Also, regarding the use of maybe in Quran 9:102 Allah addresses individuals who have acknowledged their sins, having mixed righteous deeds with wrongful ones. The verse states:

“And there are others who have acknowledged their sins. They had mixed a righteous deed with another that was bad. Perhaps Allah will turn to them in forgiveness. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” 

The Arabic term “ʿasā” translated as “perhaps” or “it may be,” is used here. In human language, “perhaps” often indicates uncertainty. However, when Allah uses this term in the Qur’an, it signifies and assurance encouraging the sinners to seek sincere repentance. This expression serves to encourage believers to repent sincerely, assuring them of Allah’s readiness to accept their repentance. Islamic scholars interpret “ʿasā” in such contexts as a promise from Allah, emphasizing His attributes of forgiveness and mercy. 

Therefore, in this verse, “perhaps” does not denote uncertainty on Allah’s part but rather assures repentant believers of His forgiveness and mercy.

You will notice that Islamic scholars noticed the problem caused by the word like Perhaps, Maybe, Possibly, It's possible, Could be, Might, May or "It may be" especially when used by God himself.

Unfortunately, there is still a major problem
1. The Qur'an is supposed to be in plain unambiguous and clear Arabic: Isn't it?
Qur'an 26:195 or Qur'an 43:3
Meaning that we shouldn't need hundreds of Tafsirs to understand What Allah is actually saying.
2. Allah never once said that whenever he uses the word Perhaps or Maybe etc it means other than exactly what he is saying.
The explanations are words of men put to panel-beat the clear verses of the Qur'an.



You very well know that it is LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE that words like Maybe or Perhaps would signifies assurance encouraging the sinners to seek sincere repentance.

One of my favourite test of Arabic words is to pick the Arabic word and use them in normal day to day words. I am usually surprised at lies scholars use to interpret the Qur'an.

ALISMILE:
Allah is not limited to his His creation
Allah created the heavens, so Allah cannot be limited to the heavens. Allah existed before He created the heavens. Allah does not have to be inside His creation to know what is inside of him.
Allah sees all things

Your scholars say Allah is ABOVE all his creation. Unfortunately, this makes him not Omnipresent.

You still didn't answer my Questions

I will need to ask you some basic questions as a former Christian
1. Is the throne of Allah ever EMPTY?
2. How did YHWH speak directly to prophets of God in the Bible but for Mohammed he spoke only through Jibril the most important message of the Qur'an?
3. Who is the Holy Spirit?

Truths are discovered when the right questions are asked and answered