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Religion can be understood as a complex system that encompasses various elements, including Beliefs, practices, community, Sacred text and moral framework!

How can any sane person claim that the God of the Bible started no religion? Are there no beliefs, practices, community, sacred texts and moral frameworks develeping everywhere in the Bible?

I don't need to argue with an ignoramus. You need to read further with a more open mind!

MaxInDHouse:
Do Israelites pray for the dead?

delkuf:
i have explain Christianity to you. You just don't want to accept the truth. We cannot be going back and forth on this. Christianity is living like Christ. People saw Christ in the disciples that why they call them Christ like-christian. There is no where it was written expressly that Jesus is a Christian if that is what you want. But Christian came out from Christ.
Jesus fit into Christianity because it was his behavior they saw in the disciples that make them call them Christian. The disciples lived like Christ. Talked like him and even performed miracles like him. I don't know what else you need to proof that Jesus was indeed Christianity. Without Jesus there is no Christianity. Stop hiding and except the truth.

Kingsempires:
I meant Jehovah witness. Are they Muslim?

Kingsempires:
oga make I show you the meaning of christian because you are really go on a wrong track on the definition of christian

Antichristian2:
We are not Israelites but Muslims!

Antichristian2:
Just as Budhism is a follower of the mentality of Budha!

But most Christians follow Paul than Jesus as Paul wrote over 48% of the NT.

Moreso, how do you follow Jesus when Jesus's life in the Bible is less than 10 years from his so-called 33years?

Antichristian2:
How did Christ lived?

In your Bible Christ's life started from birth then nothing was mentioned till around he was 12 years then till he was 30-33 years! The Bible was foccused mainly on his birth and last three years!

Is this normal to you?

Can you follow someone for just some 5 years out of his 33years on earth?
Reason am well na!

Kingsempires:
that is your own mentality about christian ok if you use this logic that means Muslim are following the teachings of Mohammed not Allah. Because nor of the prophets,disciples etc bow their heads towards mecca, it was never forbidden for them to call God father, the never participate in child marriage etc. so which teaching are you guys following is it Mohammed teaching or Allah teaching. Why I am asking is because I noticed you just contradict yourself 🙁

GothamCities:
The whole Bible is all about Jesus from Genesis to Revelation. The New Testament was about the promised work of salvation that God has accomplished for man. That salvation is Jesus. The Bible is not a book on the history of Jesus but on God's plan of salvation which was fulfilled in Jesus Christ. We know Jesus, not by His physical life but by His spiritual life, especially after the cross. All true christians have intimate relationship with Jesus even today. We relate with Him daily and get to know Him more and more every single day of our lives. Far beyond the 5 yr history you're majoring on. You can't know Jesus by knowing His physical life or history . Even from His 100yrs of history, you still can't know Jesus.

Antichristian2:
That's the JAMB question!

I get your point!

Antichristian2:
Islam is the culture of Naoh's people as ONLY Noah came from his place of origin, only him worshipped Allah as a prophet, only him call people to Allah for many years and saved people in the Ark during the flood! No other prophet saved people through a flood!

Antichristian2:
Islam is also the culture of Abraham's people as ONLY Abraham came from his place of origin, only him worshipped Allah as a prophet, only him and his son build, circumbulated and worship in and around the kaaba and many more!

This can be framed for many other Prophets too!

Antichristian2:
You asked the JAMB question first by saying there should a prophet from a place before another Prophet would come from there.

So tell us which Prophet preceded Abraham and Noah from their respective places?

RightChannel:
I don't think you get my point

Is there any prophet that came from Saudi Arabia aside Muhammad? Or Noah and Abraham, are they from Saudi Arabia?

RightChannel:
Did Noah a Muslim that worshipped allah as you said never obliged to the five pillars of Islam?

Can you show us where it is written either in quran or hadith that Abraham with his son circumbulated and worship in and around the kaaba while undressed or half naked?

delkuf:
the Lord Jesus lived for the cross. He is the son of God who came to world to die for sins of mankind.
I don't know how you think. So you want the Bible to give every detail account of Jesus from year one till he died. They gave the account of how Jesus was born, how he lived as a child and how he died but that is not enough. They should write everything about him. Just stop already

Kingsempires:
that is your own mentality about christian ok if you use this logic that means Muslim are following the teachings of Mohammed not Allah. Because nor of the prophets,disciples etc bow their heads towards mecca, it was never forbidden for them to call God father, the never participate in child marriage etc. so which teaching are you guys following is it Mohammed teaching or Allah teaching. Why I am asking is because I noticed you just contradict yourself 🙁

MaxInDHouse:
Do servants of God in ancient times you called Muslims pray for the dead?

Antichristian2:
Yes, for you to be a true Christ follower you should indeed know more than half of his life.

But what do you know from the Bible?

Jesus at birth!

Jesus at 12

Jesus at 30-33.

And you are a Christian!

Antichristian2:
What is clear is that Noah called people to worship one God and refrain from idolatry. He called his people to the submission to the will of Allah.

Allah sent Noah to his people to call them to worship Allah Alone:
“Indeed, We sent Noah to his people and he said: ‘O my people! Worship Allah! You have no other Ilah (God) but Him. (La ilaha ill Allah: none has the right to be worshipped but Allah.) Certainly, I fear for you the torment of a Great Day!’” [al-A’raf 7:59 – interpretation of the meaning]

So anyone among the people of Noah who obeys Noah in truth till he died will die as a Muslim. They have their way of worship!

Antichristian2:
What clothes were they on in their time in the Bible?

Antichristian2:
Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And (remember) when Ibraaheem (Abraham) and (his son) Ismaa’eel (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka‘bah at Makkah), (saying), ‘Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower’” [al-Baqarah 2:127]

Antichristian2:
“and We commanded Ibrahim (Abraham) and Ismail (Ishmael) that they should purify My House (the Ka‘bah at Makkah) for those who are circumambulating it, or staying (I’tikaf), or bowing or prostrating themselves (there, in prayer).” [al-Baqarah 2:125]

Antichristian2:
“And (remember) when We showed Ibrahim (Abraham) the site of the (Sacred) House (the Ka‘bah at Makkah) (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me, (La ilaha ill-Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah Islamic Monotheism), and sanctify My House for those who circumambulate it, and those who stand up for prayer, and those who bow (submit themselves with humility and obedience to Allah), and make prostration (in prayer, etc.).” [al-Hajj 22:26]

MaxInDHouse:
The Christ must be slaughtered for our sins to be removed:

Who has put faith in the thing heard from us? And as for the arm of Jehovah, to whom has it been revealed? He will come up like a twig before him, like a root out of parched land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; And when we see him, his appearance does not draw us to him. He was despised and was avoided by men, A man who was meant for pains and was familiar with sickness. It was as if his face were hidden from us. He was despised, and we held him as of no account. Truly he himself carried our sicknesses, And he bore our pains. But we considered him as plagued, stricken by God and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgression; He was crushed for our errors. He bore the punishment for our peace, And because of his wounds we were healed. Like sheep we have all wandered about, Each has turned his own way, And Jehovah has caused the error of us all to meet up with him. He was oppressed and he let himself be afflicted, But he would not open his mouth. He was brought like a sheep to the slaughter, Like a ewe that is silent before its shearers, And he would not open his mouth. Because of restraint and judgment he was taken away; And who will concern himself with the details of his generation? For he was cut off from the land of the living; Because of the transgression of my people he received the stroke. And he was given a burial place with the wicked, And with the rich in his death, Although he had done no wrong And there was no deception in his mouth. Isaiah 53:1-9

delkuf:
I don't know of Judasim, but in Christianity, repentance of is only through the Lord Jesus. Cornelius in the Bible was a good man. He was doing good, giving alms but it was not enough to save him. God sees that if he died like that, he can't make heaven. So the Spirit of God told him send for Peter so that he can preach the gospel of Christ for him. Only then can Cornelius truly repent and be saved.
Stop comparing Christianity with Islam or Judaism or Buddhism. In Christianity remission of sin is through the blood and water of the Lord Jesus

delkuf:
the God of the Bible. The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

MaxInDHouse:
Who cares what a Jew thinks?
Let them first practice what they believe so that everyone can see the benefits nah, whether the person is Jew or not it makes no sense as long as they can't do something that's beneficial for all to see!

MaxInDHouse:
How do you convince people around you that there is a God they need to repair their relationship with and how do think it could be done globally?

sonmvayina:
You are not the judge...or are you?
They are following the divine precepts...
And living righteously.
They don't need to knock on doors.

sonmvayina:
Sincere repentance. Let your actions show it. God says, he would forgive. That is ok for me. Do good deeds. You think God does not know about the capabilities of man?

Antichristian2:


All Prophets are brothers. It's like a race. Muhammad ran the last lap but it is one race all from Allah! All those forms of worship you mentioned are not even relevant.

Allah commanded Adam not to eat from the tree in the garden. Must Allah also order other Prophets not to eat apple too?

Allah ordered Abraham to kill his son? Who else did Allah ordered to kill his son?

Allah ordered Noah to build an Ark. Who else did Allah ordered to build an Ark?

So the command may the different but the similarities is the total submission to will of Allah!

I didn't contradict myself.

How old was Eve in your Bible when Adam married her?
How old were the virgin slaves in Numbers 31 that was preserved for Yahweh and the warriors after their families were killed?

Kingsempires:
so now your point is that Muslim tradition continuously change? Ok ooo so I want to know if I submit myself to one God but didn't participate in Islam tradition am I Muslim 🤔

RightChannel:
And there is no record of whom Noah preached to that accepted allah and Islam right?

They never dressed half naked as you always do when circumbulating kaaba

They raised the foundations is the context of this verse, they never circumbulate it!

The context here says they should purified the shrine of kaaba for those that will circumbulate it. It is not written that Abraham and his son circumbulate it half naked!

Allah and his partners showed Ibrahim the site of kaaba and sanctify his house for those that will circumbulate it, why did allah failed to show Ibrahim how to circumbulate it half naked?

MaxInDHouse:
So what are you doing here if everyone supposed to know these things without you, your ancestors, your village people or Jews?

MaxInDHouse:
It's like you don't understand yourself.

On the other thread you said these laws were given to you by your village people and your ancestors so are you now saying Jews taught your ancestors?

sonmvayina:
It is within us. It is not in the stars or In the skies.
Where our ancestors not keeping all the laws before the coming of the white men? No stealing. They even use stones to tell people the cost of their goods. When they come back, it will be correct. Adultery and prostitution was very very rare.....it they have dispute they have a court where they are settled, either in the obi or obas palace...and his ruling is final .(Much like the sahendrin. Etc. we don't gather to show people we are keeping the laws. There was relative peace in the land. Until the white men came and peace ran away from us. And we started demonizing our roots.
See where it has lead us to...

sonmvayina:
God gave his laws to everybody.
Every culture on earth. Not only the Jews.