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TenQ:
Your scholars say Allah is ABOVE all his creation. Unfortunately, this makes him not Omnipresent.

You still didn't answer my Questions

I will need to ask you some basic questions as a former Christian
1. Is the throne of Allah ever EMPTY?
2. How did YHWH speak directly to prophets of God in the Bible but for Mohammed he spoke only through Jibril the most important message of the Qur'an?
3. Who is the Holy Spirit?

Truths are discovered when the right questions are asked and answered

Describing God’s Throne as “empty” reflects an attempt to comprehend divine matters through a human lens. Such anthropomorphic interpretations are discouraged in Islamic theology, which emphasizes that Allah is beyond human attributes and limitations. The Qur’an cautions against likening Allah to His creation:

“There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.”

Therefore, attributing human emotions like loneliness to Allah is inappropriate. Allah’s Throne (Arsh) signifies His absolute authority and majesty, not a physical seat subject to human conditions.

Furthermore, Allah communicates with His prophets in ways that befit His wisdom and transcendence, free from human constraints.

The Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel

ALISMILE:
Describing God’s Throne as “empty” reflects an attempt to comprehend divine matters through a human lens. Such anthropomorphic interpretations are discouraged in Islamic theology, which emphasizes that Allah is beyond human attributes and limitations. The Qur’an cautions against likening Allah to His creation:

“There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing.”

Unfortunately, this isn't what your prophet taught.
-Allah says he has two hands
-Allah has a Shin
-Allah has a foot
-Allah has two Eyes
-Allah has a throne carried by 8 angels who look like mountain goats
-The difference between the Dajjal and Allah seems to be the eyes.

This looks like things we see around us as Allah has a Shape.

Denying what has been made plain as above changes NOTHING. It's like an ostrich burying its head in the sand.
Anthropomorphic interpretations may be discouraged but it is because of trying to AVOID realities!

ALISMILE:
Therefore, attributing human emotions like loneliness to Allah is inappropriate. Allah’s Throne (Arsh) signifies His absolute authority and majesty, not a physical seat subject to human conditions.

If the throne of Allah represents his power and majesty, can you tell me what the 8 mountain goats or angels were carrying?
Can angels carry God's majesty and authority?

But Allah seem to share so many human emotions with us.
Love Quran 3:159, Qur'an 2:222
Anger Qur'an 48:6, Qur'an 7:152
Mercy and Compassion Qur'an 1:3
Forgiveness Quran 39:53
Displeasure Qur'an 39:7

We even share human attributes with Allah
Knowledge
Wisdom
Justice
Forgiveness
Mercy
Generosity

You can see that Allah shares so many emotions and attributes with us humans, thus it is escaping reality to claim avoiding human emotions to Allah.

Muslim scholars will rather hide the truth than deal with it.

ALISMILE:
Furthermore, Allah communicates with His prophets in ways that befit His wisdom and transcendence, free from human constraints.

This wasn't the question.
How did YHWH speak directly to prophets of God in the Bible but for Mohammed he spoke only through Jibril the most important message of the Qur'an?

Moses spoke to God face to face, if Mohammed is anything close to Moses, why Allah never spoke to him.


The Jews ask Mohammed a simple Question to test his prophet-hood. They asked "What about the spirit?" (Because Every major prophet relates with the Holy Spirit)

But Mohammed did not know the Answer and from that time the Jews mocked Mohammed (to their detriment). Till today, the Question has not been answered. Even Allah seem not to know the answer!

Qur'an 17:85
And they ask you about the Spirit. Say, 'The Spirit is of the command of my Lord, and you have not been given knowledge except a little.'


There are major theological problems with this answer
1. Jibril could not have been the Holy Spirit
2. Allah being cannot blow Jibril into Adam: so, what is a spirit since Allah isn't a spirit
3. Both the Jews and Christians know that God is a Spirit (RUACH -Hebrew, RUH -Arabic)

ALISMILE:
The Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel

If you were ever a Christian, you will know that this answer is WRONG
1. Is Jesus a Spirit according to Allah?
2. Did Allah anywhere in the Qur'an call Jibril a Spirit?
3. Jibril is an Angel: In Islam are Angels spirits? No!
4. Allah blew of his spirit (RUH) into Adam, are you saying that Allah blew Jibril into Adam?



You can see the problems of Muslims: they never ask Questions that will lead them to the Truth and Salvation.


Why is it that SALVATION is uncertain in Islam
1. I hope you know that Even Muslim babies can go to hell in Islam?
2. I hope you know that ALL Muslims with no exception will first enter Hell fire for an undetermined time before Allah removes you.



You may ask me any question and I will oblige you sir.

TenQ:
Unfortunately, this isn't what your prophet taught.
-Allah says he has two hands
-Allah has a Shin
-Allah has a foot
-Allah has two Eyes
-Allah has a throne carried by 8 angels who look like mountain goats
-The difference between the Dajjal and Allah seems to be the eyes.

This looks like things we see around us as Allah has a Shape.

Denying what has been made plain as above changes NOTHING. It's like an ostrich burying its head in the sand.
Anthropomorphic interpretations may be discouraged but it is because of trying to AVOID realities!


If the throne of Allah represents his power and majesty, can you tell me what the 8 mountain goats or angels were carrying?
Can angels carry God's majesty and authority?

But Allah seem to share so many human emotions with us.
Love Quran 3:159, Qur'an 2:222
Anger Qur'an 48:6, Qur'an 7:152
Mercy and Compassion Qur'an 1:3
Forgiveness Quran 39:53
Displeasure Qur'an 39:7

We even share human attributes with Allah
Knowledge
Wisdom
Justice
Forgiveness
Mercy
Generosity

You can see that Allah shares so many emotions and attributes with us humans, thus it is escaping reality to claim avoiding human emotions to Allah.

Muslim scholars will rather hide the truth than deal with it.



This wasn't the question.
How did YHWH speak directly to prophets of God in the Bible but for Mohammed he spoke only through Jibril the most important message of the Qur'an?

Moses spoke to God face to face, if Mohammed is anything close to Moses, why Allah never spoke to him.


The Jews ask Mohammed a simple Question to test his prophet-hood. They asked "What about the spirit?" (Because Every major prophet relates with the Holy Spirit)

But Mohammed did not know the Answer and from that time the Jews mocked Mohammed (to their detriment). Till today, the Question has not been answered. Even Allah seem not to know the answer!

Qur'an 17:85
And they ask you about the Spirit. Say, 'The Spirit is of the command of my Lord, and you have not been given knowledge except a little.'


There are major theological problems with this answer
1. Jibril could not have been the Holy Spirit
2. Allah being cannot blow Jibril into Adam: so, what is a spirit since Allah isn't a spirit
3. Both the Jews and Christians know that God is a Spirit (RUACH -Hebrew, RUH -Arabic)



If you were ever a Christian, you will know that this answer is WRONG
1. Is Jesus a Spirit according to Allah?
2. Did Allah anywhere in the Qur'an call Jibril a Spirit?
3. Jibril is an Angel: In Islam are Angels spirits? No!
4. Allah blew of his spirit (RUH) into Adam, are you saying that Allah blew Jibril into Adam?



You can see the problems of Muslims: they never ask Questions that will lead them to the Truth and Salvation.


Why is it that SALVATION is uncertain in Islam
1. I hope you know that Even Muslim babies can go to hell in Islam?
2. I hope you know that ALL Muslims with no exception will first enter Hell fire for an undetermined time before Allah removes you.



You may ask me any question and I will oblige you sir.

With all due respect to you, you are making claims about things you know nothing about

ALISMILE:
With all due respect to you, you are making claims about things you know nothing about

ALISMILE:
Islam is spreading because it’s the only logical religion that provides logical answers to every question, and also because it is the only religion that is able to withstand any objective scrutiny by all the standards

Since you were a former Christian, I ask you to show me what you consider about the Christian Faith illogical or irrational and I will do my best to answer you.


You may ask me any question and I will oblige you sir.


I am waiting!

ALISMILE:
Thank you for agreeing that Christians are invading Muslim countries with their war machinery and disallowing peace

I am asking based on your statement. What is the Koran's solution to your statement of Christians invading Muslims countries? How can worldwide peace be achieved?

Lukuluku69:
My Understanding of the Word Peace for the whole World is actually unattainable. The World have warred Thousands of Years before the Arabian Prophet.

A Research even at Kindergarten Level will tell you that.

World Peace can be achieved if we All respect each other, less Greed and Greedy beings in the world.

So the Koran does not provide lasting and attainable solution to wars on earth?

Lukuluku69:
If I may ask, what is the Recipe for Worldwide Peace according to the Scripture you believed in.

I am ready to learn, unlearn and relearn stuff.

I don't know. That is why I'm asking you what the Koran has to say.

Truthseeker10:
So the Koran does not provide lasting and attainable solution to wars on earth?

Lasting attainable solutions to war on this Planet?

Can that be ever achieved? I have done some bits of reading Books in my Time on this Planet, I don't think there is a Book that talked about a lasting attainable solution/s to Wars on this Planet.

If there is one, please share with me .

Lukuluku69:
Lasting attainable solutions to war on this Planet?

Can that be ever achieved? I have done some bits of reading Books in my Time on this Planet, I don't think there is a Book that talked about a lasting attainable solution/s to Wars on this Planet.

If there is one, please share with me .

So the Koran says that there can never be a time of worldwide peace on earth?

Truthseeker10:
So the Koran says that there can never be a time of worldwide peace on earth?

Lol

No Book says that.

The Peace in Islam is between you and your Creator and Creations.

You are here to toil and this present dispensation is Temporary and Empheral.

Good and Evil will always be at loggerheads.

Lukuluku69:
Lol

No Book says that.

The Peace in Islam is between you and your Creator and Creations.

You are here to toil and this present dispensation is Temporary and Empheral.

Good and Evil will always be at loggerheads.

Why am I here to toil?

So where will there be an absent of evil?

Lukuluku69:
Lol

No Book says that.

The Peace in Islam is between you and your Creator and Creations.

You are here to toil and this present dispensation is Temporary and Empheral.

Good and Evil will always be at loggerheads.

🤣🤣🤣Coming from those that should lie in wait for the infidels😅😅

Truthseeker10:
Why am I here to toil?

So where will there be an absent of evil?

There won't be absence of Evil because God created BOTH The Good and Evil. As long as we are here there will always be Good and Evil.

Then He set a Standard which you must follow. When you follow that Standard in form of God's Law, you resist Evil. That's when you become a Child of God and if you like a Servant of God. You can not be a Child/Servant if you ignore God's Law/Ways.

Jesus says resist/flee from Evil and if perchance you succumb to evil inclinations, you repent.

All of these are beautifully explained in Islam, I would have copy copiously from the Quran but you don't believe in it.

As for the Toil and Toiling, read the Bible you can fail to see it. Ignore the Letters and appeal to the sense in the scripture.

TenQ:
Unfortunately, this isn't what your prophet taught.
-Allah says he has two hands
-Allah has a Shin
-Allah has a foot
-Allah has two Eyes
-Allah has a throne carried by 8 angels who look like mountain goats
-The difference between the Dajjal and Allah seems to be the eyes.

This looks like things we see around us as Allah has a Shape.

Denying what has been made plain as above changes NOTHING. It's like an ostrich burying its head in the sand.
Anthropomorphic interpretations may be discouraged but it is because of trying to AVOID realities!


If the throne of Allah represents his power and majesty, can you tell me what the 8 mountain goats or angels were carrying?
Can angels carry God's majesty and authority?

But Allah seem to share so many human emotions with us.
Love Quran 3:159, Qur'an 2:222
Anger Qur'an 48:6, Qur'an 7:152
Mercy and Compassion Qur'an 1:3
Forgiveness Quran 39:53
Displeasure Qur'an 39:7

We even share human attributes with Allah
Knowledge
Wisdom
Justice
Forgiveness
Mercy
Generosity

You can see that Allah shares so many emotions and attributes with us humans, thus it is escaping reality to claim avoiding human emotions to Allah.

Muslim scholars will rather hide the truth than deal with it.



This wasn't the question.
How did YHWH speak directly to prophets of God in the Bible but for Mohammed he spoke only through Jibril the most important message of the Qur'an?

Moses spoke to God face to face, if Mohammed is anything close to Moses, why Allah never spoke to him.


The Jews ask Mohammed a simple Question to test his prophet-hood. They asked "What about the spirit?" (Because Every major prophet relates with the Holy Spirit)

But Mohammed did not know the Answer and from that time the Jews mocked Mohammed (to their detriment). Till today, the Question has not been answered. Even Allah seem not to know the answer!

Qur'an 17:85
And they ask you about the Spirit. Say, 'The Spirit is of the command of my Lord, and you have not been given knowledge except a little.'


There are major theological problems with this answer
1. Jibril could not have been the Holy Spirit
2. Allah being cannot blow Jibril into Adam: so, what is a spirit since Allah isn't a spirit
3. Both the Jews and Christians know that God is a Spirit (RUACH -Hebrew, RUH -Arabic)



If you were ever a Christian, you will know that this answer is WRONG
1. Is Jesus a Spirit according to Allah?
2. Did Allah anywhere in the Qur'an call Jibril a Spirit?
3. Jibril is an Angel: In Islam are Angels spirits? No!
4. Allah blew of his spirit (RUH) into Adam, are you saying that Allah blew Jibril into Adam?



You can see the problems of Muslims: they never ask Questions that will lead them to the Truth and Salvation.


Why is it that SALVATION is uncertain in Islam
1. I hope you know that Even Muslim babies can go to hell in Islam?
2. I hope you know that ALL Muslims with no exception will first enter Hell fire for an undetermined time before Allah removes you.



You may ask me any question and I will oblige you sir.

Of all types of prophets that we should believe they want us to believe in the fraud, Mohammed.

The most suicidal person ever written about.
Every small thing, he wanted to toss himself over the mountain tops 🤣🤣🤣.

His first impression of his own vision was demonic🤣🤣🤣.

Jibril gave him a scare, he ran back to his wife😅.
I wonder where Gabriel did such in the bible🤤.
It took his wife and her cousin to convince him that it was from "Allah" and it wasn't demonic as he had thought 🤣🤣🤣.

They deceived the idiot and he too in return deceived 1.6billion idiots!!!

Imagine receiving visions from Allah and convulsing😂😂😂.

Even Allah self dumb, telling an illiterate to read when he couldn't read🥲, shey Allah no sabi sey he no fit read.

Islam and lies 5 & 6.
Imagine the abridged story of Moses and the rolling rock🤣🤣🤣, David and the 99 sheep, Isa's birthplace and even pharaoh's supposed conversion to Islam😂😂😂.

They make Allah look incapable, then when boxed in the corner they start claiming "Allah knows best"!!!

Lukuluku69:
There won't be absence of Evil because God created BOTH The Good and Evil. As long as we are here there will always be Good and Evil.

Then He set a Standard which you must follow. When you follow that Standard in form of God's Law, you resist Evil. That's when you become a Child of God and if you like a Servant of God. You can not be a Child/Servant if you ignore God's Law/Ways.

Jesus says resist/flee from Evil and if perchance you succumb to evil inclinations, you repent.

All of these are beautifully explained in Islam, I would have copy copiously from the Quran but you don't believe in it.

As for the Toil and Toiling, read the Bible you can fail to see it. Ignore the Letters and appeal to the sense in the scripture.

So are you saying that God is responsible for the evil in the world today?

Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that God is responsible for the evil in the world today?

The Evil in the World today are numerous to start with. We can't even finish talking about it in a year's time if we delve into it.

When I say God created Evil, I do not mean God created Greed and Greedy tendencies in people. Or that there is irreligiousity or that the world lacked Faith in the supreme Deity etc. Those are what the depraved human souls yarn after.

Jesus is reported to have said that Offences (Evil tendencies) will abound but woe to him who causes these Offences.

The Wars you are witnessing or have witnessed are as a result of Men ambition and Glory seeking. It never started with Islam or Muslims. Every Civilization have warred on time or the other. Even Jesus was reported to have said that had he come to establish an Earthly Kingdom, his disciples would have stood firm and fight rather than deserting in and flee wholesale.

Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that God is responsible for the evil in the world today?

Men are responsible of course.

Greed, Avarice, Bestiality, Homosexuality, irreligiousity, Chauvinism, Gross Materialism etc are Men Evil desires.

Read Ecclesiastes. Then ponder over the messages in that Book.

Gabrielshow24:
Of all types of prophets that we should believe they want us to believe in the fraud, Mohammed.

The most suicidal person ever written about.
Every small thing, he wanted to toss himself over the mountain tops 🤣🤣🤣.

His first impression of his own vision was demonic🤣🤣🤣.

Jibril gave him a scare, he ran back to his wife😅.
I wonder where Gabriel did such in the bible🤤.
It took his wife and her cousin to convince him that it was from "Allah" and it wasn't demonic as he had thought 🤣🤣🤣.

They deceived the idiot and he too in return deceived 1.6billion idiots!!!

Imagine receiving visions from Allah and convulsing😂😂😂.

Even Allah self dumb, telling an illiterate to read when he couldn't read🥲, shey Allah no sabi sey he no fit read.

Islam and lies 5 & 6.
Imagine the abridged story of Moses and the rolling rock🤣🤣🤣, David and the 99 sheep, Isa's birthplace and even pharaoh's supposed conversion to Islam😂😂😂.

They make Allah look incapable, then when boxed in the corner they start claiming "Allah knows best"!!!

Islam is the greatest deception in the history of this world. Mr Mohammed is the Antichrist who makes Muslims worship Hubal the moon god.

Muslims will do anything including fabricating lies to make Islam have a sense of relationship with the true God.

The spirit of Deceit and Deception has clawed up their brains that they "mumushiously" follow falsehood that common sense would have freed them from

Lukuluku69:
Men are responsible of course.

Greed, Avarice, Bestiality, Homosexuality, irreligiousity, Chauvinism, Gross Materialism etc are Men Evil desires.

Read Ecclesiastes. Then ponder over the messages in that Book.

But you told me that God creates Good and evil....so when a person commit evil, is he not doing what God created him to do?

Lukuluku69:
The Evil in the World today are numerous to start with. We can't even finish talking about it in a year's time if we delve into it.

When I say God created Evil, I do not mean God created Greed and Greedy tendencies in people. Or that there is irreligiousity or that the world lacked Faith in the supreme Deity etc. Those are what the depraved human souls yarn after.

Jesus is reported to have said that Offences (Evil tendencies) will abound but woe to him who causes these Offences.

The Wars you are witnessing or have witnessed are as a result of Men ambition and Glory seeking. It never started with Islam or Muslims. Every Civilization have warred on time or the other. Even Jesus was reported to have said that had he come to establish an Earthly Kingdom, his disciples would have stood firm and fight rather than deserting in and flee wholesale.

So how did Men begin to do evil?

Truthseeker10:
But you told me that God creates Good and evil....so when a person commit evil, is he not doing what God created him to do?

That God created it doesn't mean you should indulge in it when clearly you are informed not to do it.

Flee from Evil says the Nazarene, shun Evil says the Arabian Prophet and many other Teachers of Old.

So, when a person commits Evil, he is only doing what his soul whispered to him and him doing that Evil he only excercise the Free Will God granted him .

Lukuluku69:
That God created it doesn't mean you should indulge in it when clearly you are informed not to do it.

Flee from Evil says the Nazarene, shun Evil says the Arabian Prophet and many other Teachers of Old.

So, when a person commits Evil, he is only doing what his soul whispered to him and him doing that Evil he only excercise the Free Will God granted him .

So what exactly is the evil that God created?

Truthseeker10:
So how did Men begin to do evil?

The first Evil Man committed was in the Garden. Man's Disobedience. Then he was banished for a while. That's why we are here. God will still restore us to that perfect State after the Toil in this Prison Planet.

This is not home. We are here to serve a prison term.

After Death, real Life begins...

Truthseeker10:
So what exactly is the evil that God created?

I can Only assume. ONLY God knows Best.

Natural disasters, Loss of livelihood, Trials of this World which can come up in many forms

Truthseeker10:
So what exactly is the evil that God created?

Make your pick.

Lukuluku69:
I can Only assume. ONLY God knows Best.

Natural disasters, Loss of livelihood, Trials of this World which can come up in many forms

So the above that you listed that claims innocents lives is not created by God?

Lukuluku69:
The first Evil Man committed was in the Garden. Man's Disobedience. Then he was banished for a while. That's why we are here. God will still restore us to that perfect State after the Toil in this Prison Planet.

This is not home. We are here to serve a prison term.

After Death, real Life begins...

Did God see and know the day and time that the man would commit evil in the Garden before creating the man?

Truthseeker10:
So the above that you listed that claims innocents lives is not created by God?

God created EVERYTHING. And He CAN TAKE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING.

The one we in human Languages we call Innocent Lives is neither here nor there.

God does what He Wills. He can take a 2 tear old while an 100 year old is begging to Die.

To everything is a Time appointed.

[quote author=Truthseeker10 post=134561535]Did God see and know the day and time that the man would commit evil in the Garden before creating the man?[/quote


Of course He does!

The knowledge of everything is with Him.

Lukuluku69:
Of course He does!

The knowledge of everything is with Him.

So why did God still create the man after seeing that the man he is to create will commit evil on a particular day that God has destined?

Lukuluku69:
God created EVERYTHING. And He CAN TAKE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING.

The one we in human Languages we call Innocent Lives is neither here nor there.

God does what He Wills. He can take a 2 tear old while an 100 year old is begging to Die.

To everything is a Time appointed.

So again I ask you, is God responsible for all the sufferings in the world today? Yes or no?

Truthseeker10:
So why did God still create the man after seeing that the man he is to create will commit evil on a particular day that God has destined?

Because He Wills it!

What is more is that God now allows for a TURNING/REPENTANCE for Man even when Man stumbles .

That's what it means to be born anew. In Islam it is called TAUBAH. TURNING to Allah in sincere Repentance