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Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by RightChannel: 8:45pm On Mar 16, 2025
Antichristian2:
What about those that entered the ark with him? Are they not Muslims?
Who are they, what is there personality, can you name them, any evidence from Qur'an or hadith on this?


Antichristian2:
Bible verses please?
Of what? Bible condemned exposing of body





Antichristian2:
So people would be taking care of a place of worship but wouldn't worship in it? If your dad builds a church can we ask you if he prays in it or not?
Then show me where it is written that Abraham and his son worshipped kaaba and circumbulated it half naked
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by delkuf(m): 4:32am On Mar 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
No, they believe Jesus is an Angel.

They are disbelievers in Islam.
kai even Muslim knows that jw are devilish. Maxindhouse see your live
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by delkuf(m): 4:41am On Mar 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
Just as Budhism is a follower of the mentality of Budha!

But most Christians follow Paul than Jesus as Paul wrote over 48% of the NT.

Moreso, how do you follow Jesus when Jesus's life in the Bible is less than 10 years from his so-called 33years?
because Paul wrote 48 percent of the NT testament doesn't mean we follow him more Jesus. Our faith as Christian is only in Jesus. We don't believe in any other person but Jesus not even Paul.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Kingsempires(m): 6:57am On Mar 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
The Islamic traditional is as set by Allah for each of the Prophet. What makes them all Muslims is their total submission to Allah and His pure worship without partners. They worshipped Allah how he legislated and follows His commands.

I have answered this many times. In the time of Noah, the people of Noah will follow Noah as he was sent by Allah. Whoever disbelieves in Noah will be a disbeliever.

In the time of Jesus, his people must follow him as he was sent to them by Allah. Whoever disbelieves in Jesus then will be a disbeliever.

In our time, Muhammad is the final prophet for mankind and Jinns as he was sent by Allah. Whoever disbelieves in him is a disbeliever.
ok ooo I have understood smiley
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:30am On Mar 17, 2025
delkuf:
kai even Muslim knows that jw are devilish. Maxindhouse see your live
Tell him "Jesus is Lord" and listen to what he will tell you afterwards! cheesy
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:39am On Mar 17, 2025
sonmvayina:
Isaiah 53 is talking about a suffering servant. 8 times prior to chapter 53, Isaiah already told you who the servant is. Why are you still pulling it out? The servant of God is Israel/Jacob. See Isaiah 45:1-7.
You are really not learning anything.
When was Jacob killed for the error of other people? cheesy
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by delkuf(m): 7:49am On Mar 17, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Tell him "Jesus is Lord" and listen to what he will tell you afterwards! cheesy
he said jw are disbelievers. I love that word. Even Muslim knows that jw are devilish and from the pit of hell
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:52am On Mar 17, 2025
delkuf:
he said jw are disbelievers. I love that word. Even Muslim knows that jw are devilish and from the pit of hell
You are just fooling yourself to a Muslim you too are a disbeliever since you don't believe in Muhammad! wink
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by delkuf(m): 10:09am On Mar 17, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
You are just fooling yourself to a Muslim you too are a disbeliever since you don't believe in Muhammad! wink
he didn't say that about Christians. He said jw are disbelievers.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:41am On Mar 17, 2025
delkuf:
he didn't say that about Christians. He said jw are disbelievers.
Continue fooling yourself.
I was a Muslim and from what we were taught you all are disbelievers since you don't accept Muhammad.
Ask him if that's a lie! smiley
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by delkuf(m): 10:44am On Mar 17, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Continue fooling yourself.
I was a Muslim and from what we were taught you all are disbelievers since you don't accept Muhammad.
Ask him if that's a lie! smiley
he didn't say that about Christians. It was Jw he referred to
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:22pm On Mar 17, 2025
delkuf:
he didn't say that about Christians. It was Jw he referred to
You amuses me.
How old are you?
That's the same thing Muslims believe when talking about all religionists that rejects their Muhammad. cheesy
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Kingsempires(m): 12:28pm On Mar 17, 2025
delkuf:
he said jw are disbelievers. I love that word. Even Muslim knows that jw are devilish and from the pit of hell
guy this thread is not about JWs you are adding an argument to another argument you are adding more feather to antichristian undecided
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:35pm On Mar 17, 2025
Kingsempires:
guy this thread is not about JWs you are adding an argument to another argument you are adding more feather to antichristian undecided
Some people are just dumb, a Muslim said something against a religion and that makes delkuf happy.
Isn't that delusional? grin
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 12:40pm On Mar 17, 2025
delkuf:
because Paul wrote 48 percent of the NT testament doesn't mean we follow him more Jesus. Our faith as Christian is only in Jesus. We don't believe in any other person but Jesus not even Paul.
Paul never met Jesus alive. But you believe Paul met Jesus as a light after Jesus left. The remaining 11 disiples Jesus left altogether couldn't write up to what Paul alone wrote.

Can't you see?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 12:45pm On Mar 17, 2025
RightChannel:
Who are they, what is there personality, can you name them, any evidence from Qur'an or hadith on this?
They are Muslims. We don't need their names. We just need to believe they existed. You can search the Qur'an for the news!

Of what? Bible condemned exposing of body
Where? Show us what Abraham and Ishmael were puting on with Bible verses?


Then show me where it is written that Abraham and his son worshipped kaaba and circumbulated it half naked
Even if i give you 100 verses you'll still continue on the path to Jahannam that you are on. Abraham and Ishmael did raise the foundation of the kaaba. Both of them were Prophets of Allah. Both worshipped Allah as He wanted them to.

And Muslims follow their path of not Joining partners with Allah! They were not trinitarians!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Kingsempires(m): 12:49pm On Mar 17, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Some people are just dumb, a Muslim said something against a religion and that makes delkuf happy.
Isn't that delusional? grin
this is the second time I am seeing this kind of thing on a thread, mixing up an argument this thread is a Muslim/christian debate but now it is now turning to Christian/christian debate 😂 men!!! Nairaland is filled with dramas 😂
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:07pm On Mar 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
Paul never met Jesus alive. But you believe Paul met Jesus as a light after Jesus left. The remaining 11 disiples Jesus left altogether couldn't write up to what Paul alone wrote. Can't you see?
Jesus came to gather only the twelve tribes of Israel for the assignment God gave that nation {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} so they were supposed to take the message to other nations so that people from other nations may be saved through them {Zechariah 8:23; Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8} but the Israelites as a nation rejected Jesus as the promised Messiah (Christ) so God condemned their nation {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} that's why Jesus told his 12 apostles to focus on the Jews more perhaps there could be some who may later repent and join the race but since the assignment is bigger than what the few Jews who accepted Jesus could do and there are proselytes who are ready to do the work Jesus assigned Paul to organize them and teach them because he (Paul) is well educated and enlightened much more than the other Jewish apostles! Act 9:15; Romans 11:13; 1Timothy 2:7

That is why he wrote letters to Christians in all the lands where he was able to gather anointed (born again) Christians to become part of the appointed number that will rule with Christ Jesus! Revelations 14:1

His letters to anointed Christians in:
*Rome
*Corinth
*Galatia
*Ephesus
*Philipi
*Colossea
*Thessalonica
*Timothy
*Titus
*Philemon
And finally to his brothers who felt he is no longer relating with them.
*Hebrews
So that's why he is more active than all other apostles and if anyone doesn't agree with Paul's letter know today that such a person is not recognized by Jesus who appointed Paul to serve as apostle for the nations! smiley
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:09pm On Mar 17, 2025
Kingsempires:
this is the second time I am seeing this kind of thing on a thread, mixing up an argument this thread is a Muslim/christian debate but now it is now turning to Christian/christian debate 😂 men!!! Nairaland is filled with dramas 😂
They don't know what they are doing.

The Muslim doesn't care as long as he is able to rubbish the Bible or apostles but trust true Christians we know how to set matters straight no matter how anyone wants to mix it up!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 1:11pm On Mar 17, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
Jesus came to gather only the twelve tribes of Israel for the assignment God gave that nation {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} so they were supposed to take the message to other nations so that people from other nations may be saved through them {Zechariah 8:23; Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8} but the Israelites as a nation rejected Jesus as the promised Messiah (Christ) so God condemned their nation {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} that's why Jesus told his 12 apostles to focus on the Jews more perhaps there could be some who may later repent and join the race but since the assignment is bigger than what the few Jews who accepted Jesus could do and there are proselytes who are ready to do the work Jesus assigned Paul to organize them and teach them because he (Paul) is well educated and enlightened much more than the other Jewish apostles! Act 9:15; Romans 11:13; 1Timothy 2:7

That is why he wrote letters to Christians in all the lands where he was able to gather anointed (born again) Christians to become part of the appointed number that will rule with Christ Jesus! Revelations 14:1

His letters to anointed Christians in:
*Rome
*Corinth
*Galatia
*Ephesus
*Philipi
*Colossea
*Thessalonica
*Timothy
*Titus
*Philemon
And finally to his brothers who felt he is no longer relating with them.
*Hebrews
So that's why he is more active than all other apostles and if anyone doesn't agree with Paul's letter know today that such a person is not recognized by Jesus who appointed Paul to serve as apostle for the nations! smiley
Grandpa, enough with the lies of JW.org and from the Governing body of JW in NY city!

Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.” Matthew 15:24 Same Jesus wey dey do miracles up and down to israelites con start to dey avoid the cannanite woman!
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by delkuf(m): 1:55pm On Mar 17, 2025
Kingsempires:
guy this thread is not about JWs you are adding an argument to another argument you are adding more feather to antichristian undecided
guy both jw and Muslim they are devilish and occultist. So don't they are to be seen as the same.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by delkuf(m): 1:57pm On Mar 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
Paul never met Jesus alive. But you believe Paul met Jesus as a light after Jesus left. The remaining 11 disiples Jesus left altogether couldn't write up to what Paul alone wrote.

Can't you see?
is not met. Jesus spoke to Paul through the light. So it is a different thing
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 3:27pm On Mar 17, 2025
delkuf:
is not met. Jesus spoke to Paul through the light. So it is a different thing
Where was Jesus in the Light Paul saw?

Was Jesus light when he was on earth? And why didn't he met Paul while on earth?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:45pm On Mar 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
Grandpa, enough with the lies of JW.org and from the Governing body of JW in NY city!
Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.” Matthew 15:24 Same Jesus wey dey do miracles up and down to israelites con start to dey avoid the cannanite woman!
This is clear evidence of what i told you!

Jesus' mission is to gather only humble Jews who have been waiting patiently for the Messiah so it's these ones that will go and spread his message to the world! smiley
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 3:54pm On Mar 17, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
This is clear evidence of what i told you!

Jesus' mission is to gather only humble Jews who have been waiting patiently for the Messiah so it's these ones that will go and spread his message to the world! smiley
The children of Israel are spread around but the fact remains that Jesus was sent only to the Israelites.

How are you a Christian? Is your lineage of the Jacob line?

Jesus said clearly he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:56pm On Mar 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
The children of Israel are spread around but the fact remains that Jesus was sent only to the Israelites. How are you a Christian? Is your lineage of the Jacob line? Jesus said clearly he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.
I explained already but you said it's lie. smiley

Jesus' mission is to gather humble Jews who will in turn go to other lands and spread his message.
WHY?
Because the message he brought can only make sense to humble people! smiley
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by Antichristian2(op): 3:59pm On Mar 17, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
I explained already but you said it's lie. smiley

Jesus' mission is to gather humble Jews who will in turn go to other lands and spread his message.
WHY?
Because the message he brought can only make sense to humble people! smiley
Do you mean the lost sheep of Israel Jesus meant included the humble people in Nigeria?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:04pm On Mar 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
Do you mean the lost sheep of Israel Jesus meant included the humble people in Nigeria?
If you want to go literal regarding that statement then you should have applied Jesus words to domestic pets not humans.
Lost sheep of the house of Israel means humble people among the Israelites! smiley
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by RightChannel: 5:51pm On Mar 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
They are Muslims. We don't need their names. We just need to believe they existed. You can search the Qur'an for the news!
You don't need their names and you should belive they exist. Bible mention their names but never called them Muslims, so why is your own story different from what Muhammad copied from Bible


Antichristian2:
Where? Show us what Abraham and Ishmael were puting on with Bible verses?
Bible talks about modestly in dressing, it never encourage dressing half naked as you do in Islam while circumbulating kaaba, you aren't different from idolatrous exposing their body when worshipping their gods




Antichristian2:
Even if i give you 100 verses you'll still continue on the path to Jahannam that you are on. Abraham and Ishmael did raise the foundation of the kaaba. Both of them were Prophets of Allah. Both worshipped Allah as He wanted them to.
They raised your foundation but never circumbulated the shrine while exposing their bodies, how are they Muslims without fulfilling 5 pillars of islam?


Antichristian2:
And Muslims follow their path of not Joining partners with Allah! They were not trinitarians!
Which path of Abraham are you following? Though you are following the path of Ishmael I think you know his story with his criminalities

We read many places where allah refer to himself using OURS, WE, US, etc who are the partners of allah on this regards?
Re: Why Does Jesus Have To Die To Save Humanity? by sonmvayina(m): 8:38pm On Mar 17, 2025
MaxInDHouse:
When was Jacob killed for the error of other people? cheesy
https://aish.com/isaiah_53_the_suffering_servant/
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