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I would like to ask to ask, after the death of the Lord Jesus when he resurrected, he told Mary mardalene in John 20:17
"Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to your brethren, snd say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God".
Jesus told Mary that he ascend to his Father and our Father, my God and your God. My question now is, WHEN THE LORD JESUS ASCENDED DID HE DECEND TO EARTH AGAIN. Did he came back to earth

delkuf:
I would like to ask to ask, after the death of the Lord Jesus when he resurrected, he told Mary mardalene in John 20:17
"Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to your brethren, snd say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God".
Jesus told Mary that he ascend to his Father and our Father, my God and your God. My question now is, WHEN THE LORD JESUS ASCENDED DID HE DECEND TO EARTH AGAIN. Did he came back to earth

“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

He is no longer in the body they knew so it's in heaven when himself and his born again brothers assemble again is when they will have the privilege to do all that they used to do together again.

That's what he meant!

MaxInDHouse:
“Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

He is no longer in the body they knew so it's in heaven when himself and his born again brothers assemble again is when they will have the privilege to do all that they used to do together again.

That's what he meant!

I am not asking what he meant. I am asking if the Lord Jesus ascend to my Father and your Father, did he decend back to earth again. Very simple

delkuf:
I am not asking what he meant. I am asking if the Lord Jesus ascend to my Father and your Father, did he decend back to earth again. Very simple

If you call an African man and he say "i'm coming" does it mean he is moving towards you?

The language Jesus spoke wasn't English so if you don't care to know what he meant then you can't know what he did.

delkuf:
I... My question now is, WHEN THE LORD JESUS ASCENDED DID HE DECEND TO EARTH AGAIN. Did he came back to earth

See what I am saying?

Something has gone wrong with you.

I think you are about to become what people call atheist.

Are you feeling like God has left you? for you are behaving like one who God has left and you are no longer sure of the things you knew and thought you believed.

That is why you have gone off track and now you are asking questions the answers of which you knew before.

But now you don't know.

And now you are searching for what is not missing or does not exist.

Now your belief in salvation by mere simple John 3:16 is killing you.

And that is why you going berserk.

I hope it is not too late but it is a fact that
"He does not believe that does not live according to his belief". Sigmund Freud

U mean when he met saul/Paul on his way to Damascus?

MaxInDHouse:
If you call an African man and he say "i'm coming" does it mean he is moving towards you?

The language Jesus spoke wasn't English so if you don't care to know what he meant then you can't know what he did.

does this answer the question

delkuf:
does this answer the question

Excellently!
Jesus didn't go anywhere until the day he bids farewell to the earth by ascending to the heavens before then he kept preparing his faithful friends for the task ahead.

MaxInDHouse:
Excellently!
Jesus didn't go anywhere until the day he bids farewell to the earth by ascending to the heavens before then he kept preparing his faithful friends for the task ahead.

And I ask when Jesus ascended to heaven did he decend to earth again. It is a very simple question. Yes or no. Did he decended to earth again after he ascended. No long grammer

delkuf:
And I ask when Jesus ascended to heaven did he decend to earth again. It is a very simple question. Yes or no. Did he decended to earth again after he ascended. No long grammer

OK let me leave you with your brethren i'm sure you will appreciate their responses.
Thanks for your time!

MaxInDHouse:
OK let me leave you with your brethren i'm sure you will appreciate their responses.
Thanks for your time!

I like the fact that didn't have the answer and you are leaving out. Thanks for your efforts. What if I tell you that the Lord Jesus decended after he ascended to heaven. What will your response be

delkuf:
I like the fact that didn't have the answer and you are leaving out. Thanks for your efforts. What if I tell you that the Lord Jesus decended after he ascended to heaven. What will your response be

Continue with your brethren after all it's them you want not me!

MaxInDHouse:
Continue with your brethren after all it's them you want not me!

haaaaaa. I don't want anybody. I only speak against those that try to twist the gospel of Christ and bring it to no infect

delkuf:
haaaaaa. I don't want anybody. I only speak against those that try to twist the gospel of Christ and bring it to no infect

Just as some also say you are twisting the word of God so continue with them because i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses no matter what you say if you can't present any group practicing it you are one of those billions contradicting themselves out there!

MaxInDHouse:
Just as some also say you are twisting the word of God so continue with them because i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses no matter what you say if you can't present any group practicing it you are one of those billions contradicting themselves out there!

ok. At least we are on the page today

delkuf:
ok. At least we are on the page today

You and i can never ever be on the same page.
I know this is CERTAIN!

MaxInDHouse:
You and i can never ever be on the same page.
I know this is CERTAIN!

that is because what you believe is contrary to the gospel of Christ

delkuf:
that is because what you believe is contrary to the gospel of Christ

Let me see if there is anyone who agrees with you on the same teaching nah!

MaxInDHouse:
Let me see if there is anyone who agrees with you on the same teaching nah!

am not looking for anyone to agree with me. You think I care what other people think. I know what the Father has taught me so I don't care about others

delkuf:
am not looking for anyone to agree with me. You think I care what other people think. I know what the Father has taught me so I don't care about others

This is exactly what billions out there are saying so that each of you claims that God is teaching you directly leading you people into contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.
You say they aren't teaching the true gospel and they are saying the same thing.
So that's why i don't care whatever you say as long as you can't present a group unitedly upholding the same line of thought just as Jesus said {John 17:22} and as his apostles said {1Corinthans 1:10} to me you are all blindfolded by the same person {2 Corinthians 4:4} the spirit of God doesn't promote confusion rather it brings peace among true believers! 1Corinthans 14:33
Today only my own church speak with one voice and are doing the will of one God globally! John 17:17

MaxInDHouse:
This is exactly what billions out there are saying so that each of you claims that God is teaching you directly leading you people into contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.
You say they aren't teaching the true gospel and they are saying the same thing.
So that's why i don't care whatever you say as long as you can't present a group unitedly upholding the same line of thought just as Jesus said {John 17:22} and as his apostles said {1Corinthans 1:10} to me you are all blindfolded by the same person {2 Corinthians 4:4} the spirit of God doesn't promote confusion rather it brings peace among true believers! 1Corinthans 14:33
Today only my own church speak with one voice and are doing the will of one God globally! John 17:17

you see this has been your problem, you think this a war. You think this is jw against world. I don't fight in such battle. I am for Christ and what he stand for. Anything or anyone against can't roll with me

delkuf:
I would like to ask to ask, after the death of the Lord Jesus when he resurrected, he told Mary mardalene in John 20:17
"Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to your brethren, snd say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God".
Jesus told Mary that he ascend to his Father and our Father, my God and your God. My question now is, WHEN THE LORD JESUS ASCENDED DID HE DECEND TO EARTH AGAIN. Did he came back to earth

Okay sir.
Your question is straight forward and I will answer it straight.
Did Jesus ascend to heaven and then decend later to earth?
The answer is NO.
Why no?
Jesus was telling Mary. "You can't touch me now because I HAVE NOT ascended into my Father".
So, it is obvious that Jesus did not ascend unto his father before then.
Now, the other part of your question was DID JESUS THEN ASCEND TO HEAVEN AND THEN DECEND TO SEE THE APOSTLES?
The answer is still NO.
Why no?
Jesus appeared to his disciples severally as a proof of his resurrection and then after some days (some say forty days), he ascended into heaven in the presence of all his disciples and will decend again at his second coming.

Thanks.

delkuf:
you see this has been your problem, you think this a war. You think this is jw against world. I don't fight in should battle. I am for Christ and what he stand for. Anything or anyone against can't roll with me

So go and find those who are for your Christ so that you can ROLL with them!

immaculatesense:
Okay sir.
Your question is straight forward and I will answer it straight.
Did Jesus ascend to heaven and then decend later to earth?
The answer is NO.
Why no?
Jesus was telling Mary. "You can't touch me now because I HAVE NOT ascended into my Father".
So, it is obvious that Jesus did not ascend unto his father before then.
Now, the other part of your question was DID JESUS THEN ASCEND TO HEAVEN AND THEN DECEND TO SEE THE APOSTLES?
The answer is still NO.
Why no?
Jesus appeared to his disciples severally as a proof of his resurrection and then after some days (some say forty days), he ascended into heaven in the presence of all his disciples and will decend again at his second coming.

Thanks.

When the Lord Jesus appeared to his disciples, was it after ascended or the Father. Because he told Mary, I have not ascended to my Father and you Father and your God and my God. So after the Lord Jesus told Mary this, did he ascend to the Father in heaven or he went and show himself to the disciples

delkuf:
When the Lord Jesus appeared to his disciples, was it after ascended or the Father. Because he told Mary, I have not ascended to my Father and you Father and your God and my God. So after the Lord Jesus told Mary this, did he ascend to the Father in heaven or he went and show himself to the disciples

Thanks sir.
The second part is the correct answer.
After Jesus appeared to Mary, he also appeared to two disciples on their way to Emmaus. After that he appeared to Peter and then James. Then he appeared to the ten (except Thomas) and then to the eleven (including Thomas) and then to them at the river bank where he told Peter to take care of other brethren. Then to the 120 at his ascension.
In all these, Jesus kept appearing to his disciples within those days.
Did he eat and sleep with them during this period or was just appearing? It is not clear. What we know from the scriptures is that, he broke bread with the disciples at Emmaus and also cooked some fish for his disciples at the river bank.
That is the part that the scriptures revealed to us and it is evident that Jesus did not ascend to heaven until after his ascension.

Thanks

@ delkuf i believe one day you will ROLL with at least one person on this forum so you can prove that your Jesus is not only about you like billions out there whose Jesus is for only each of them while they keep on contradicting themselves!

immaculatesense:
Thanks sir.
The second part is the correct answer.
After Jesus appeared to Mary, he also appeared to two disciples on their way to Emmaus. After that he appeared to Peter and then James. Then he appeared to the ten (except Thomas) and then to the eleven (including Thomas) and then to them at the river bank where he told Peter to take care of other brethren. Then to the 120 at his ascension.
In all these, Jesus kept appearing to his disciples within those days.
Did he eat and sleep with them during this period or was just appearing? It is not clear. What we know from the scriptures is that, he broke bread with the disciples at Emmaus and also cooked some fish for his disciples at the river bank.
That is the part that the scriptures revealed to us and it is evident that Jesus did not ascend to heaven until after his ascension.

Thanks

don't you think it is contradicting that the Lord Jesus will tell Mary not to touch him but he telling Thomas to put his hand in the print of nail and he should touch his side. Don't you think between when the Lord Jesus told Mary not to touch hima and when he showed himself to Thomas and the other disciples something has happened

delkuf:
don't you think it is contradicting that the Lord Jesus will tell Mary not to touch him but he telling Thomas to put his hand in the print of nail and he should touch his side. Don't you think between when the Lord Jesus told Mary not to touch hima and when he showed himself to Thomas and the other disciples something has happened

I like your view sir.
Let us look at it this way.
1. Mary: Mary was happy to see Jesus after he died. Our of her immense joy, she was about to 'embrace' Jesus. Jesus reply to Mary was that of "Mary, do not be overjoyed to embrace me because all have not been done until I ascend to my Father and release the Holy spirit. But go and share what you have seen which brings you joy to my other brothers (the disciples) and tell them that what you have seen, they will see when I appear to them in Galilee."

2. Thomas: Thomas was in doubt that the person whom the apostles said they saw was really Jesus and he doubted to a level where he said to other disciples (not Jesus) that "have you confirmed it is Jesus by touching him? How do you know when you did not even touch his injured hand and feet? Let him appear again and let me touch him and then I will believe, if not, I won't."
Jesus appeared to Thomas and told him to do that which he wanted to, but fortunately Thomas himself believed at the word of the Lord.

Conclusion, it is clear from the storyline that Both Mary and Thomas (probably even all the apostles) NEVER touched Jesus.


Thank you sir for your wise engagement.

delkuf:
When the Lord Jesus appeared to his disciples, was it after ascended or the Father. Because he told Mary, I have not ascended to my Father and you Father and your God and my God. So after the Lord Jesus told Mary this, did he ascend to the Father in heaven or he went and show himself to the disciples

Maybe He did!

May be He did not!

We would never know since we were not there.

And secondly, as The LORD would Say, how is this of any profit to you?

immaculatesense:
I like your view sir.
Let us look at it this way.
1. Mary: Mary was happy to see Jesus after he died. Our of her immense joy, she was about to 'embrace' Jesus. Jesus reply to Mary was that of "Mary, do not be overjoyed to embrace me because all have not been done until I ascend to my Father and release the Holy spirit. But go and share what you have seen which brings you joy to my other brothers (the disciples) and tell them that what you have seen, they will see when I appear to them in Galilee."

2. Thomas: Thomas was in doubt that the person whom the apostles said they saw was really Jesus and he doubted to a level where he said to other disciples (not Jesus) that "have you confirmed it is Jesus by touching him? How do you know when you did not even touch his injured hand and feet? Let him appear again and let me touch him and then I will believe, if not, I won't."
Jesus appeared to Thomas and told him to do that which he wanted to, but fortunately Thomas himself believed at the word of the Lord.

Conclusion, it is clear from the storyline that Both Mary and Thomas (probably even all the apostles) NEVER touched Jesus.


Thank you sir for your wise engagement.

between when Mary wanted yo touch Jesus and when he told Thomas to touch his hand anf side something happened. I like the fact that you said, Jesus told Mary not to embrace him because he has not yet ascended to the Father and release the Holy Ghost. So Jesus ascended to the Father in heaven to bring down the Holy Ghost before he appeared to the disciples because the first he did when he appeared to the disciples was that he breathed on them and said receive the Holy Ghost(John 20:20-23). So because the Lord Jesus ascended to the Father in heaven to bring down the Holy Ghost, he also decended and released the Holy Ghost to the disciples and to those that believe. My brother this is a whole new journey. It is the ascension of the Lord Jesus to the Father in heaven after his resurrection and his descending back to this world that give us eternal life. There are lots of things concerning this.

delkuf:
I like the fact that didn't have the answer and you are leaving out. Thanks for your efforts. What if I tell you that the Lord Jesus decended after he ascended to heaven. What will your response be

So where is Jesus now?

Truthseeker10:
So where is Jesus now?

though I don't like chatting with you because you keep asking questions but I will reply this. After he showed himself to the disciples and many others for many days he ascended again back to heaven and he his at the right hand of the the throne of God