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Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by merits(m): 8:04pm On Mar 23, 2025
T'or hope so.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by ebenholer2(m): 8:11pm On Mar 23, 2025
IyanAtiEgusi:
Scrap ND and HND now grin
very useless thing grin
SCRAPPING ONLY IS NOT ONLY EVEN THE CASE COS WHAT WILL BE THE FATE OF THOSE WITH SUCH CERTIFICATION ALREADY? . WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS JUST TO EQUATE BOTH CERTIFICATION, AND WHILE GRADUATES OF BOTH WILL JUST GO TO THE LABOUR MARKET TO DEFEND THEIR CERTIFICATIONS, THAT IS MORE SIMPLE
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Bar1941(m): 8:16pm On Mar 23, 2025
If unna like make unna pass a million bills, the discrimination go still dey there!

Whoever wants a Bsc should go to the Universities and those that want HND should go to Polytechnics. National Assembly shouldn’t be the one to make Bsc = HND.

Make I run before Poly graduates start attacking me, na play I dey play ooooo.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by MeetDx(m): 8:16pm On Mar 23, 2025
givedemwotowoto:
HND is basically a technical degree and should be equivalent to a BSc. Both degrees are accepted for Master's degree programs abroad with no discrimination, because the basis for qualification for Master's is on credit hours, courses and grades earned in school and not the name of the degree. This shouldn't be a problem in Nigeria. I don't know why they're still on this matter.
That's the problem with our people.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by immortalcrown(m): 8:16pm On Mar 23, 2025
simpleseyi:
Sociology and Philosophy graduate, go and sit down somewhere. Write to ICAN and ask them for performance of HND versus BSc holders in the national exam, shame go catch you for BSc holders. Make we no mention Engineering and Tech.
You should be ashamed of yourself for skipping where I say that a HND holder can be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Gboom: 8:21pm On Mar 23, 2025
immortalcrown:
The same way they began to present NEPA bill as school certificate.

1.
What inspired the bill? I mean, which crisis led to the proposal of the bill?

2.
Is it right for HND and BSc. to be treated equally when the processes of obtaining the both are not the same?

In my opinion, the bill is illogical.

I am not discriminating against anybody. I understand that a HND holder might be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder. But HND and BSc. cannot be the same as long as they are not obtained from the same institution. The point is that whoever wants BSc. should go to a university and whoever wants HND should go to a polytechnic. Why will someone who settled for police job fight to be seen and addressed as a soldier after joining the police?

If you could not go to a university because of some challenges that were beyond your control, it is understandable. But don't unleash your frustration on BSc. holders. If you manage to graduate from a university with BSc., do not mock or intimidate HND holders. But it is illogical to rate BSc. and HND equal.
Don't be bitter at all, it does not from making it life
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Edipet(m): 8:26pm On Mar 23, 2025
simpleseyi:
Sociology and Philosophy graduate, go and sit down somewhere. Write to ICAN and ask them for performance of HND versus BSc holders in the national exam, shame go catch you for BSc holders. Make we no mention Engineering and Tech.
it All depends on Individual, during my NYSC days, most of HND graduate where unable to fill a simple form. they are very sound technical.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Dozie32(m): 8:28pm On Mar 23, 2025
muyico:
Dog dreams ,can't never come to past
Coming from somone that has nothing to offer, but to boast of graduating from a university with 3rd class.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Uten9z(m): 8:28pm On Mar 23, 2025
immortalcrown:
1.
What inspired the bill? I mean, which crisis led to the proposal of the bill? They leave the problems in the country and make noise over trivial matters.

2.
Is it right for HND and BSc. to be treated equally when the processes of obtaining the both are not the same?

In my opinion, the bill is illogical.

I am not discriminating against anybody. I understand that a HND holder might be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder. But HND and BSc. cannot be the same as long as they are not obtained from the same institution. The point is that whoever wants BSc. should go to a university and whoever wants HND should go to a polytechnic. Why will someone who settled for police job fight to be seen and addressed as a soldier after joining the police?

If you could not go to a university because of some challenges that were beyond your control, it is understandable. But don't unleash your frustration on BSc. holders. If you manage to graduate from a university with BSc., do not mock or intimidate HND holders. But it is illogical to rate BSc. and HND equal.

If they want HND and BSC to be equal, the requirements for HND should be exactly the same as the requirements for BSc.
Believe me HND is more strenuous than any equivalent degree in their scheme .
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Bluffly: 8:28pm On Mar 23, 2025
IyanAtiEgusi:
Scrap ND and HND now grin
very useless thing grin
HND is never equivalent to HND. The problem is the course structure. OND to HND should not take more than 3 years. OND1 year+ 6 month Intership, HND + 6 year intership., You can upgrade to BSc by doing a 2 year program in or 1 year accelerated.
Structure the programs instead of creating confusions and thereby making a complete laughing stock of Nigeria's education system
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Bluffly: 8:30pm On Mar 23, 2025
Uten9z:
Believe me HND is more strenuous than any equivalent degree in their scheme .
Confusion.
As long as they are not a research designated institution and cannot offer MSc and Phd. Because Bricklayer they do regular practical, e don better the building engineer ba?
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Bluffly: 8:32pm On Mar 23, 2025
immortalcrown:
You should be ashamed of yourself for skipping where I say that a HND holder can be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder.
It is not about the intelingence. So an intelligent SSS3 student is same as a 2nd year degree non intelligent student right?
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by OlawaleBammie: 8:35pm On Mar 23, 2025
muyico:
Dog dreams ,can't never come to past
How will it aff3ct ur life it come to pass??
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by jojothaiv(m): 8:35pm On Mar 23, 2025
SeverusSnape:
See English, And you graduated from a university. Well done sir.
😂😂😂😂😂

He might be a university graduate sha
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by jojothaiv(m): 8:37pm On Mar 23, 2025
hotwax:
What is really wrong with our BSc holders on this forum behaving as if they cult group.

The country need to move forward. You are not any better than HND. Not even a slight difference.

Na we dey interview them na. HND have outperformed their Uni counterparts in tech space. So why the anger?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

It's an attack on some people self esteem so the anger is necessary.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by israelmao(m): 8:46pm On Mar 23, 2025
For how long would this go on?Let this case be laid to rest once and for all.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Johnpat198: 8:50pm On Mar 23, 2025
This Bill should work these time, to upload good prestige for HND
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by frog12: 8:59pm On Mar 23, 2025
all the UK has done is change the name. hND is for those that can't enter 4 year curriculum. there's nothing wrong with it.
the lawmakers are just following sentiments. they should allow education ministry to establish the standards

OlujobaSamuel:
How many countries have you seen offering HND, even the UK that brought it to you don abolish am.
Diploma will still remain, it is HND that will be removed.
The entry requirements for both students and staff will be adjusted to reflect that of BSc.
The major reason for the noise is the duration of the certificate and the use as cheap labour in the market.
Why should anyone use 5yrs for a coursework, then get a job with lower pay but employer choose to use such to carry out task of a degree holder??
Some organisations will recruit everyone together, having same job functions, but won't promote a class of certificate holders because of the title on their paper
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by debayun(m): 8:59pm On Mar 23, 2025
immortalcrown:
1.
What inspired the bill? I mean, which crisis led to the proposal of the bill? They leave the problems in the country and make noise over trivial matters.

2.
Is it right for HND and BSc. to be treated equally when the processes of obtaining the both are not the same?

In my opinion, the bill is illogical.

I am not discriminating against anybody. I understand that a HND holder might be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder. But HND and BSc. cannot be the same as long as they are not obtained from the same institution. The point is that whoever wants BSc. should go to a university and whoever wants HND should go to a polytechnic. Why will someone who settled for police job fight to be seen and addressed as a soldier after joining the police?

If you could not go to a university because of some challenges that were beyond your control, it is understandable. But don't unleash your frustration on BSc. holders. If you manage to graduate from a university with BSc., do not mock or intimidate HND holders. But it is illogical to rate BSc. and HND equal.

If they want HND and BSC to be equal, the requirements for HND should be exactly the same as the requirements for BSc.
I was really looking forward to you bringing logical reasoning but you shamed me with your emotional baseless counter argument which even validates the said bill
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Uten9z(m): 9:01pm On Mar 23, 2025
Bluffly:
Confusion.
As long as they are not a research designated institution and cannot offer MSc and Phd. Because Bricklayer they do regular practical, e don better the building engineer ba?
Your miss informed they conduct efficient research beyond your comprehension.
They need have equal opportunities to thrive and better the nation invariably.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by OlujobaSamuel: 9:15pm On Mar 23, 2025
frog12:
all the UK has done is change the name. hND is for those that can't enter 4 year curriculum. there's nothing wrong with it.
the lawmakers are just following sentiments. they should allow education ministry to establish the standards
HND in UK is a 2yrs standalone programme which you can commence without having ND, and it's equivalent to year 2 of a 3yrs degree programme, not the 4yr you mentioned.
Whatever the case, no country is running or has run a HND prog for 5yrs, there was nothing like HND when diploma was introduced to our educational system, it was abuse that lead to the introduction of HND
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Kewekubosineh: 9:25pm On Mar 23, 2025
immortalcrown:
1.
What inspired the bill? I mean, which crisis led to the proposal of the bill? They leave the problems in the country and make noise over trivial matters.

2.
Is it right for HND and BSc. to be treated equally when the processes of obtaining the both are not the same?

In my opinion, the bill is illogical.

I am not discriminating against anybody. I understand that a HND holder might be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder. But HND and BSc. cannot be the same as long as they are not obtained from the same institution. The point is that whoever wants BSc. should go to a university and whoever wants HND should go to a polytechnic. Why will someone who settled for police job fight to be seen and addressed as a soldier after joining the police?

If you could not go to a university because of some challenges that were beyond your control, it is understandable. But don't unleash your frustration on BSc. holders. If you manage to graduate from a university with BSc., do not mock or intimidate HND holders. But it is illogical to rate BSc. and HND equal.

If they want HND and BSC to be equal, the requirements for HND should be exactly the same as the requirements for BSc.
It's your mindset that people hustle to obtain degree at all cost at detriment of Diploma.

What's the Big deal in university degree? I am a degree holder but doesn't make polytechnic graduate inferior.

Prioritizing degree over diploma is the reason the country is not growing technologically.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Bluffly: 9:28pm On Mar 23, 2025
Uten9z:
Your miss informed they conduct efficient research beyond your comprehension.
They need have equal opportunities to thrive and better the nation invariably.
What research? We are talking of peer reviewed reaserch works.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Mcslize: 9:29pm On Mar 23, 2025
Highly commendable. It is long overdue.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by mkoabiola: 9:32pm On Mar 23, 2025
The bill has always been in d house and always scaling all reading since 2009....
Stil yet ,there is a dichotomy btwn btwn hnd and bsc
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Mcslize: 9:35pm On Mar 23, 2025
Atuero:
HND and Degree are no mates

Degree holder can lecture HND student but not the other way round
You mean degrees holders will lecture students that dealt majorly on practicals all the rubbish theories they accumulated throughout their degrees programmes?
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by greggng: 9:39pm On Mar 23, 2025
EmperorIsaac:
Exactly my point. If it scales through, the requirements for gaining admission into the University must be the same as that of Polytechnics.
The requirement is the same ...5 credits in relevant field of study.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Onewazobia(m): 9:48pm On Mar 23, 2025
immortalcrown:
1.
What inspired the bill? I mean, which crisis led to the proposal of the bill? They leave the problems in the country and make noise over trivial matters.

2.
Is it right for HND and BSc. to be treated equally when the processes of obtaining the both are not the same?

In my opinion, the bill is illogical.

I am not discriminating against anybody. I understand that a HND holder might be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder. But HND and BSc. cannot be the same as long as they are not obtained from the same institution. The point is that whoever wants BSc. should go to a university and whoever wants HND should go to a polytechnic. Why will someone who settled for police job fight to be seen and addressed as a soldier after joining the police?

If you could not go to a university because of some challenges that were beyond your control, it is understandable. But don't unleash your frustration on BSc. holders. If you manage to graduate from a university with BSc., do not mock or intimidate HND holders. But it is illogical to rate BSc. and HND equal.

If they want HND and BSC to be equal, the requirements for HND should be exactly the same as the requirements for BSc.
Don't mind them, we are getting too many things wrong in this country.
HND have it's place so also Bsc, real there are totally different qualifications.
If the bill sponsor is saying we need technical education, then where are we to train the technicians and technologist?
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Onewazobia(m): 9:49pm On Mar 23, 2025
RepoMan007:
The bill is a misplaced one. The world all over, polytechnics/tech schools, on one hand, and universities serve different purposes. If the syllabus for Polytechnics has derailed over time due to pay disparity and thus labour market bias, let the boards or commission in charge take the appropriate actions and correct that instead of trying to convert one into the order by decree. All major manufacturing economies of the world have a clear path for polytechnics and universities. Only fakes like ours think rank is everything and skill is nothing.
You are right, all we care about in this part of the world is money and title
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by commoditiesnig(m): 9:53pm On Mar 23, 2025
RepoMan007:
The bill is a misplaced one. The world all over, polytechnics/tech schools, on one hand, and universities serve different purposes. If the syllabus for Polytechnics has derailed over time due to pay disparity and thus labour market bias, let the boards or commission in charge take the appropriate actions and correct that instead of trying to convert one into the order by decree. All major manufacturing economies of the world have a clear path for polytechnics and universities. Only fakes like ours think rank is everything and skill is nothing.
Well said my brother.. Very brilliant!

However I support the change of HND to BTECH. Let Polys sill remain, they serve their purpose which is Technical education.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Draggun(m): 10:03pm On Mar 23, 2025
Haydens:
It'll never hold water. After uniben don stress me finish make I come dey the same level with HND holder ? undecided

Shoes have size.
See this one, jokes on you if you think say stress no dey poly. I dey FedPoly Bida and dem want take my life with stress. Back to back assignments, seminars, tests and practicals. No be small thing eyes dey see here.
Re: Bill To End HND, Bsc Dichotomy Scales Second Reading by Idaytesj29(m): 10:07pm On Mar 23, 2025
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