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delkuf:
why the insult. I won't take that from you. You don't talk to me like that. You don't know me and I don't know you and you talk to me like that. Have a nice day

I did not insalt you, I am rather pointing out as a friend that you are off your game and that something is wrong with you.

There are only two people who tell you the truth about yourself--an enemy who has lost his temper and a friend who loves you dearly Antisthenes

StillDtruth:
I did not insalt you, I am rather pointing out as a friend that you are off your game and that something is wrong with you.

There are only two people who tell you the truth about yourself--an enemy who has lost his temper and a friend who loves you dearly Antisthenes

you didn't insult me and you are telling me something is wrong with me. Please don't quote me again

MaxInDHouse:
If they believe lie and strongly think they believe the truth while quoting the Bible with all zealousness how can you prove them wrong?

i wasn't the one that said this, it eas gohf. So you should be referring to him

delkuf:
i wasn't the one that said this, it eas gohf. So you should be referring to him

He made himself clear that salvation is not free because works is involved but you said it involves faith alone so that's why i'm asking you.

How do you distinguish between those who truly believe from those with credulity?

delkuf:
you didn't insult me and you are telling me something is wrong with me. Please don't quote me again

I believe you have heard it said anyone who sees something wrong with you and tells you, is someone who loves you.

And clearly, love is not what you want.

delkuf:
no that is it. You know that is not it. They didn't believe. They hear the gospel of Christ but they didn't believe.
Not this they believe a lie that you are saying. They simply do not believe the gospel of Christ that is why they are not save. They are in the church, they hear the gospel of Christ preached to them but they simply do not believe in it that is why they are not save. Accept this simple fact.

so you are telling me that they believe your version of the truth, which is salvation is free and yet they still continue to live in their sin, so you answer why is that?

Or are you saying they don't believe they are saved for free, I mean why wouldn't they believe such and how do you know they don't believe?

delkuf:
i didn't get you.
Why will someone that hear the gospel of Christ and still not get save

because they heard a lie and because they refuse to obey God

gohf:
so you are telling me that they believe your version of the truth, which is salvation is free and yet they still continue to live in their sin, so you answer why is that?

Or are you saying they don't believe they are saved for free, I mean why wouldn't they believe such and how do you know they don't believe?

i am telling you that for you to save you must believe in the finished work of the Lord Jesus on the cross. And after that you are justified from all your sins. And you now from then live that have dominion over sin. You live above and you live by Christ. This is what I am telling you

delkuf:
i am telling you that for you to save you must believe in the finished work of the Lord Jesus on the cross. And after that you are justified from all your sins. And you now from then live that have dominion over sin. You live above and you live by Christ. This is what I am telling you

what you are telling me and what I am asking you how do they connect?

Look self deception is when a person avoids questions that's in the bible yet they claim they believe the bible.

No let me ask you a simpler question, what does it mean to believe in the finished work of Christ?

gohf:
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God. John 3: 18 - 21

You read this and tell yourself salvation is free for everyone, are you not deceiving

Jas.2.14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

Jas.1.21 - 22
So get rid of all the filth and evil in your lives, and humbly accept the message God has planted in your hearts, for it is strong enough to save your souls. And remember, it is a message to obey, not just to listen to. If you don't obey, you are only fooling yourself.

Another witness and testimony of the truth

2Pet.3.14 - 15
And so, dear friends, while you are waiting for these things to happen, make every effort to live a pure and blameless life. And be at peace with God. And remember, the Lord is waiting so that people have time to be saved. This is just as our beloved brother Paul wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him--

I don't think we should stress this any further 😇

Truthseeker10:
So we don't need "works of love" to be saved?
Explain James 2:26 below. What happens to faith without works?


King James Bible
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

New King James Version
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Whatever you believe bruv 🤗😇

Sirmwill:
Whatever you believe bruv 🤗😇

abi oga e tire you. I don't know why something as simple as this and some people are allowing the devil use destroy there lives

delkuf:
abi oga e tire you. I don't know why something as simple as this and some people are allowing the devil use destroy there lives

Noooooo


I have gone past this that's why

delkuf:
abi oga e tire you. I don't know why something as simple as this and some people are allowing the devil use destroy there lives

I usually hear people say things that tend to want to bring me backwards to where I have passed with the grace of Jesus

delkuf:
abi oga e tire you. I don't know why something as simple as this and some people are allowing the devil use destroy there lives

Take a very critical example of the people that Jesus healed


They really got healed by their belief. Not that they worked for it.

Then who gives the power to "go and sin no more?" It's still Jesus

And he spoke this to some specific people who just believed in him... Yes or No?
Do you think,they would ever have the ability or any slightest urge to sin anymore after those words Jesus spoke to them? Capital NO

Even The power to not sin anymore is embedded in believing.
God himself said he would remove the heart of stone and replace it with the heart of flesh.

Can we actually be saved by we stopping sin consciously by ourselves.Who has the power over sin?Is it not Jesus?

We really don't need to stress further bruvs 🙃🙂
gohf Truthseeker10 MaxinDHouse StillDtruth

Sirmwill:
Take a very critical example of the people that Jesus healed


They really got healed by their belief. Not that they worked for it.

Then who gives the power to "go and sin no more?" It's still Jesus

And he spoke this to some specific people who just believed in him... Yes or No?
Do you think,they would ever have the ability or any slightest urge to sin anymore after those words Jesus spoke to them? Capital NO

Even The power to not sin anymore is embedded in believing.
God himself said he would remove the heart of stone and replace it with the heart of flesh.

Can we actually be saved by we stopping sin consciously by ourselves.Who has the power over sin?Is it not Jesus?

We really don't need to stress further bruv 🙃🙂

i don't stress myself anymore. If they can't believe something as simple as this, I wonder if they are truly saved

Thankgod89:
If salvation were a reward for good works, then Jesus’ death would have been unnecessary and meaningless because we could have earned salvation ourselves. But the truth is, we were helpless in sin, and only through Jesus' death and resurrection can we be saved.

(Romans 5:6-.
[6]For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
[7]For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
[8]But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Nice 🙏

Sirmwill:
Whatever you believe bruv 🤗😇

😂😂😂😂you've been caught.

Sirmwill:
Take a very critical example of the people that Jesus healed

They really got healed by their belief. Not that they worked for it.

Then who gives the power to "go and sin no more?" It's still Jesus

And he spoke this to some specific people who just believed in him... Yes or No?
Do you think,they would ever have the ability or any slightest urge to sin anymore after those words Jesus spoke to them? Capital NO

Even The power to not sin anymore is embedded in believing.
God himself said he would remove the heart of stone and replace it with the heart of flesh.

Can we actually be saved by we stopping sin consciously by ourselves.Who has the power over sin?Is it not Jesus?

We really don't need to stress further bruvs 🙃🙂
gohf Truthseeker10 MaxinDHouse StillDtruth

Since when did healing mean salvation?

Even criminals are given healing before they are taking to court for trial.

So, don't join the issues. No one said work guarantees salvation but what is said is that Faith + Work = Salvation.

delkuf:
I only believe that it is a man after he is saved by believing in the finished work of the Lord Jesus on the cross and that man is given eternal life that can't lose his salvation. But if a man only believe in the finished work of the Lord Jesus and do not receive eternal life, he may lose his salvation

See how you are confusing yourself.

You unequivocally stated on your other thread that

"i am telling you that for you to save you must believe in the finished work of the Lord Jesus on the cross. And after that you are justified from all your sins."

Now, you are recanting adding "and that man is given eternal life".

If a person is saved does it not automatically mean that they have eternal life?

Cc Sirmwell

StillDtruth:
See how you are confusing yourself.

You unequivocally stated on your other thread that

"i am telling you that for you to save you must believe in the finished work of the Lord Jesus on the cross. And after that you are justified from all your sins."

Now, you are recanting adding "and that man is given eternal life".

If a person is saved does it not automatically mean that they have eternal life?

Cc Sirmwell

I really don't want to engage you

StillDtruth:
Since when did healing mean salvation?

Even criminals are given healing before they are taking to court for trial.

So, don't join the issues. No one said work guarantees salvation but what is said is that Faith + Work = Salvation.

Okay then