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immortalcrown:
If they want HND and BSC to be equal, the requirements for HND should be exactly the same as the requirements for BSc.

would please share with us the differences in the requirements for acquiring both certificates?

immortalcrown:
1.
What inspired the bill? I mean, which crisis led to the proposal of the bill? They leave the problems in the country and make noise over trivial matters.

2.
Is it right for HND and BSc. to be treated equally when the processes of obtaining the both are not the same?

In my opinion, the bill is illogical.

I am not discriminating against anybody. I understand that a HND holder might be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder. But HND and BSc. cannot be the same as long as they are not obtained from the same institution. The point is that whoever wants BSc. should go to a university and whoever wants HND should go to a polytechnic. Why will someone who settled for police job fight to be seen and addressed as a soldier after joining the police?

If you could not go to a university because of some challenges that were beyond your control, it is understandable. But don't unleash your frustration on BSc. holders. If you manage to graduate from a university with BSc., do not mock or intimidate HND holders. But it is illogical to rate BSc. and HND equal.

If they want HND and BSC to be equal, the requirements for HND should be exactly the same as the requirements for BSc.

True

Poly jamb scores are lower than university

They can't be rated the same

SeverusSnape:
See English, And you graduated from a university. Well done sir.

I knw the guy.. He studied fisheries at FUTO
3RD CLASS..

Edipet:
it All depends on Individual, during my NYSC days, most of HND graduate where unable to fill a simple form. they are very sound technical.

Correct the bolded, they've made the statement go off-balance.

What do you expect from a country that's so obsessed with titles, ranks and statuses ?
Chief, Engr, Prof, Rev, Sen, Comrade, Mr, Papa, ... HND and B.Eng in Engineering are not trained for the same thing exactly, none of them is useless either.
When they say Japan is the best in technology it is also HND aspect they're referring to not theoretical Engineering alone.
Engineers are mostly in managerial, while Technologists focus more on the technical details.

Don't be deceived by this trash 🗑️🗑️🗑️ you can't use HND outside Nigeria for Masters.

Guys BSc has never been so important in the history of Nigeria like these times, Your BSc is your ticket to escape this shithole called Nigeria.

Get your BSc, keep it and hustle for money then dust your BSc certificate, and Japa through Masters route

I'm a HND holder but I'm running a degree program with National Open University, I'll finish my program end of this year.

I'll never encourage anyone to go for anything Polytechnic 👎

greggng:
The requirement is the same ...5 credits in relevant field of study.

That's not true.

immortalcrown:
1.
What inspired the bill? I mean, which crisis led to the proposal of the bill? They leave the problems in the country and make noise over trivial matters.

2.
Is it right for HND and BSc. to be treated equally when the processes of obtaining the both are not the same?

In my opinion, the bill is illogical.

I am not discriminating against anybody. I understand that a HND holder might be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder. But HND and BSc. cannot be the same as long as they are not obtained from the same institution. The point is that whoever wants BSc. should go to a university and whoever wants HND should go to a polytechnic. Why will someone who settled for police job fight to be seen and addressed as a soldier after joining the police?

If you could not go to a university because of some challenges that were beyond your control, it is understandable. But don't unleash your frustration on BSc. holders. If you manage to graduate from a university with BSc., do not mock or intimidate HND holders. But it is illogical to rate BSc. and HND equal.

If they want HND and BSC to be equal, the requirements for HND should be exactly the same as the requirements for BSc.

If you claim that a JAMB score of 180 is sufficient for university admission, you should also acknowledge that more than 50% of polytechnic students score above 180. That being said, why should I even bother giving you my attention?"

Your argument is based on outdated distinctions that no longer hold weight in a modern, skills-driven economy. If we are to develop as a nation, we must recognize competence over mere institutional labels.

1️⃣ What inspired the bill?
The bill was proposed to address the long-standing discrimination against HND holders in the job market, despite many of them being equally skilled—or even more practically competent—than BSc holders. The crisis here is the systemic bias that limits career progression for HND holders, even when they meet or exceed job performance expectations.

2️⃣ Difference in academic processes?
Yes, the processes of obtaining a BSc and an HND are not exactly the same, but that doesn’t mean one is inherently superior to the other. Universities focus more on theoretical knowledge, while polytechnics emphasize practical and technical skills. Both serve different purposes, but in many cases, the skills acquired in polytechnics are more relevant to real-world applications.

3️⃣ The police vs. soldier analogy is flawed.
The comparison between police officers and soldiers does not apply here. A more accurate analogy would be comparing a doctor trained in a teaching hospital and another trained in a private medical college—both earn the same degree and are equally recognized in their profession. If polytechnics and universities are both recognized by the government, why should their graduates be treated differently?

4️⃣ Equalizing HND and BSc benefits everyone.
Rather than seeing this as an attempt to downgrade BSc holders, it should be seen as an effort to create fair opportunities based on skill and competence. In developed nations, polytechnic education is highly valued, and many diploma holders rise to top positions based on merit. If Nigeria wants to advance, we must eliminate unnecessary barriers and focus on performance, not paper qualifications.

5️⃣ A fair solution.
If the concern is that university admission requirements are different from polytechnics, the best approach would be to upgrade the entry and academic standards for HND programs rather than continuing discrimination. That way, both paths lead to the same opportunities, and no one is unfairly sidelined.

🔹 In conclusion, the focus should be on what individuals bring to the table, not where they studied. A more inclusive and skill-based system will benefit both BSc and HND holders alike, rather than creating unnecessary divisions.

And just to be clear, I am a proud polytechnic graduate myself, and I can confidently say that polytechnic graduates are just as capable as their university counterparts.

EmperorIsaac:
That's not true.

Pls check this .

I know yaba admitted my sister with mimum of 5 credit ..although she has more credits

greggng:
Pls check this .

I know yaba admitted my sister with mimum of 5 credit ..although she has more credits

Thank you for the clarification. I used to know that they allow deficiency in one or more subjects.

immortalcrown:
1.
What inspired the bill? I mean, which crisis led to the proposal of the bill? They leave the problems in the country and make noise over trivial matters.

2.
Is it right for HND and BSc. to be treated equally when the processes of obtaining the both are not the same?

In my opinion, the bill is illogical.

I am not discriminating against anybody. I understand that a HND holder might be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder. But HND and BSc. cannot be the same as long as they are not obtained from the same institution. The point is that whoever wants BSc. should go to a university and whoever wants HND should go to a polytechnic. Why will someone who settled for police job fight to be seen and addressed as a soldier after joining the police?

If you could not go to a university because of some challenges that were beyond your control, it is understandable. But don't unleash your frustration on BSc. holders. If you manage to graduate from a university with BSc., do not mock or intimidate HND holders. But it is illogical to rate BSc. and HND equal.

If they want HND and BSC to be equal, the requirements for HND should be exactly the same as the requirements for BSc.

It was all about politics they new the bill was mere waste of time 📌 how can you go to a Polytechnic and want to earn a BSC 📌 only in Nigeria such mumulity happens

This is the reason why Nigeria will never move forward, HND or BSc what matters is what you as a person can contribute to the society. Many so called BSC holders can not perform well in their profession,likewise the HND holders. I think paper qualification is not what should be our priority. What is the most paramount is how the both graduates (HND & BSC) can contribute to the growth of the country.

RepoMan007:
The bill is a misplaced one. The world all over, polytechnics/tech schools, on one hand, and universities serve different purposes. If the syllabus for Polytechnics has derailed over time due to pay disparity and thus labour market bias, let the boards or commission in charge take the appropriate actions and correct that instead of trying to convert one into the order by decree. All major manufacturing economies of the world have a clear path for polytechnics and universities. Only fakes like ours think rank is everything and skill is nothing.

Your argument assumes that the issue is about "converting" polytechnics into universities, but that is not the case. The bill does not seek to erase the distinction between polytechnics and universities; rather, it aims to eliminate the unnecessary bias that limits career growth for HND holders.

1️⃣ Different purposes, same workforce
Yes, polytechnics and universities serve different purposes, but at the end of the day, both produce professionals who enter the same job market. A graduate with a degree in Electrical Engineering from a university and another with an HND in Electrical Engineering often end up competing for similar jobs—yet one is unfairly restricted in career advancement, not based on skill, but on qualification bias. That’s the problem.

2️⃣ Global best practices? Nigeria is the outlier
You mentioned "all major manufacturing economies" have clear paths for polytechnics and universities. That is true, but what you fail to acknowledge is that in those same countries, polytechnic graduates are not treated as second-class professionals. In Germany, the UK, and other developed nations, technical and vocational graduates rise to the top based on competence, not degree titles. Nigeria, unfortunately, operates a paper-driven system, where titles matter more than actual skills.

3️⃣ Fixing the system, not the name
I agree that polytechnic education in Nigeria has been affected by pay disparity and labor market bias. But how do you fix that without addressing the discrimination? If HND holders are not given equal opportunities, how will polytechnic education attract top talents? Instead of restricting career growth for polytechnic graduates, we should be improving the system and modernizing the curriculum to ensure parity in knowledge, competence, and opportunity.

4️⃣ Rank is not everything, but neither is discrimination
You claim that “only fakes think rank is everything and skill is nothing.” Yet, Nigeria’s job market operates on ranking over merit, which is why many employers reject HND holders outright before even testing their skills. If skill is what matters, why not judge candidates based on competence instead of qualification hierarchy?

🔹 Bottom line: The bill is not about turning polytechnics into universities—it is about ending unnecessary discrimination and allowing skilled individuals to progress based on merit. If polytechnic education is valued worldwide, why should Nigeria be any different?

Another matter brought up by the senate to distract Nigerian youths

simpleseyi:
Nonsense Bill. HND and Polytechnics should be scrapped, SIMPLE.

I went to Fed Poly Offa, and YabaTech and I have three Masters degrees, currently running the fourth one. Don’t ask me what I’m doing with them, it’s not your business.

On my CV and on Linkedln, I list my education from ND, HND, PGD, MSc-1, MSc-2, MSc-3. I intentionally start from ND so that any viewer can see that I am a Polytechnic product and I am stubbornly proud of it.

However, Polytechnics have been scrapped in US and UK where Nigeria copied it from. As a matter of fact, one of the two foreign universities I attended and currently attend, used to be a Polytechnic, but has been merged with another higher college and converted to a university. So, why is Nigeria hanging on a dead institution?

All Polytechnics should be merged with other colleges or universities. SIMPLE

Your argument contradicts itself. You proudly list your ND and HND on your CV and LinkedIn, yet you call for polytechnics to be scrapped. If polytechnics are so useless, why acknowledge them in your academic journey? Clearly, they played a role in your education.

Also, the fact that some polytechnics in the UK and US were converted to universities doesn’t mean polytechnic education was scrapped—it evolved. Those countries still value technical and vocational education, which is why they have community colleges, technical institutes, and trade schools that produce highly skilled professionals.

Nigeria’s problem is not polytechnics—it is the stigma and lack of proper investment in technical education. Instead of scrapping them, we should modernize and integrate them into the economy like other developed nations do.

At the end of the day, what matters is competence, not degree labels. If Nigeria scraps polytechnics, where will the hands-on technical experts come from? Universities? We both know the answer to that.

then they should allow OND to enter year 3 of regular university. but there's nothing wrong with ND. they can scrap the HND and leave OND. this should be a matter for the education ministry not NASS

OlujobaSamuel:
HND in UK is a 2yrs standalone programme which you can commence without having ND, and it's equivalent to year 2 of a 3yrs degree programme, not the 4yr you mentioned.
Whatever the case, no country is running or has run a HND prog for 5yrs, there was nothing like HND when diploma was introduced to our educational system, it was abuse that lead to the introduction of HND

frog12:
then they should allow OND to enter year 3 of regular university. but there's nothing wrong with ND. they can scrap the HND and leave OND. this should be a matter for the education ministry not NASS

Polytechnic is a creation of law, NASS is well within its right to work on the law, the ministry will be responsible for implementation.
The issue is beyond a policy direction of the ministry of education

immortalcrown:
1.
What inspired the bill? I mean, which crisis led to the proposal of the bill? They leave the problems in the country and make noise over trivial matters.

2.
Is it right for HND and BSc. to be treated equally when the processes of obtaining the both are not the same?

In my opinion, the bill is illogical.

I am not discriminating against anybody. I understand that a HND holder might be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder. But HND and BSc. cannot be the same as long as they are not obtained from the same institution. The point is that whoever wants BSc. should go to a university and whoever wants HND should go to a polytechnic. Why will someone who settled for police job fight to be seen and addressed as a soldier after joining the police?

If you could not go to a university because of some challenges that were beyond your control, it is understandable. But don't unleash your frustration on BSc. holders. If you manage to graduate from a university with BSc., do not mock or intimidate HND holders. But it is illogical to rate BSc. and HND equal.

If they want HND and BSC to be equal, the requirements for HND should be exactly the same as the requirements for BSc.

Which Degree Is it the one every College of Education are giving like pure water in affiliation??

ok oo

OlujobaSamuel:
Polytechnic is a creation of law, NASS is well within its right to work on the law, the ministry will be responsible for implementation.
The issue is beyond a policy direction of the ministry of education

This matter has been ongoing for about 35 years now....the matter no dey finish....

Tigernut101:
You are not supposed to be surprised
What we have rubber stamp house of rep
I have not seen them reject anything coming from the president.

But they first rejected the Tax Reform Bill nah

SeverusSnape:
See English, And you graduated from a university. Well done sir.

Lol Una too wicked for this Seun forum abeg 😂

OND, HND, BSC, MSC oooo

Na still street and hunger go reset your brain

immortalcrown:
1.
What inspired the bill? I mean, which crisis led to the proposal of the bill? They leave the problems in the country and make noise over trivial matters.

2.
Is it right for HND and BSc. to be treated equally when the processes of obtaining the both are not the same?

In my opinion, the bill is illogical.

I am not discriminating against anybody. I understand that a HND holder might be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder. But HND and BSc. cannot be the same as long as they are not obtained from the same institution. The point is that whoever wants BSc. should go to a university and whoever wants HND should go to a polytechnic. Why will someone who settled for police job fight to be seen and addressed as a soldier after joining the police?

If you could not go to a university because of some challenges that were beyond your control, it is understandable. But don't unleash your frustration on BSc. holders. If you manage to graduate from a university with BSc., do not mock or intimidate HND holders. But it is illogical to rate BSc. and HND equal.

If they want HND and BSC to be equal, the requirements for HND should be exactly the same as the requirements for BSc.

HND and BSC has different designs of purpose but same years of study.

The requirements are same but the difference is always the technical or technological final output.

Entrance requirements are both credits including maths and English, jamb is required for both and years are both five with BSC of 6 months IT while HND had 12 months IT compulsory in both. Even some BSC are just 4 years while some are 8 years.

I think the complains with HND is pegging them at level 14 max in the ministry. Which seems not to be fair. It's not applicable in private companies, infact private preferred HND guys to any level because of Thier practical and results input.

simpleseyi:
Nonsense Bill. HND and Polytechnics should be scrapped, SIMPLE.

I went to Fed Poly Offa, and YabaTech and I have three Masters degrees, currently running the fourth one. Don’t ask me what I’m doing with them, it’s not your business.

On my CV and on Linkedln, I list my education from ND, HND, PGD, MSc-1, MSc-2, MSc-3. I intentionally start from ND so that any viewer can see that I am a Polytechnic product and I am stubbornly proud of it.

However, Polytechnics have been scrapped in US and UK where Nigeria copied it from. As a matter of fact, one of the two foreign universities I attended and currently attend, used to be a Polytechnic, but has been merged with another higher college and converted to a university. So, why is Nigeria hanging on a dead institution?

All Polytechnics should be merged with other colleges or universities. SIMPLE

You don't need to write ND as your qualification if you already have an HND. HND already indicates you have an ND because one must have an ND before a HND.

But erm oga, wetin you de use all these certificates do? Haba! Two masters and two PhDs don do me o.

Mcslize:
You mean degrees holders will lecture students that dealt majorly on practicals all the rubbish theories they accumulated throughout their degrees programmes?

Which yeye practicals be that?
Where are the equipment for the practicals and who exactly are supposed to lecture them if not graduates of universities?

tosyne2much:
But they first rejected the Tax Reform Bill nah

Then what happened at the end?

givedemwotowoto:
HND is basically a technical degree and should be equivalent to a BSc. Both degrees are accepted for Master's degree programs abroad with no discrimination, because the basis for qualification for Master's is on credit hours, courses and grades earned in school and not the name of the degree. This shouldn't be a problem in Nigeria. I don't know why they're still on this matter.

HND is not accepted for Master's program in Sweden.

Trendie247:
https://www.channelstv.com/2025/03/04/bill-to-end-hnd-bsc-dichotomy-scales-second-reading/

This is what happens when legislators do not know their job or are just plain idle. You simply cannot.legislate everything. HND and BSc have different education requirements are simply cannot be made equal. Their curriculum is different.

If you believe you deserve what a BSc is getting then go get a BSc. They have even introduced "Top Up" in some Universities. Let our legislators stop playing the fool.

immortalcrown:
1.
What inspired the bill? I mean, which crisis led to the proposal of the bill? They leave the problems in the country and make noise over trivial matters.

2.
Is it right for HND and BSc. to be treated equally when the processes of obtaining the both are not the same?

In my opinion, the bill is illogical.

I am not discriminating against anybody. I understand that a HND holder might be more intelligent and more skilled than a BSc. holder. But HND and BSc. cannot be the same as long as they are not obtained from the same institution. The point is that whoever wants BSc. should go to a university and whoever wants HND should go to a polytechnic. Why will someone who settled for police job fight to be seen and addressed as a soldier after joining the police?

If you could not go to a university because of some challenges that were beyond your control, it is understandable. But don't unleash your frustration on BSc. holders. If you manage to graduate from a university with BSc., do not mock or intimidate HND holders. But it is illogical to rate BSc. and HND equal.

If they want HND and BSC to be equal, the requirements for HND should be exactly the same as the requirements for BSc.

what is your pain now ?

commoditiesnig:
Well said my brother.. Very brilliant!

However I support the change of HND to BTECH. Let Polys sill remain, they serve their purpose which is Technical education.

All polythecnic suppose to offer should just have been National Diploma or Call it Higher National Diploma and not having both OND and HND. That is nonsence just for income sake.
We have NABTEB which is technical and should be expressly considered for HND and not all this charrade that is ongoing. Whoever then needs a B.Tech should proceed to the university.

All that is required is course restructuring and not trying to equivalent HND with BSc.

simpleseyi:
Nonsense Bill. HND and Polytechnics should be scrapped, SIMPLE.

I went to Fed Poly Offa, and YabaTech and I have three Masters degrees, currently running the fourth one. Don’t ask me what I’m doing with them, it’s not your business.

On my CV and on Linkedln, I list my education from ND, HND, PGD, MSc-1, MSc-2, MSc-3. I intentionally start from ND so that any viewer can see that I am a Polytechnic product and I am stubbornly proud of it.

However, Polytechnics have been scrapped in US and UK where Nigeria copied it from. As a matter of fact, one of the two foreign universities I attended and currently attend, used to be a Polytechnic, but has been merged with another higher college and converted to a university. So, why is Nigeria hanging on a dead institution?

All Polytechnics should be merged with other colleges or universities. SIMPLE

you mean annex poly with university. Which is sensible cuz the way some of you HND graduates reason ehn e dey suprise me. Some can't even communicate effectively. You are an exceptions. The standards of the polytechnics should be raised