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The minimum we should ask for while fighting against religion

We that are fighting against the onslaught of religion on humanity must be clear about what we want. What we want should be the disestablishment of Christianity and Islam. They should not be allowed to own buildings and hire people. They have done enough harm to the society since Apostle Paul started preaching to Gentiles in the first century. All practicing spiritualists must belong to chartered bodies and have teachable methodology. Islam and Christianity have done enough harm and they should be swept into the dustbin of history. We should spread the mantra 'God is not against idolatry but only against evil doing'. A parent can never tell a child 'Never greet my subordinates'.

lawani:
The minimum we should ask for while fighting against religion

We that are fighting against the onslaught of religion on humanity must be clear about what we want. What we want should be the disestablishment of Christianity and Islam. They should not be allowed to own buildings and hire people. They have done enough harm to the society since Apostle Paul started preaching to Gentiles in the first century. All practicing spiritualists must belong to chartered bodies and have teachable methodology. Islam and Christianity have done enough harm and they should be swept into the dustbin of history. We should spread the mantra 'God is not against idolatry but only against evil doing'. A parent can never tell a child 'Never greet my subordinates'.

Even if you manage to "disestablish"🤨 Christianity and Islam, what will you be replacing them with? 🤨

Have you heard of substitution theory🤨?
when these institutions that preach "absolute" morality are scrapped what then do you have?

Gabrielshow24:
Even if you manage to "disestablish"🤨 Christianity and Islam, what will you be replacing them with? 🤨

Have you heard of substitution theory🤨?
when these institutions that preach "absolute" morality are scrapped what then do you have?

Before religions were invented, each nation had its own theology and they are peers of each other. No group was saying they are the only way and killing and hating over that. We just need to go back to those good old days and like I said, practitioners should belong to chartered bodies that have teachable methodology eg divination

lawani:
Before religions were invented, each nation had its own theology and they are peers of each other. No group was saying they are the only way and killing and hating over that. We just need to go back to those good old days and like I said, practitioners should belong to chartered bodies that have teachable methodology eg divination

Before religion, every man did what was right in his or her eyes🤔 after all every man's intellect is not the same🤨.

You can't expect the same result from different gauges of wisdom🤨.

Gabrielshow24:
Before religion, every man did what was right in his or her eyes🤔 after all every man's intellect is not the same🤨.

You can't expect the same result from different gauges of wisdom🤨.

Traditional spiritualities are scientific in their approach. They are not religions. Anything scientific can't be classed with Christianity and Islam that have holy books which must not be questioned or peer reviewed. Religion is a new word and it should apply only to anti science spiritualities ie Christianity and Islam. Religion started with Apostle Paul when he began preaching the beliefs of his sect of Judaism to Gentiles. All spiritualities preach morality and spirituality has been there since language was there

lawani:
The minimum we should ask for while fighting against religion

We that are fighting against the onslaught of religion on humanity must be clear about what we want. What we want should be the disestablishment of Christianity and Islam. They should not be allowed to own buildings and hire people. They have done enough harm to the society since Apostle Paul started preaching to Gentiles in the first century. All practicing spiritualists must belong to chartered bodies and have teachable methodology. Islam and Christianity have done enough harm and they should be swept into the dustbin of history. We should spread the mantra 'God is not against idolatry but only against evil doing'. A parent can never tell a child 'Never greet my subordinates'.

Who's we?
And what do "we" get for the job?
Even terrorists don't work for free. Speak in Benjamins (if you know you know) 😏

lawani:
Traditional spiritualities are scientific in their approach. They are not religions. Anything scientific can't be classed with Christianity and Islam that have holy books which must not be questioned or peer reviewed. Religion is a new word and it should apply only to anti science spiritualities ie Christianity and Islam. Religion started with Apostle Paul when he began preaching the beliefs of his sect of Judaism to Gentiles. All spiritualities preach morality and spirituality has been there since language was there

You are wrong!!!
Most of all sciences proceeded from Christianity!!! 🤨

Apart from the "pinching and antagonistic role" played by the Catholic church, Christianity brought about various sciences!!!

Your traditional spiritualities👀 will sooner or later run into similar problems as evident in history!!!

Gabrielshow24:
You are wrong!!!
Most of all sciences proceeded from Christianity!!! 🤨

Apart from the "pinching and antagonistic role" played by the Catholic church, Christianity brought about various sciences!!!

Your traditional spiritualities👀 will sooner or later run into similar problems as evident in history!!!

I beg your pardon, religions have holy books that must not be peer reviewed. They are therefore not scientific. Religion is the opposite of science. There is nothing new to expect from traditional spiritualities that are as old as language. Nothing new. We just need to reset our brains

Everyday365:
Who's we?
And what do "we" get for the job?
Even terrorists don't work for free. Speak in Benjamins (if you know you know) 😏

There are many of us on Earth not happy about what religions have done to humanity and we are doing our best to out them. You are welcome to join the effort. Nobody will incur shortage as a result of doing the right thing

Hmmmmmmm this man again!

Gabrielshow24:
You are wrong!!!
Most of all sciences proceeded from Christianity!!! 🤨

Apart from the "pinching and antagonistic role" played by the Catholic church, Christianity brought about various sciences!!!

Your traditional spiritualities👀 will sooner or later run into similar problems as evident in history!!!

What do you mean by the bolded, for crying out loud?

What in christianity have birth to science? Why do you feel the need to tell this terrible lie?

And for the catholic church you seem to hate so much, don't you KNOW that they are your redeemer when it comes to the question of what exactly christians have contributed to science, the same way they were your redeemer when Daddy Freeze took all of you pentecostals on his head and made a public spectacle of you on his anti tithe campaign? They were the only ones who were grounded enough to take on Daddy Freeze, have you forgotten?

With the exception of Micheal Faraday and probably, Benjamin Franklin, mention any other christian who contributed the sciences, and was not catholic!

From Nicolas Corpenecus who came up with his heliocentric view of the universe, Johannes Kepler with his three laws of planetary motion, to Gregor Mendel and his work in heredity, to Georges Lemaitre, who came up with the Big Bang theory. Also, Giordano Bruno as well.

So, mention anyone who is from the protestant or pentecostal background, and was a believing and practicing christian at the time they made any contribution to science, if they made any contribution to science.

Go on, mention that person, if there is, and if you can. All the people you would mention as christians who've contributed to the sciences, when we atheists ask what you have done to discover knowledge, are all catholics, with the exception of those few I mentioned

Or are you going to mention your Olukoya, the MFM pastor, who is always touted as the epitome of christian excellence in the academics because of the PhD he now has in something related to molecular biology, a field which being expert in, means you have once come face to face with the question about the theory of evolution.

Molecular biology provides the BEST EVIDENCE for Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection.

If Olukoya studied molecular biology and still accepts the bible theory as superior to the scientific position on the origin of species, then I do have no regard for his PhD, however impressive his thesis might be.

lawani:
There are many of us on Earth not happy about what religions have done to humanity and we are doing our best to out them. You are welcome to join the effort. Nobody will incur shortage as a result of doing the right thing

And you think you can outnumber those religionists shey?
Well continue deceiving yourself!

MaxInDHouse:
And you think you can outnumber those religionists shey?
Well continue deceiving yourself!

Yes we can win. However rightness of action is more important than probability of winning

lawani:
Yes we can win. However rightness of action is more important than probability of winning

Your RIGHTNESS is your own PERSONAL OPINION o!

MaxInDHouse:
Your RIGHTNESS is your own PERSONAL OPINION o!

I am heartbroken that you support Christianity and Islam despite the division, rancour, hatred, killings and etc that they add to humanity

lawani:
I am heartbroken that you support Christianity and Islam despite the division, rancour, hatred, killings and etc that they add to humanity

I've told you several times that there are FALSE RELIGIONS so you can't expect FAKE to work ORIGINAL!

MaxInDHouse:
I've told you several times that there are FALSE RELIGIONS so you can't expect FAKE to work ORIGINAL!

Well, I don't support your position that Jehovah witness which is your sect of Christianity is the only true way. Any holy book spirituality is a no no for me.

lawani:
Well, I don't support your position that Jehovah witness which is your sect of Christianity is the only true way. Any holy book spirituality is a no no for me.

Well that's the only religion performing as you've always anticipated and you can't find any other!

List what you expected from the only true religion and let's see if there is any like Jehovah's Witnesses organization!

MaxInDHouse:
Well that's the only religion performing as you've always anticipated and you can't find any other!

List what you expected from the only true religion and let's see if there is any like Jehovah's Witnesses organization!

All cultures have spirituality imbued in them and asking for the best spirituality is like asking for the best language. Religion is when you hold God to a lower standard than your Earthly father. You say God is punishing unbelief and idolatry. That is not right. God can never do that

lawani:
All cultures have spirituality imbued in them and asking for the best spirituality is like asking for the best language. Religion is when you hold God to a lower standard than your Earthly father. You say God is punishing unbelief and idolatry. That is not right. God can never do that

Do you know the importance of language?

Because the Bible talked about the best language {Zephaniah 3:9} and nobody not even your own teachers can refute what God's word said about the potency of the best language and what it should achieve!

MiddleDimension:
What do you mean by the bolded, for crying out loud?

What in christianity have birth to science? Why do you feel the need to tell this terrible lie?

And for the catholic church you seem to hate so much, don't you KNOW that they are your redeemer when it comes to the question of what exactly christians have contributed to science, the same way they were your redeemer when Daddy Freeze took all of you pentecostals on his head and made a public spectacle of you on his anti tithe campaign? They were the only ones who were grounded enough to take on Daddy Freeze, have you forgotten?

With the exception of Micheal Faraday and probably, Benjamin Franklin, mention any other christian who contributed the sciences, and was not catholic!

From Nicolas Corpenecus who came up with his heliocentric view of the universe, Johannes Kepler with his three laws of planetary motion, to Gregor Mendel and his work in heredity, to Georges Lemaitre, who came up with the Big Bang theory. Also, Giordano Bruno as well.

So, mention anyone who is from the protestant or pentecostal background, and was a believing and practicing christian at the time they made any contribution to science, if they made any contribution to science.

Go on, mention that person, if there is, and if you can. All the people you would mention as christians who've contributed to the sciences, when we atheists ask what you have done to discover knowledge, are all catholics, with the exception of those few I mentioned

Or are you going to mention your Olukoya, the MFM pastor, who is always touted as the epitome of christian excellence in the academics because of the PhD he now has in something related to molecular biology, a field which being expert in, means you have once come face to face with the question about the theory of evolution.

Molecular biology provides the BEST EVIDENCE for Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection.

If Olukoya studied molecular biology and still accepts the bible theory as superior to the scientific position on the origin of species, then I do have no regard for his PhD, however impressive his thesis might be.

You seem to misunderstand my point.
In your hastiness you only buttressed my point!!!

All those are "christians" that contributed to SCIENCE.

I didn't make any divide between Catholic or pentecostals🤔, probably you inferred wrong from my statement touching upon the persecution done by the Roman Catholic church!!!

Irrespective you have proved my point that "christians" contributed to the sciences!!

That's all from me!!!

MaxInDHouse:
Well that's the only religion performing as you've always anticipated and you can't find any other!

List what you expected from the only true religion and let's see if there is any like Jehovah's Witnesses organization!

You and this your brazen lies!!! 😂😂😂

lawani:
➜The minimum we should ask for while fighting against religion
We that are fighting against the onslaught of religion on humanity must be clear about what we want. What we want should be the disestablishment of Christianity and Islam. They should not be allowed to own buildings and hire people. They have done enough harm to the society since Apostle Paul started preaching to Gentiles in the first century. All practicing spiritualists must belong to chartered bodies and have teachable methodology. Islam and Christianity have done enough harm and they should be swept into the dustbin of history. We should spread the mantra 'God is not against idolatry but only against evil doing'. A parent can never tell a child 'Never greet my subordinates'.

A fight against religion that does not include a campaign against traditionalism is a fraud. Traditionalism is, after all, a form of religion.

Gabrielshow24:
You and this your brazen lies!!! 😂😂😂

Only Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians!

MaxInDHouse:
Only Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians!

😂😂😂😂😂
Satan is a liar😅😅

Gabrielshow24:
😂😂😂😂😂
Satan is a liar😅😅

YES!
He makes people claiming believers in the same God killers fighting and killing themselves {John 8:44} but true Christians will never raise weapons against their fellow believers! John 13:34-35

Kobojunkie:
A fight against religion that does not include a campaign against traditionalism is a fraud. Traditionalism is, after all, a form of religion.

Can you list what you have against traditional spirituality?. What do you have against Buddhism or Hinduism too?. The only problematic spiritualities are those that proselytizes. Only Christianity and Islam are the problems. How are you a problem if you are not condemning unbelievers to damnation?

lawani:
➜Can you list what you have against traditional spirituality?.
➜ What do you have against Buddhism or Hinduism too?
➜ The only problematic spiritualities are those that proselytizes. Only Christianity and Islam are the problems

The very same issues you would have against any other religion are the same you would have against these traditional systems. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

2. The list of issues is the same for all religions. Albeight, some have faded in terms of their power in today's world, but all religions are pretty much employed by men in the exact same way. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

3. Nonsense! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Kobojunkie:
The very same issues you would have against any other religion are the same you would have against these traditional systems. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

2. The list of issues is the same for all religions. Albeight, some have faded in terms of their power in today's world, but all religions are pretty much employed by men in the exact same way. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

3. Nonsense! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Traditional spiritualities have always been there. You can't divorce spirituality from human culture. It is part and parcel of it. Religion is the problem and it started when Apostle Paul started preaching the doctrine of the Nazarene sect of Judaism to Gentiles. Religion is what should be removed from society

lawani:
➜Traditional spiritualities have always been there.
➜ You can't divorce spirituality from human culture.
➜ It is part and parcel of it.
➜ Religion is the problem and it started when Apostle Paul started preaching the doctrine of the Nazarene sect of Judaism to Gentiles.
➜ Religion is what should be removed from society

Wrong! They have changed their beliefs many times over the years, but they haven't always been there since every religion and movement has a beginning.

2. Culture is comprised of a broad range of aspects of a society, whereas tradition points to specific parts of any given culture. Tradition(religion) is where you address these spiritual parts of society. And research has revealed time and time again that tradition(religion) in every culture has a beginning and undergoes numerous changes over time, meaning not only are these traditional beliefs(religious ideals) detachable from the culture but also interchangeable.

3. There is no religion that is traced to the actions of Paul in his homeland of Judah back during the 1st century before his death before 70AD.

4. Indeed, tradition(religion) should be removed if possible from every society.

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! They have changed their beliefs many times over the years, but they haven't always been there since every religion and movement has a beginning.

2. Culture is comprised of a broad range of aspects of a society, whereas tradition points to specific parts of any given culture. Tradition(religion) is where you address these spiritual parts of society. And research has revealed time and time again that tradition(religion) in every culture has a beginning and undergoes numerous changes over time, meaning not only are these traditional beliefs(religious ideals) detachable from the culture but also interchangeable.

3. There is no religion that is traced to the actions of Paul in his homeland of Judah back during the 1st century before his death before 70AD.

4. Indeed, tradition(religion) should be removed if possible from every society.

So you think or believe there were cultures that traditionally do not believe in the supernatural?

If Paul had restricted his preaching to Jews as did Jesus, there would be no religion today

lawani:
➜So you think or believe there were cultures that traditionally do not believe in the supernatural?

⚉ First, there is a difference between culture/custom and tradition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PT29WBpLyM?si=LOZZ4gEpFdr0TmEV
⚉ Second, the traditions/religions of a people are considered a part of/an aspect of their culture/custom
⚉ Next, it is quite possible to have customs/culture without traditions.