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pongwa:
you lock your own threads but you have the effrontery to comment on another one. Is that normal?

No mind the dummy.
Christianity in its worst form is far better than Islam in it's best form

Danwakae:
I'm proudly a Muslim ...alhamdulahi


little by little false god preachers and worshipers will be exposed

While it is a fact that charlatans exists in almost any religion including Christianity, this is no opportunity for any chest beating by a Muslim least of all.

If there is any religion that has al the hallmarks of serving a false God, it is Islam.

In Christianity Jesus and Yahweh are distinctive names but Islam curiously does not know the name of its God, choosing to use Allah which was an appellation used to refer to one of the pagan dieties that existed well before Mohammed was born.

Allah in itself simply means "the God". So if you ask a Muslim the name of his God and he says Allah, it is like asking someone the name of his King and he says "the King". It is common knowledge that "the King" is at best a title and never a name.

So someone who does not know the name of his God should not abuse others about false gods. A child that does not know the name of his father shouldn't be found labeling anyone a bastard.

https://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allah-pre-islamic-origin.htm

pongwa:
you lock your own threads but you have the effrontery to comment on another one. Is that normal?

very annoying

Danwakae:
I'm proudly a Muslim ...alhamdulahi


little by little false god preachers and worshipers will be exposed

My Muslim colleague lost his phone inside mosque this month of March that Ramadan fasting is going on... Don't think ur religion is better

SafariHunter:
It's a school, they have over head cost that runs into millions.

Nevertheless, everyone should get renumeration for any service provided unless specified. Be you an artist, instrumentalist et al. It's only fair.

All this back and forth goes to show how money is important in "Nigerian Christendom"

It's time we agree that the key mandate of the church is salvation and community. All these squabbling undermines "Christainity".

JESUS CHRIST is Lord . #Peace #Lent #Easter #LetLoveLead

Should the cost of running the school not be covered with donations and funds from the church?

samwash:
Timi, what is your problem, are the participant complaining, moreover it not for everyone, if you like attend, if you nor like nor attend, nobody go jail you. It is a school and it comes at a cost, which resource materials and instructors will be use to impact knowledge.
The other time, I want to learn something online, they charge me big amount of money which I can't mention there.
So what is the difference between me payment for a tech skills which they charge me exorbitant fee and this school of ministry, the common factor there is gaining knowledge.
Guy, knowledge is expensive.
Let's go into spiritually, you think power is given freely, you have to seek for it and grab it.

So how much did God charge them for power since u said it's not free.....

Baba ...No one should be guilt-tripped or told they have no right to charge for their craft or skill..... if pastor thinks its okay to charge for anointing and knowledge he has received which he has converted to a school....why would he say another minister who has also perfected his skills and gifts into a daily bread shouldn't charge??

It should be the decision of the musicians not to collect money if they feel they want to do it to serve God....not that pastors will be expecting them to do it for free....
Like I told someone earlier...I've seen these similar entitled behavior in churches where electricians are being chastised for charging for electrical works in the church.... Its wrong, feeling entitlement, and down right exploitation ...

ComeToJesus:
This Tim guy never had sense from the beginning. Little wonder he was beating the drums of shame few years ago and being consumed by the shame he wanted to foist on another man.

It's a school for crying out loud where resource person, materials, resources, classrooms, teaching aids etc may be deployed to teach. Those things come at a cost. Shame on you. You really scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for reasons to attack the ministry of the gospel.

You are kicking against the pricks and you'll be served.

Very brainless generation..

Is the cost of the school not suppose to be covered by the church donations?

Gboom:
You shouldn't have been permitted to comment if Seun is just and equal on the religious restriction on this forum.
FYI, the pastor advert is a school and not a church gathering and there are costs attached to the school program

Is a ministry school not suppose to be run by church funds?

Dotherightthing:
A school is a school

Fees must be paid

You mean a "ministry" school that is all about the bible should be run like a secular school?

elonize:
u r as ignorant as they were.it was their ignorance dat made generations stagnant cos of their covenants with d deities.
N 2day ppo r going for deliverance for dat to b broken

So who are those that are delivering people?

samwash:
Timi, what is your problem, are the participant complaining, moreover it not for everyone, if you like attend, if you nor like nor attend, nobody go jail you. It is a school and it comes at a cost, which resource materials and instructors will be use to impact knowledge.
The other time, I want to learn something online, they charge me big amount of money which I can't mention there.
So what is the difference between me payment for a tech skills which they charge me exorbitant fee and this school of ministry, the common factor there is gaining knowledge.
Guy, knowledge is expensive.
Let's go into spiritually, you think power is given freely, you have to seek for it and grab it.

Why is the cost of the school not run with church funds since it is a "ministry school"?

justmondris:
Some people don’t realize that pastors, just like regular businesspeople, can take loans to start schools or businesses. Does being a pastor mean you can’t run a business? Or are you saying pastors must offer everything for free?

Many people—especially those who don’t even pay tithes—quickly assume that if a pastor starts a business or buys something, they used church money. That’s not always true! Wake up!

Assuming Dangote na pastor una for say na church money he take build him refinery and why he go dey sell petrol to him members and others.

Why should a pastor run a business that is based on the "word of God"? Is the gospel supposed to be commercialized?

IgOga:
School fees is what you pay if you need knowledge...no school is free because the lecturers have to be paid for their work.

$150 is reasonable.....but demanding $10k honorarium is absurd....afterall na the people go decide wetin be honorarium not the singer

You mean that money should be paid for a "ministry school" that is all about the word of God? What happens to using church funds in setting up and running the schools for free to members?

CrownLands:
A 3-month School vs. A 3-hour ministration!


Why are some people always ready to bring others down? What happens to Intellectual engagement?

So because a "ministry" school is run for three months justifies that people should be charged for it?

Should the running of the school not be done with church funds?

Realmeelo:
It's either Timi forgot to mention that the school is in partnership with Oral Roberts University, and the fee is for facilitators payment and purchase of materials or he is moving in ignorance. Will the facilitators train for free and will the materials from Oral Roberts University be given for free? What about lighting, will AEDC give power or they will have to buy diesel, abi dem dey sell diesel for free?
Nowadays, saying the truth attracts ridicule and abuse from those who are culprits and they find means for a comeback. Timi is clearly misguided and he should seek knowledge. This is not same as the so called music ministers do; after receiving invite, and provisions for feeding, accommodation and transportation have been made, then you bill the Church for a 30min ministration or entertainment running into millions, there's no justifying that.

When did it become Justifiable for a "ministry" school to charge people? Is the gospel supposed to be commercialized? What happens to church funds?

Fido24:
School of ministry is completely different to ministering as a Pastor to a congregation or ministering in songs to God in a church service or crusade.

school of ministry is a formal school setting with students, teachers and head teacher. you graduate from class to class until you finally graduate and are issued certificate (Certificate, Diploma, higher Diploma, Advance Diploma, Bsc, ETC)
This is in complete contrast to ministering in church service or crusade where the congregation are not students, don't graduate from class to higher class. in fact there is no graduation or examination or issuance of certificate of attendance. it purely worshipping God and doing service to God in a formal church setting.

Lol....so the "ministry" school is not about the bible afterall? When did they begin to give secular certificates to things pertaining to the "church" and the bible?
And why can't this school be run with church funds?

Sunesis2012:
I wonder why a so-called gospel musician will be consistently launching attacks on a Pastor. Children of God should be display some
kingdom manners. Also, charging for a School of Ministry is quite different, they would be using a conducive venue for the programme(we know what the cost of diesel is), starter packs would be provided and even some of the facilitators are likely to be paid because they are professionals.

Why should the school not be run on church funds so as to be free for its beneficiaries?

Electricians should not charge money for their work ke? That's a new low for me🤦😄

All these attacking or dragging of each other in Christianity because of money is coming from a place of lack and insufficiency for many pastors and their workers/members.

If the Church really teaches their members to empower them about God's system for Financial Dominion and Abundance according to the way of the Kingdom, all these would not even come up and is uncalled for.

The saddest part of it is many Pastors don't know/apply God's system or principles for Kingdom Wealth and so can't teach it.

Some who know it, exaggerate it and fuel the lust in their members leading worship of Mammon and materialism

advanceDNA:
So how much did God charge them for power since u said it's not free.....

Baba ...No one should be guilt-tripped or told they have no right to charge for their craft or skill..... if pastor thinks its okay to charge for anointing and knowledge he has received which he has converted to a school....why would he say another minister who has also perfected his skills and gifts into a daily bread shouldn't charge??

It should be the decision of the musicians not to collect money if they feel they want to do it to serve God....not that pastors will be expecting them to do it for free....
Like I told someone earlier...I've seen these similar entitled behavior in churches where electricians are being chastised for charging for electrical works in the church.... Its wrong, feeling entitlement, and down right exploitation ...

SundaysTechLab:
Electricians should not charge money for their work ke? That's a new low for me🤦😄

All these attacking or dragging of each other in Christianity because of money is coming from a place of lack and insufficiency for many pastors and their workers/members.

If the Church really teaches their members to empower them about God's system for Financial Dominion and Abundance according to the way of the Kingdom, all these would not even come up and is uncalled for.

The saddest part of it is many Pastors don't know/apply God's system or principles for Kingdom Wealth and so can't teach it.

Some who know it, exaggerate it and fuel the lust in their members leading worship of Mammon and materialism

Can you please tell us about this God's system or principles for kingdom wealth?

GeneralPula:
Our great fore-fathers were really lucky. They never heard of any foreign religion during their existence. They never heard of imaginary heaven or hell or paying tithes..

What we have today is a calamity..

And would be very lucky if they miss HELL

Truthseeker10:
Is a ministry school not suppose to be run by church funds?

No. Church funds is meant for church projects which may not include advance knowledge for pastoral development.
The school may run for like a month with associated costs and overheads in which church funds may not be able to cover

Truthseeker10:
So because a "ministry" school is run for three months justifies that people should be charged for it?

Should the running of the school not be done with church funds?

When you attend studies, schooling, I assume TUTION is paid.

CrownLands:
When you attend studies, schooling, I assume TUTION is paid.

Why should a school about the "gospel" be paid for? What happens to using church funds?

Gboom:
No. Church funds is meant for church projects which may not include advance knowledge for pastoral development.
The school may run for like a month with associated costs and overheads in which church funds may not be able to cover

What is the basis for this advance pastoral development, Is it not the bible? Where will it be used, is it not the church? So why should the church not fund it?

Truthseeker10:
What is the basis for this advance pastoral development, Is it not the bible? Where will it be used, is it not the church? So why should the church not fund it?

It's deeper than just bible study. Ask anybody that has attended theological school

Gboom:
It's deeper than just bible study. Ask anybody that has attended theological school

Give us the details of what Is deeper. When did deep things of the "gospel" began to attract a charge?

Truthseeker10:
Give us the details of what Is deeper. When did deep things of the "gospel" began to attract a charge?

Go to your church and make enquiry of their schools and attend one, if possible, to know what you wish to know

Danwakae:
I'm proudly a Muslim ...alhamdulahi


little by little false god preachers and worshipers will be exposed

better keep your mouth shut, before yoir allah ask you to marry 8yrs old girl, the way yoir prophet doo

Gboom:
Go to your church and make enquiry of their schools and attend one, if possible, to know what you wish to know

You are a funny man.....I should attend a school that I will be charged a fee to learn about the bible. Can't you see that you guys have commercialised the "word of God" for personal benefits Even with all the offerings and donations going to churches? Was that the example that Jesus and the Apostles set?

Truthseeker10:
Why is the cost of the school not run with church funds since it is a "ministry school"?

If you ask me, na who I go ask?

Am not a member of the church, neither am in their finances department. With little I know from church administration, I believe all the money they are charging will be use to run the school activities for the period of the program.
Them go buy fuel na, abi ?
Some unit members go dey church to coordinate things, like the technical, decorations, what about teachers that will lecture or what if they invite other men of God from other denomination, them nor go carter for them? Check ham na.
Just saying ooo!!!

samwash:
If you ask me, na who I go ask?

Am not a member of the church, neither am in their finances department. With little I know from church administration, I believe all the money they are charging will be use to run the school activities for the period of the program.
Them go buy fuel na, abi ?
Some unit members go dey church to coordinate things, like the technical, decorations, what about teachers that will lecture or what if they invite other men of God from other denomination, them nor go carter for them? Check ham na.
Just saying ooo!!!

Oga that is commercialism that you've described up there. Commercialism has no place with the word of God. Churches are supposed to build and run "ministry schools" with donated funds and make these schools accessible to members without a fee. Is it not the bible that is taught in those schools?

Truthseeker10:
Oga that is commercialism that you've described up there. Commercialism has no place with the word of God. Churches are supposed to build and run "ministry schools" with donated funds and make these schools accessible to members without a fee. Is it not the bible that is taught in those schools?

Oga the Nigerian church nor go fit carter for all his members financially.
If you be member of a church, try know waytin dey xup for the welfare department, if they already has a functional one.
Running a church is a very big business.
For the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ to reach all the whole earth means big money has to be involved.