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If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op):
Do fulanis have seperate laws?
IG of police and senate, are we now allowed to move on the highway with guns, despite the high rate of kidnapping in Edo by Fulani bandits?
Open grazing has been banned, why are they still herders destroying crops with their cows and killing people?
Will Northerners tolerate Southern people moving in Northern Nigeria with guns?
If they are hunters why not hunt in northern forests, why move with guns in another man's land and claim to be hunters, these people could be herdsmen or bandits.

It makes no sense traveling from the Sahel Northern Nigeria to Edo saying you want to hunt, it's only idiots that believe such tales.

Edo state government must investigate the proliferation of guns in Edo state, no fulanis should be allowed in our forests and any fulanis seen with guns or cutlass must be arrested.

It is a shame that these people travelled with guns on our highways filled with policemen and were not checked.

According to reports, the vigilantes stopped the lorry/trailer carrying them and asked them to submit themselves for search, the violent Hausa/Fulani people due to wrong indoctrination resisted and stabbed one of the vigilante members, Edo people don't look for trouble, but won't run from it...it is logical and reasonable for the Vigilantes to defend themselves, because the armed men were with guns, and have already stabbed one of the vigilante members. We must encourage the vigilante members for the brave work and we pray God always protect them. A reasonable human being will submit himself for search, but due to their false sense of self importance they feel they are bigger than institutions in Edo state. We are a sovereign people we have existed before this Nigeria was created in same place we are now, spread out across the South, until recently Delta State was part of Edo state, so this people must respect Edo state, it's sovereignty and it's territorial space, Edo people do not travel carelessly to other parts of the country with guns, no outsiders should bring gun into Edo state, only the Edo state government approved vigilantes, police, army, Navy, immigration, and such as mandated and endorsed by our constitution.

I expect the Nigerian senate to look into the issue of fulanis living in forests of other states illegally, living in forests has since been outlawed even during the Buhari regime when herdsmen went berserk, so Edo state house of assembly members as a matter of urgency push the bill to activate the open grazing ban, stipulate punishment and imprisonment and set up a anti grazing monitoring team to patrol Edo state, across all wards, the state
Edo state governor and house of assembly must also strengthen the Edo state vigilante service, and give it some powers to enable them carry out their mandate of protecting the lives of Edo people and legitimate visitors to Edo state, our self preservation is first, we must unite and come together with our allies, start up a state funded forest guard and arrest anyone caught living in the forests.
Every non indigene should be registered and every other person must not rent house to people who are not vetted, don't give them lands, this is how they infiltrate.

A state government is to protect the interests of the state and it's people, period.

We take the life of our people seriously, these reports of Edo people being kidnapped and killed carelessly is brewing serious anger in the hearts of the people, I advise the fulanis for their own good to leave the forests and rent houses and live as reasonably human beings, respecting the state, it's authority and the people of the state.

Edo state house of representatives and senators should push bills so the nation take the killings by herdsmen and continuous open grazing seriously, we value human lives than cows, if you want to rear cows get a ranch, if you want to live somewhere rent a house, not living in the forests, if you live in the forests you will be treated as an infiltrator or bandits, people are security conscious because a lot of Edo people have been kidnapped, women raped and crops destroyed and lots of people killed by these bandits and kidnappers, who are mostly fulanis and their sahelian associates, this has been recorded by videos shared by the kidnappers on social media flaunting ransom payments, and reports of victims as well as security report. Fulani people need to take care of their kids and youths and preach to them to stop attacking others, stop open grazing, and stop kidnapping others because it is bringing them a lot of enemies across Nigeria, their reckless evil character is boiling Nigeria.

We need serious military and vigilantes checkpoints on the highways of southern Nigeria, to check every vehicle coming into southern Nigeria.

Edo State governor must order the police and army to place checkpoints on all highways of the state to stop weapons build up and proliferation in the hands of evil people who are killing and kidnapping Edo people and Southerners.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by DomPerignon: 8:48am On Mar 29, 2025
dederocs:
Do fulanis have seperate laws?
Open grazing has been banned, why are they still herders destroying crops with their cows and killing people?
Will Northerners tolerate Southern people moving in Northern Nigeria with guns?
If they are hunters why not hunt in northern forests, why move with guns in another man's land and claim to be hunters, these people could be herdsmen or bandits.

It makes no sense traveling from the Sahel Northern Nigeria to Edo saying you want to hunt, it's only idiots that believe such tales.

Edo state government must investigate the proliferation of guns in Edo state, no fulanis should be allowed in our forests and any fulanis seen with guns or cutlass must be arrested.

It is a shame that these people travelled with guns on our highways filled with policemen and were not checked.

We need serious military and vigilantes checkpoints on the highways of southern Nigeria, to check every vehicle coming into southern Nigeria.

Edo State governor must order the police and army to place checkpoints on all highways of the state to stop weapons build up and proliferation in the hands of evil people who are killing and kidnapping Edo people and Southerners.
they were not fulanis but registered Hausa hunters and they were carrying dane guns .

I am happy the Edo Police command has arrested those stupid vigilante idiots that arrested them and had them murdered.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op): 8:49am On Mar 29, 2025
Edo state governor and government must know he is answerable to Edo people and not Tinubu. Your job is to protect Edo people and their properties, including their lands, crops and territory.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by SpecialAdviser(m): 8:51am On Mar 29, 2025
DomPerignon:
they were not fulanis but registered Hausa hunters and they were carrying dane guns .

I am happy the Edo Police command has arrested those stupid vigilante idiots that arrested them and had them murdered.
Moving from where to where? For what purpose?
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op): 8:53am On Mar 29, 2025
DomPerignon:
they were not fulanis but registered Hausa hunters and they were carrying dane guns .

I am happy the Edo Police command has arrested those stupid vigilante idiots that arrested them and had them murdered.
They have no right to move with guns in another man's territory, dane guns can kill, this is arms proliferation. Most of the kidnappers in the forests are fulanis and their northern brothers or pawns, they can be collaborating moving herdsmen with their guns, Hausas are stooges of the fulanis trapped in that position due to the religion, despite the oppression and subjugation they suffered in the hands of the fulanis. Keep your evil and madness in the North. We have our hunters too, don't come hunt in Edo state. Blood suckers.

Herdsmen, hunters or whatsoever have no rights to move with guns across miles on the highway, your dane guns is to be used in your village and locality and in your forests. Demons should live alone and stop harming others, fulani people stay in the North.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op): 8:58am On Mar 29, 2025
SpecialAdviser:
Moving from where to where? For what purpose?
Thank you, if they were hunters, why leave miles and miles of forests in the North to travel to Edo.

These deceitful people can only deceive fools.

They left all the forests in the North to come to southern forests.

Edo state house of assembly must pass a law, any non indigenes caught in the forests with guns must be shot and treated like a terrorist. Northerners have no business hunting in Edo state, they are terrorists disguising as hunters.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by DomPerignon: 9:02am On Mar 29, 2025
dederocs:
They have no right to move with guns in another man's territory, dane guns can kill, this is arms proliferation. Most of the kidnappers in the forests are fulanis and their northern brothers or pawns, they can be collaborating moving herdsmen with their guns, Hausas are stooges of the fulanis trapped in that position due to the religion, despite the oppression and subjugation they suffered in the hands of the fulanis. Keep your evil and madness in the North. We have our hunters too, don't come hunt in Edo state. Blood suckers.

Herdsmen, hunters or whatsoever have no rights to move with guns across miles on the highway, your dane guns is to be used in your village and locality and in your forests. Demons should live alone and stop harming others, fulani people stay in the North.
But your ESN terrorists have rights to bear arms and to ambush and kill northern truck drivers
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op):
DomPerignon:
But your ESN terrorists have rights to bear arms and to ambush and kill northern truck drivers
F*CK ESN, fucck fulani herdsmen killing people, fucck fulani and northern terrorists bokoharam and iswap,all terrorists should be killed...I wish them painful deaths, their bodies will be scattered on the bushes.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by DomPerignon: 9:14am On Mar 29, 2025
dederocs:
F*CK ESN, fucck fulani herdsmen killing people, Bleep fulani and northern terrorists bokoharam and iswap,all terrorists should be killed
Start by killing your ESN/IPOB terrorists first.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by southsouthking(m): 9:19am On Mar 29, 2025
Moving from where to where?
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by Educationalserv: 9:28am On Mar 29, 2025
dederocs:
Do fulanis have seperate laws?
Open grazing has been banned, why are they still herders destroying crops with their cows and killing people?
Will Northerners tolerate Southern people moving in Northern Nigeria with guns?
If they are hunters why not hunt in northern forests, why move with guns in another man's land and claim to be hunters, these people could be herdsmen or bandits.

It makes no sense traveling from the Sahel Northern Nigeria to Edo saying you want to hunt, it's only idiots that believe such tales.

Edo state government must investigate the proliferation of guns in Edo state, no fulanis should be allowed in our forests and any fulanis seen with guns or cutlass must be arrested.

It is a shame that these people travelled with guns on our highways filled with policemen and were not checked.

We need serious military and vigilantes checkpoints on the highways of southern Nigeria, to check every vehicle coming into southern Nigeria.

Edo State governor must order the police and army to place checkpoints on all highways of the state to stop weapons build up and proliferation in the hands of evil people who are killing and kidnapping Edo people and Southerners.
Nonsense who ban hunting Gun that uses ash
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by LordBiden(m): 9:30am On Mar 29, 2025
DomPerignon:
they were not fulanis but registered Hausa hunters and they were carrying dane guns .

I am happy the Edo Police command has arrested those stupid vigilante idiots that arrested them and had them murdered.
See your mouth like registered hunters,where you the one that registered them.

They are bloody kidnappers,and if you are one of them then hand go soon touch you,edo guys mount.
Gun is gun as long as it can kill,they should do their hunting in the north,where is the fucking bushmeats they captured?
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op): 9:39am On Mar 29, 2025
Educationalserv:
Nonsense who ban hunting Gun that uses ash
Idiot your fulani gun is to be used in your village, nobody has right to move with guns on the highway, they can be kidnappers disguising as hunters, these sahel demons all work together, kidnapping southerners is a big business for those demons. Those people are not hunters, that's a cooked up story, who confirmed their identity as hunters, because hunters are supposed to hunt in their villages and states, they have no right or licence to hunt in Edo forests, we have our own hunters.

Fool it is common sense to know that terrorists and bandits can disguise as hunters, plus we don't want any non indigenes in southern forests, those demons have kidnapped and killed thousands of southerners. Go to the North and live in the forests there.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by SpecialAdviser(m): 9:40am On Mar 29, 2025
dederocs:
Thank you, if they were hunters, why leave miles and miles of forests in the North to travel to Edo.

These deceitful people can only deceive fools.

They left all the forests in the North to come to southern forests.

Edo state house of assembly must pass a law, any non indigenes caught in the forests with guns must be shot and treated like a terrorist. Northerners have no business hunting in Edo state, they are terrorists disguising as hunters.
My anger in all these is that the uselessly sophisticated and foolishly acclaimed educated Southern Nigeria people and falling for the SCAM. What a people? We claim educated and are foolish at the same time
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op): 9:45am On Mar 29, 2025
SpecialAdviser:
My anger in all these is that the uselessly sophisticated and foolishly acclaimed educated Southern Nigeria people and falling for the SCAM. What a people? We claim educated and are foolish at the same time
Southerners are very foolish, we tolerate fulanis that kidnap and kill us to patrol our forests with guns, will the North tolerate southerners moving with guns in the North?

Edo state governor must know he is there to serve and protect the Edo people, he should not allow politics lead him to destroy the state. Your work is for Edo people not Tinubu or fulani.

We must treat these people how they treat us, they don't love us.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by Tranquillity360: 9:49am On Mar 29, 2025
dederocs:
F*CK ESN, fucck fulani herdsmen killing people, Bleep fulani and northern terrorists bokoharam and iswap,all terrorists should be killed
Including Amotekum terrorists
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op): 9:51am On Mar 29, 2025
Tranquillity360:
Including Amotekum terrorists
So far I have never heard of amotekun oppressing Yorubas, forcing them to stay indoors or kidnapping them. Amotekun is a vigilante service, God will guide and be with them for their service.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by Tranquillity360: 9:58am On Mar 29, 2025
dederocs:
So far I have never heard of amotekun oppressing Yorubas, forcing them to stay indoors or kidnapping them. Amotekun is a vigilante service, God will guide and be with them for their service.
So far I have never heard of Eastern security network oppressing Igbos, forcing them to stay indoors or kidnapping them. ESN is a vigilante service, God will guide and be with them for their service.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by Educationalserv: 10:01am On Mar 29, 2025
dederocs:
Idiot your fulani gun is to be used in your village, nobody has right to move with guns on the highway, they can be kidnappers disguising as hunters, these sahel demons all work together, kidnapping southerners is a big business for those demons. Those people are not hunters, that's a cooked up story, who confirmed their identity as hunters, because hunters are supposed to hunt in their villages and states, they have no right or licence to hunt in Edo forests, we have our own hunters.

Fool it is common sense to know that terrorists and bandits can disguise as hunters, plus we don't want any non indigenes in southern forests, those demons have kidnapped and killed thousands of southerners. Go to the North and live in the forests there.
So why not interrogate to confirm so you don't kill and you can't reverse .Now that killed innocent people I hope you are Fulfilled
You think 25 kidnapper with Ak47 will sit and Watch been killed like that you must be mad and silly tribalist
Uromi people thank you star it peaceful Hausa people if na Fulani una Go see hell
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op): 10:14am On Mar 29, 2025
Educationalserv:
So why not interrogate to confirm so you don't kill and you can't reverse .Now that killed innocent people I hope you are Fulfilled
You think 25 kidnapper with Ak47 will sit and Watch been killed like that you must be mad and silly tribalist
Uromi people thank you star it peaceful Hausa people if na Fulani una Go see hell
Some kidnappers also use dane guns, fulani herdsmen use dane guns...I tell you if 100 men come into your community with dane guns and cutlasses they will easily kill Nd kidnap.

Southerners are very foolish, how can people believe such a lie that hunters will move over 10,000 miles, forests no dey North?

Fulani people should leave our forests, the people will protect themselves, that is a universal human right.

Usman Dan fodio there grand father couldn't even do nothing how much more these cow fuckers, you fools can keep being scared of cow fuckers not Edo people. If dem like they can go recruit there fulani Cow fuckers coward, like only fulani can kill... fulanis can come around with guns let's see something...

Do you know how long Edo people have lasted, for thousands of years, do you know how many struggles and battles it took to survive, thrive and rule others?

When there was no central army, no UN, survival of the fittest era, Edo controlled southern Nigeria, fulani couldn't come near. Coward.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by Jakumo(m): 10:17am On Mar 29, 2025
dederocs:
Some kidnappers also use dane guns, fulani herdsmen use dane guns...I tell you if 100 men come into your community with dane guns and cutlasses they will easily kill Nd kidnap.

Southerners are very foolish, how can people believe such a lie that hunters will move over 10,000 miles, forests no dey North?

Fulani people should leave our forests, the people will protect themselves, that is a universal human right.

Usman Dan fodio there grand father couldn't even do nothing how much more these cow fuckers, you fools can keep being scared of cow fuckers not Edo people.
I doubt if there is any country on Earth where people can just show up and grab land as the Fulani terror gangs currently do in Nigeria.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by Educationalserv: 10:18am On Mar 29, 2025
dederocs:
Some kidnappers also use dane guns, fulani herdsmen use dane guns...I tell you if 100 men come into your community with dane guns and cutlasses they will easily kill Nd kidnap.

Southerners are very foolish, how can people believe such a lie that hunters will move over 10,000 miles, forests no dey North?

Fulani people should leave our forests, the people will protect themselves, that is a universal human right.

Usman Dan fodio there grand father couldn't even do nothing how much more these cow fuckers, you fools can keep being scared of cow fuckers not Edo people.
Show us where alleged kidnappers with Dane Gun or EDO indigence caught been killed by Edo people
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op): 10:23am On Mar 29, 2025
Educationalserv:
Show us where alleged kidnappers with Dane Gun or EDO indigence caught been killed by Edo people
Thunder fire you cow fucker, I never saw you retards when innocent people are killed by these demons. Stay in your region with your slaves in the North, we no send fulani for South, they are demons.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by ZombieDredd: 10:26am On Mar 29, 2025
DomPerignon:
they were not fulanis but registered Hausa hunters and they were carrying dane guns .

I am happy the Edo Police command has arrested those stupid vigilante idiots that arrested them and had them murdered.
I said it that you no dey reason well.

So they can move with guns in nigeria but other citizens should not carry arms and you are here claiming they are registered.

Did you see their registration card and has CAC or whichever body affirmed this?

Make una get sense really.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by Educationalserv: 10:27am On Mar 29, 2025
dederocs:
Thunder fire you cow fucker, I never saw you retards when innocent people are killed by these demons. Stay in your region with your slaves in the North, we no send fulani for South, they are demons.
stay in you region! But na una travel pass everbody.
Hypocrite
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by ZombieDredd: 10:28am On Mar 29, 2025
Jakumo:
I doubt if there is any country on Earth where people can just show up and grab land as the Fulani terror gangs currently do in Nigeria.
Yet one Fulani man has not been arrested in all these years, just one that has been charged to court

I never see
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by Gandollar(f): 10:36am On Mar 29, 2025
Fulanis or not, kidnappers or not, Islamic terrorists or not, my submission is that, since they have been disarmed, why kill them?
Why not hand them over to the police?

I mean, the vigilante can decide not to hand over the arms recovered to the police, then it would have been them against the police.

If those so called hunters ever tried to engage the vigilantes in a gun duel and then overpowered by vigilates, it's a different thing but no resistance was recorded.

This still boils down to failure on the part of government because, if they had been proactive about this fulanis killing people everywhere they go, the citizens wouldn't be this disillusioned.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op): 10:45am On Mar 29, 2025
ZombieDredd:
I said it that you no dey reason well.

So they can move with guns in nigeria but other citizens should not carry arms and you are here claiming they are registered.

Did you see their registration card and has CAC or whichever body affirmed this?

Make una get sense really.
No mind the fools, the southerners supporting them are ignorant kids or just plain stupid... people that kill and rape, how hard is it for them to lie?

Those people were not hunters, they have an evil mission...why leave all the forests of the North and come to Edo forests?

Edo and it's forests belongs to Edo people not fulani, not anyone else.

Fulanis must leave our forests.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op): 10:48am On Mar 29, 2025
Gandollar:
Fulanis or not, kidnappers or not, Islamic terrorists or not, my submission is that, since they have been disarmed, why kill them?
Why not hand them over to the police?

I mean, the vigilante can decide not to hand over the arms recovered to the police, then it would have been them against the police.

If those so called hunters ever tried to engage the vigilantes in a gun duel and then overpowered by vigilates, it's a different thing but no resistance was recorded.

This still boils down to failure on the part of government because, if they had been proactive about this fulanis killing people everywhere they go, the citizens wouldn't be this disillusioned.
How are you sure they didn't try to attack the vigilantes?

You people are giving fulani herdsmen power o, use your sense.

Fulanis have no right to bring in guns to other states!

If you come to my house with guns, it's a declaration of war. Guns are banned in Nigeria, those people don't have any documents to confirm their identity.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op): 10:50am On Mar 29, 2025
Educationalserv:
stay in you region! But na una travel pass everbody.
Hypocrite
Everyone knows who always stays in forest everywhere kidnapping and forming kidnapping rackets. Edo people don't travel to core North and stay in forests, they don't carry guns in other people's states, they are not parasites, like fulani people begging everywhere and constituting nuisance everywhere.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by Gandollar(f): 10:59am On Mar 29, 2025
dederocs:
How are you sure they didn't try to attack the vigilantes?

You people are giving fulani herdsmen power o, use your sense.

Fulanis have no right to bring in guns to other states!

If you come to my house with guns, it's a declaration of war. Guns are banned in Nigeria, those people don't have any documents to confirm their identity.
There's no report anywhere saying they tried to attack the vigilantes.

The extrajudicial killing was not necessary, those guys were hunters.

Even if as hunters, they engage in nefarious activities in the bushes, we don't know it yet. You are innocent till proven guilty.

Edo state has a rich thick forest, it's therefore no news that people can come from far and wide to hunt.

In some climes, there's hunting season and after that, nobody can hunt again, but there's no such regulations here.

A hunter going on an expedition would be found with his tools just like with every other profession.

People travel far and wide to eke out a living.

Those boys acted overzealously.

The bad guys are in the bushes, the vigilantes could have organized and fortified themselves, go into the forests and chase them out.

Open grazing should be totally banned in southern Nigeria.
Re: If Guns Are Banned Why Are Northern people Moving Around With Guns In Edo State? by dederocs(op): 11:01am On Mar 29, 2025
Gandollar:
There's no report anywhere saying they tried to attack the vigilantes.

The extrajudicial killing was not necessary, those guys were hunters.

Even if as hunters, they engage in nefarious activities in the bushes, we don't know it yet. You are innocent till proven guilty.

Edo state has a rich thick forest, it's therefore no news that people can come from far and wide to hunt.

In some climes, there's hunting season and after that, nobody can hunt again, but there's no such regulations here.

A hunter going on an expedition would be found with his tools just like with every other profession.

People travel far and wide to eke out a living.

Those boys acted overzealously.

The bad guys are in the bushes, the vigilantes could have organized and fortified themselves, go into the forests and chase them out.

Open grazing should be totally banned in southern Nigeria.
Edo state government, even federal government said it one time that nobody should live in forests, the forests of Edo are for Edo hunters, we don't want Northerners in our forests, there is regulation. Hunters in every state are registered, but as usual fulanis and northerners due to their lack of respect and sound reasonable minds act like zombies, and think they can do anything they like.

Fulani and Northern hunters have no rights being in Edo forests!

Where you there?

How did you know they didn't attack, did you speak to an eye witness?

You people move with emotions without reason, the narrative you want is what you will hear, i am sure there was a confrontation... before they were killed like that.
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