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lawani:
⚉If Paul had restricted his preaching to Jews as did Jesus, there would be no religion today

Nonsense! There is no record of Paul even preaching anything to those who were not of the blood of His ancestor, Jacob — the ancestor of all Israelites & Jews alike.

Also, your assertion regarding religion is in error.

Gabrielshow24:
You seem to misunderstand my point.
In your hastiness you only buttressed my point!!!

All those are "christians" that contributed to SCIENCE.

I didn't make any divide between Catholic or pentecostals🤔, probably you inferred wrong from my statement touching upon the persecution done by the Roman Catholic church!!!

Irrespective you have proved my point that "christians" contributed to the sciences!!

That's all from me!!!

These people were not the usual chrisrians you know except you no longer have a problem with christians dabbling into the occult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdmhPfGo3fE&pp=ygUdaXNhYWMgbmV3dG9uJyBkYXJrIHNlY3JldCBwYnM%3D

MiddleDimension:
➜These people were not the usual chrisrians you know except you no longer have a problem with christians dabbling into the occult.

Christianity is a religion that currently boasts over 45,000 different denominations, all of them having shareholders in the religion of Christianity.

Kobojunkie:
Christianity is a religion that currently boasts over 45,000 different denominations, all of them having shareholders in the religion of Christianity.

no, they do not have equal number of members

Kobojunkie:
⚉ First, there is a difference between culture/custom and tradition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PT29WBpLyM?si=LOZZ4gEpFdr0TmEV
⚉ Second, the traditions/religions of a people are considered a part of/an aspect of their culture/custom
⚉ Next, it is quite possible to have customs/culture without traditions.

You are dodging the question. Do you think there are or were human cultures who don't believe in the supernatural?. You can't be fighting against something as primordial as spirituality. It is religion that is new and it must end.

MiddleDimension:
➜no, they do not have equal number of members

I said nothing of them having equal number of members. Rather, what I said is that each one of those 45,000 denominations is a shareholder in the religion of Christianity; whether you like it or not, they are all Christians.

lawani:
➜You are dodging the question. Do you think there are or were human cultures who don't believe in the supernatural?. You can't be fighting against something as primordial as spirituality. It is religion that is new and it must end.

Seems more to me like you are conveniently avoiding confronting the reality of things to continue arguing in circles on this already finished issue.

Kobojunkie:
⚉ ⚉ Next, it is quite possible to have customs/culture without traditions.

I happen to have cultures of my own, but I don't hold any religious/traditional ideas. Many people who equally don't have beliefs in any deity— atheists in particular— also have this: a culture devoid of traditions.

Kobojunkie:
Seems more to me like you are conveniently avoiding confronting the reality of things to continue arguing in circles on this already finished issue.
I happen to have cultures of my own, but I don't hold any religious/traditional ideas. Many people who equally don't have beliefs in any deity— atheists in particular— also have this: a culture devoid of traditions.

I am not speaking of individuals but groups. As groups, all human cultures have spirituality and in the past, people restating that they don't believe in deities or spirits as you do today were rare. It became a thing with the rise of religions. Atheism became a thing with the rise of religions. It is a response to religion but there have never been an atheistic human culture. Your point is that all spiritualities are the same as Christianity and Islam but that is not true as traditional spiritualities use divination which is teachable in the scientific way. They also have no dogma and are not seeking converts. They have experts who work for people and get paid. I will agree however that they need regulation via chartered bodies to counter against quackery.

lawani:
➜I am not speaking of individuals but groups. As groups, all human cultures have spirituality and in the past, people restating that they don't believe in deities or spirits as you do today were rare. It became a thing with the rise of religions.
➜ Atheism became a thing with the rise of religions.
➜ It is a response to religion but there have never been an atheistic human culture.
➜ Your point is that all spiritualities are the same as Christianity and Islam but that is not true as traditional spiritualities use divination which is teachable in the scientific way. They also have no dogma and are not seeking converts. They have experts who work for people and get paid. ➜ I will agree however that they need regulation via chartered bodies to counter against quackery.

Since groups are comprised of individuals, this is obviously wrong thinking. For example, the groups that comprise of atheists across the world — people who don't believe in any deity or traditions associated with them— obviously have cultures/customs that are detached from traditions/spirituality. 🙄🙄🙄

2. Bullsheet! Atheism— a lack of belief in a deity— exists in all beings before religion shows up much later. Why? Because humans are not born with a defacto belief.

3. Rather, tradition/religion is acquired over the course of one's life. In many cases, religion is noted as a response to many of the fears and anxieties experienced in the course of living one's life.

4. Your bias against other religions while pretending yours should be protected from the same scrutiny is noted.

5. Chartered bodies to counter the scam that is the entirety of religion/tradition?

Kobojunkie, your solution of ban all spiritualities was tested in the old USSR and see where they are today after years under communism, Whereas Fidel Castro in Cuba embraced Yoruba spirituality and Cuba is the better for it today. Chairman Mao in China too despite being a communist was a Buddhist and it worked for him and China. It is because those spiritualities are objective and scientific unlike religion.

lawani:
➜ your solution of ban all spiritualities was tested in the old USSR and see where they are today after years under communism,
➜Whereas Fidel Castro in Cuba embraced Yoruba spirituality and Cuba is the better for it today.
➜ Chairman Mao in China too despite being a communist was a Buddhist and it worked for him and China. It is because those spiritualities are objective and scientific unlike religion.

You, not I, are the one who has been campaigning for a ban on religions. I am instead pointing out the extent to which you would need to go if your intentions are, in fact, to be taken seriously.

2. You folks and storytelling ehn! Castro and which Yoruba spirituality? Mao and what Buddhism? What the heck is with the shoddy attempt at rewriting history?

Kobojunkie:
You, not I, are the one who has been campaigning for a ban on religions. I am instead pointing out the extent to which you would need to go if your intentions are, in fact, to be taken seriously.

2. You folks and storytelling ehn! Castro and which Yoruba spirituality? Mao and what Buddhism? What the heck is with the shoddy attempt at rewriting history?

Are you saying Fidel Castro's Cuba did not support IFA?. The Awos even have a seat in the Cuban parliament today. Are you saying Chairman Mao was not a Buddhist?. Even North Korea is supporting Buddhism. You can cherry pick which practice to ban and which to support and you will still be in order. I hope you agree

lawani:
➜Are you saying Fidel Castro's Cuba did not support IFA?. The Awos even have a seat in the Cuban parliament today.
➜ Are you saying Chairman Mao was not a Buddhist?. Even North Korea is supporting Buddhism. You can cherry pick which practice to ban and which to support and you will still be in order. I hope you agree

1. Which Ifa did Castro support?

2. Which Buddhism did Mao support? North Korea supports which Buddhism? You seem quite full of nothing but unsubstantiated tales.

Religion has stay


religion has caused more retards to dye

THE ATHEIST MUST DO IT OWN RESEARCH TO FIND WHO REALLY IS GOD-GRAND ORDER DOMINION.
BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY IS JUST BEGINNING.

orisa37:
THE ATHEIST MUST DO IT OWN RESEARCH TO FIND WHO REALLY IS GOD-GRAND ORDER DOMINION.
BECAUSE CHRISTIANITY IS JUST BEGINNING.

ISLAM LIKE SATAN IS ALUTA CONTINUA

WHO REALLY IS THE GRAND ORDER DOMINION?

ATHEIST ASKING.

Kobojunkie:
Since groups are comprised of individuals, this is obviously wrong thinking. For example, the groups that comprise of atheists across the world — people who don't believe in any deity or traditions associated with them— obviously have cultures/customs that are detached from traditions/spirituality. 🙄🙄🙄

2. Bullsheet! Atheism— a lack of belief in a deity— exists in all beings before religion shows up much later. Why? Because humans are not born with a defacto belief.

3. Rather, tradition/religion is acquired over the course of one's life. In many cases, religion is noted as a response to many of the fears and anxieties experienced in the course of living one's life.

4. Your bias against other religions while pretending yours should be protected from the same scrutiny is noted.

5. Chartered bodies to counter the scam that is the entirety of religion/tradition?

There are over seven thousand traditional spiritualities on Earth corresponding to languages. I support all of them. I don't want any to be extinguished and I want them to be open to scrutiny. You are wrong to say I support only my spirituality. I support all but I am against religion. I am against Christianity and Islam. Get me right

lawani:
✓ There are over seven thousand traditional spiritualities on Earth corresponding to languages.
✓ I support all of them. I don't want any to be extinguished and I want them to be open to scrutiny. You are wrong to say I support only my spirituality. I support all but I am against religion. I am against Christianity and Islam. Get me right

You lied! There are not just over 7000 thousand spiritualities on the planet. The number for those is probably in the millions. Concluding that because that there are just over 7000 languages implies there should also exist the same number of Spiritualities is your ignorant mind deluding you into thinking everyone is as gullible as those in your immediate surroundings.

2. Yet another lie from you. You only support that which conveniently aligns with your particular delusion, same as other religionists are notorious for.

Kobojunkie:
You lied! There are not just over 7000 thousand spiritualities on the planet. The number for those is probably in the millions. Concluding that because that there are just over 7000 languages implies there should also exist the same number of Spiritualities is your ignorant mind deluding you into thinking everyone is as gullible as those in your immediate surroundings.

2. Yet another lie from you. You only support that which conveniently aligns with your particular delusion, same as other religionists are notorious for.

But where are the millions of spiritualities?. In Yoruba land here containing over 70 million people in Nigeria of the over 8 billion on Earth, we have only one traditional spirituality which is our isese, outside that, it remains the religions.
I indeed support all traditional spiritualities because they don't proselytize. I am surprised you are debating that since it should be obvious from my posts. I am against religion ie Christianity and Islam.

lawani:
I indeed support all traditional spiritualities because they don't proselytize.

This is the problem with FAKE RELIGION!

True religion should carry people along in all the earth!

lawani:
✓ But where are the millions of spiritualities?. In Yoruba land here containing over 70 million people in Nigeria of the over 8 billion on Earth, we have only one traditional spirituality which is our isese, outside that, it remains the religions.
✓ I indeed support all traditional spiritualities because they don't proselytize. I am surprised you are debating that since it should be obvious from my posts. I am against religion ie Christianity and Islam.

Earlier your scope was the whole Earth but now you shift to Yoruba land. ,😂😂😂😂😂

You may have one ritual you call isese but that one ritual is applied so many different ways like you have with denominations in the other major religions out there. Yes, on the outside we are told it is all to the same deity but when you drill down to the details, you realize it may just be the same name but different entities. 🤔

Storyland!🥱

MaxInDHouse:
This is the problem with FAKE RELIGION!

True religion should carry people along in all the earth!

Are you saying nations despite speaking different languages should not have differences in the way they approach the supernatural?. This is what religion intends to achieve but they end up breaking into different sects as a result of people interpreting the holy books differently

lawani:
Are you saying nations despite speaking different languages should not have differences in the way they approach the supernatural?. This is what religion intends to achieve but they end up breaking into different sects as a result of people interpreting the holy books differently.

The highlighted is impossible because there will be one problem:

Which standard is best when talking in terms of rulership?

You are thinking of each person talking to his God of course that is spirituality but then ask yourself between Ṣàngó, Ọbàtálá, Ọ̀ṣẹ̀rẹ̀màgbò, Ògún, Èṣù and the likes who should set the standard?

Remember this is just within a region not the whole country called "Nigeria" so if each person faces his or her own deity which is spirituality what of RULERSHIP?
How are we going to settle the case of dos and donts?

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is impossible because there will be one problem:

Which standard is best when talking in terms of rulership?

You are thinking of each person talking to his God of course that is spirituality but then ask yourself between Ṣàngó, Ọbàtálá, Ọ̀ṣẹ̀rẹ̀màgbò, Ògún, Èṣù and the likes who should set the standard?

Remember this is just within a region not the whole country called "Nigeria" so if each person faces his or her own deity which is spirituality what of RULERSHIP?
How are we going to settle the case of dos and donts?

Nations have been existing like that for thousands of years without issues until religions came to try and bind them together by force. It is just like saying unity will not be possible unless we speak the same language. Issues started arising when Christianity became a thing. Before then no issues for the millennia of existence. Traditional spiritualities are the same thing expressed in different forms. There is a supreme deity and lesser deities and our ancestors in heaven help us. It is the same all over. Then they all have divination in different levels of advancement

lawani:
Nations have been existing like that for thousands of years without issues until religions came to try and bind them together by force. It is just like saying unity will not be possible unless we speak the same language. Issues started arising when Christianity became a thing. Before then no issues for the millennia of existence. Traditional spiritualities are the same thing expressed in different forms. There is a supreme deity and lesser deities and our ancestors in heaven help us. It is the same all over. Then they all have divination in different levels of advancement

Ọmọ this is no longer the stone age the world is fast becoming a global village so which of the countless spiritualities should set the standard?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ this is no longer the stone age the world is fast becoming a global village so which of the countless spiritualities should set the standard?

Some of these spiritualities have know how up to Professor level. They have centuries of accumulated know how. I don't support that anyone should go under. What I support is that their priests should have chartered bodies

lawani:
Some of these spiritualities have know how up to Professor level. They have centuries of accumulated know how. I don't support that anyone should go under. What I support is that their priests should have chartered bodies.

So since they know how up to professor level, which one should set standards?

MaxInDHouse:
So since they know how up to professor level, which one should set standards?

The chartered body of the priests of each spirituality should set their own standards

lawani:
The chartered body of the priests of each spirituality should set their own standards

And you think there won't be clashes?

MaxInDHouse:
And you think there won't be clashes?

Like what can be the cause of the clashes?. Everybody is preaching morality and you all have your different chartered priesthoods.