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MaxInDHouse:
Don't cry yet please present your church because only Jehovah's Witnesses are true Christians!

An hideous lie😂😂😂.

MaxInDHouse:
Is contradicting yet you want to use the same thing to correct others!

Lol now you are fighting against Gods words and are not comfortable when it is used to correct your church?
So right now, are you arguing with your brain or are your words the product of another brainless tool of your governing body?

tctrills:
Lol now you are fighting against Gods words.

It's the word of your own God that's full of contradictions the word of our God is unique that's why we all have the same line of thought! John 17:22

MaxInDHouse:
It's the word of your own God that's full of contradictions the word of our God is unique that's why we all have the same line of thought! John 17:22

From my discussion with you today, I have come to learn more about your organization than I ever did.
I finally understand where you are coming from. You have suspended the use of your brain in pursuit of your religion. You allow a governing body to do the thinking for you.
But my big question is has you governing also suspended the use of their brain? This is by far the most important topic we have ever discussed.

tctrills:
Has you governing also suspended the use of their brain?

Exactly as Apostles did taking instructions from Jesus! Luke 9:23

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly as Apostles did taking instructions from Jesus! Luke 9:23

From now on, I will be more sympathetic with you because you are only a mindless tool.
But then, I noticed that you were unable to pronounce your governing body brainless but very bold to call Jesus Christ brainless.
Also, when your governing body commands you to become a suicide bomber, would you remain brainless or would you suddenly grow a brain.
Honestly, I never knew this your doctrine before today. This has opened my understanding to your group.

Lastly, are you conflicting taking instructions and complete obedience with suspending the use of your brain? Because that's a different topic or do you think that when I obey my dad as I child, I am brainless?

You also qouted that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom this simply means that when you fear God, you become wiser not brainless.

MaxInDHouse:
It's the word of your own God that's full of contradictions the word of our God is unique that's why we all have the same line of thought! John 17:22

Yet one says he is an angel while the other says contrariwise😂😂😂😂.

You and your brethren are a joke!!!
Also, your hypocrisy is astonishing 😅.You support there being over 50,000 errors yet when he points out one contradiction 😂, you cry foul!!!

Till now you are yet to answer why the copyist error caused the age change of king ahaziah to result in a contradiction 😂!

Showing the 'thin' line between errors and contradictions 🙄!

After all, a contradiction is an error! 🧐

DaddyCoool:
Keep on bwahaha like a lun till they come and bundle you to Yaba left😆

You must know a lot about that seeing how insane you are. LoLz.

DaddyCoool:
Christ did just that

Yes so repeat the magic. Or are you the fraud you trying hard, but failing, not to look like.

DaddyCoool:
Go argue with placebo effect😆

(Drunkeness is a disease!😅)

LoLz. Use placebo effect to turn water to wine.

DaddyCoool:
You are the one being obtuse sir - forgeting QM is probabilistic. FOR OUR PURPOSES HERE, we want a word that means "makes no SENSE or does not follow a PREDICTABLE pattern from our macro perspective"!! Both "counterintuitive" and "illogical" fit the bill, so we use the shorter word!
No two differently-spelt words mean the same thing in all circumstances!!

Madam if you want to play with words, at least show some finesse about it and stop zigzagging around without a point. Do you think you've said anything profound yet? I'm still waiting for a coherent argument from you because none of what you've said so far has demonstrated the point that you've been desperately trying to make.

And I don't know why you keep stating the obvious. You said "No two different words can mean the same thing in all circumstances". Okay? But I never said anything to the contrary, so who is arguing this with you? 🤨

Yes it is a fact that words have distinct meanings and if anything, you're the only one ignoring those distinctions to prop up your failed position. Your choice of words so far have been sloppy at best, and have only served to obfuscate this conversation even further from when we started it. 🤦🏽

Now she's telling me QM is probabilistic, like anybody following this discussion wasn't already aware. I never forgot about that but well done all the same, Miss Obvious. 🥱

When you're done shining your torchlight under the bright sun for no reason, maybe you can turn it off and make me understand how QM being probabilistic negates what I said about counterintuitive and illogical having two different connotations.

Go ahead. Make my day.

LordReed:
Yes so repeat the magic. Or are you the fraud you trying hard, but failing, not to look like.

Christ is God incarnet. I am not. I don't possess his faith.
Always trying to confuse apples and oranges. Take QM which is highly probabilistic, how can you insist you know for sure whether a particle actually passed through a barrier it shouldn't be able to pass through??!

That a particle APPEARS to have passed through a barrier it shouldn't pass through doesn't mean it indeed passed through it! NO ONE has any way of knowing if it actually passed through the barrier or something else was happening! Just like entanglement, we dont know for sure what's going on! See one physicist's take below.
BTW I read in that site our man keeps citing, quote, "QM is actually magical in relation to the classical context".
These things are MAGICAL from our macro perspective. That's what "magical" means!

DaddyCoool:
Christ is God incarnet. I am not. I don't possess his faith.
Always trying to confuse apples and oranges. Take QM which is highly probabilistic, how can you insist you know for sure whether a particle actually passed through a barrier it shouldn't be able to pass through??!

That a particle APPEARS to have passed through a barrier it shouldn't pass through doesn't mean it indeed passed through it! NO ONE has any way of knowing if it actually passed through the barrier or something else was happening! Just like entanglement, we dont know for sure what's going on! See one physicist's take below.
BTW I read in that site our man keeps citing, quote, "QM is actually magical in relation to the classical context".
These things are MAGICAL from our macro perspective. That's what "magical" means!

Fraud. You claimed you could make anything happen just by thinking about it but when faced with a challenge you've had to modify your position over and over again just so you don’t have actually demonstrate anything. That is full on fraud. LoLz.

I'm done with you, fraud. Bwahahahahahaha!

DaddyCoool:
See him talking mathematical jargon to confuse people!😆
Bottom line, the particle APPEARS to have passed through a barrier it shouldn't pass through! No one has any way of knowing if it actually passed through the barrier or something else. I read in that site you posted quote "QM is actually magical in relation to the classical context".
See below, one physicist's view

Honestly I only shared that link to make a rhetorical point that you should go there and argue with actual physicists since you're so sure of your claims. I was half-serious, and also half-joking. But I like how you cherry picked a single comment from that thread that seemingly supports your claim but ignored the actual punchline of my reference and let it fly swiftly over your head. Lol.

For the avoidance of any doubt, I'll address the comment you lifted from that thread.

The guy in your screenshot compared quantum tunneling to a low resolution game rendering. Personally I don't think his analogy is accurate because if you actually take the time to read on quantum tunneling, you'll learn that it's not necessarily a glitch in the way that guy described it. It is a mathematically precise phenomenon predicted and confirmed through experiments already carried out. Read the subheading in this wiki titled "Mathematical Discussion":
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_tunnelling#:~:text=In%20physics%2C%20quantum%20tunnelling%2C%20barrier,of%20a%20finite%20potential%20well.

I'll reiterate again, and as I've just shown you, quantum tunneling is clearly rooted in mathematical formalisms. So you can make the argument that it is counterintuitive since it defies the notions of classical physics, but it is NOT illogical.

Obviously I expect you to come back once again and bicker some more without a convincing counterargument.

DaddyCoool:
AT CORE (tiniest particles which make up everything) the universe is ILLOGICAL (does not make sense nor follow predictable pattern - from our macro perspective!)

Which one is "AT CORE" again? I hope you're not trying to backpedal with style again? Don't forget your claim was "the universe is illogical". You never included this caveat about tiniest particles when I mentioned you the first time. Plus, even at quantum levels, there are discernable patterns and probabilities. If there weren't patterns and logical underpinnings, then quantum computers shouldn't have existed in the first place. 💁🏽

Illogic might not be an inherent characteristic of the universe afterall. It might only just be a characteristic of your argument in this topic. 🤧

LordReed:
Fraud. You claimed you could make anything happen just by thinking about it but when faced with a challenge you've had to modify your position over and over again just so you don’t have actually demonstrate anything. That is full on fraud. LoLz.

I'm done with you, fraud. Bwahahahahahaha!

Exactly. 😂

She boxed herself into a corner with her suspect claims and now she's throwing everything at the wall except the kitchen sink to salvage her sinking position.

FiveFootNinja:
Madam if you want to play with words, at least show some finesse about it and stop zigzagging around without a point. Do you think you've said anything profound yet? I'm still waiting for a coherent argument from you because none of what you've said so far has demonstrated the point that you've been desperately trying to make.

And I don't know why you keep stating the obvious. You said "No two different words can mean the same thing in all circumstances". Okay? But I never said anything to the contrary, so who is arguing this with you? 🤨

Yes it is a fact that words have distinct meanings and if anything, you're the only one ignoring those distinctions to prop up your failed position. Your choice of words so far have been sloppy at best, and have only served to obfuscate this conversation even further from when we started it. 🤦🏽

Now she's telling me QM is probabilistic, like anybody following this discussion wasn't already aware. I never forgot about that but well done all the same, Miss Obvious. 🥱

When you're done shining your torchlight under the bright sun for no reason, maybe you can turn it off and make me understand how QM being probabilistic negates what I said about counterintuitive and illogical having two different connotations.

Go ahead. Make my day.

Because you keep repeating the stupid statement, "counterintuitive and illogical don't mean exactly the same thing." Who said they did?!
Again, FOR OUR PURPOSES HERE, we want a word that means "makes no SENSE or does not follow a LOGICAL pattern from our macro perspective"! Can you please tell us how ILLOGICAL does not fit that bill.
Also tell us how it is logical that a particle would appear on the other side of a barrier it shouldn't pass through or why something applied to a particle has same effect on a particle light years away. How are these logical from our everyday perspective??

tctrills:
I noticed that you were unable to pronounce your governing body brainless.

You just won't stop deceiving yourself!

Is being brainless and suspending the use of brain the same?

No wonder you've been say God's word contradicts if suspending the use of something means the owner doesn't have it to you that shows the level of your understanding!

MaxInDHouse:
You just won't stop deceiving yourself!

Is being brainless and suspending the use of brain the same?

No wonder you've been say God's word contradicts if suspending the use of something means the owner doesn't have it to you that shows the level of your understanding!

Ok, you have brains, but you stop reasoning with them once you join your group. So, does your governing body make use of their brains or do they, like you, bury what the Lord gave them?
For someone no longer using his brain, it's rich of you to talk about the level of your understanding.

DaddyCoool:
Because you keep repeating the stupid statement, "counterintuitive and illogical don't mean exactly the same thing." Who said they did?!

Uhhmmm... You?

By repeatedly conflating the two words, you ARE implying that they mean the same thing. It's not rocket science, m'lady.

DaddyCoool:
Again, FOR OUR PURPOSES HERE, we want a word that means "makes no SENSE or does not follow a LOGICAL pattern from our macro perspective"! Can you please tell us how ILLOGICAL does not fit that bill.
Also tell us how it is logical that a particle would appear on the other side of a barrier it shouldn't pass through or why something applied to a particle has same effect on a particle light years away. How are these logical from our everyday perspective??

Let's try this one more time.

COUNTER-INTUITIVE: When something happens that goes against our intuitions or expectations, because it directly contradicts our daily experience and how we view and understand the world.

ILLOGICAL: No logical coherence or meaning. Something you literally can't make sense of. If it's impossible to make sense of something, then it's illogical.

Here's a hint: it's possible to make sense of QM.

Anyone who isn't thicker than a bag of rice can tell that these two concepts aren't identical. If you're having difficulties telling the difference, then what can I say? The truth is in the pudding. 🚶🏽🚶🏽🚶🏽

From Google, for the sake of emphasis.

tctrills:
Ok, you have brains, but you stop reasoning with them once you join your group. So, does your governing body make use of their brains or do they, like you, bury what the Lord gave them?
For someone no longer using his brain, it's rich of you to talk about the level of your understanding.

Ọmọ if simple English confuses you like this then you need an English teacher.

The Bible is God's word it's clearly stated that Jesus SUSPENDED the use of his brain whenever it comes to matters of pure worship and rely solely on whatever his father says! John 5:30

His Apostles SUSPENDED the use of their brains and solely rely on whatever Jesus says when it comes to matters of pure worship! Luke 9:23

The disciples SUSPENDED the use of their brains and solely rely on whatever the Apostles teaches them when it comes to matters regarding pure worship! Hebrews 13:17

It doesn't mean they won't use their brains again but it's when pure worship is the matter at hand.
So read carefully and digest before you think of responding there's no way you can refute whatever i say because it's established in the scriptures!

MaxInDHouse:
You just won't stop deceiving yourself!

Is being brainless and suspending the use of brain the same?

No wonder you've been say God's word contradicts if suspending the use of something means the owner doesn't have it to you that shows the level of your understanding!

😁You and this your weak analogy.

Don't you know that instantaneously they are the same!🤨

Being brainless and not using one's brain, instantaneously achieves the same result— emphasis on instantaneous 👀, knowing fully well how dumb you are and how you are also certified with a doctorate's degree in lies hence the clarification!

See it this way, 👀A suspended professional player won't play professional football for the time being😁, which definitely makes him no different than an amateur🤨.

Gabrielshow24:
You and this your weak analogy.

Weak but got lots of admirers!

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same christain doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if simple English confuses you like this then you need an English teacher.

The Bible is God's word it's clearly stated that Jesus SUSPENDED the use of his brain whenever it comes to matters of pure worship and rely solely on whatever his father says! John 5:30

His Apostles SUSPENDED the use of their brains and solely rely on whatever Jesus says when it comes to matters of pure worship! Luke 9:23

The disciples SUSPENDED the use of their brains and solely rely on whatever the Apostles teaches them when it comes to matters regarding pure worship! Hebrews 13:17

It doesn't mean they won't use their brains again but it's when pure worship is the matter at hand.
So read carefully and digest before you think of responding there's no way you can refute whatever i say because it's established in the scriptures!

No verse in the entire bible stated that Jesus or his followers suspended the use of their brains. Jesus Christ even urged his followers to be as wise as serpents.
If you are referring to their complete obedience to God as suspending their brain, I will understand and sympathize with you knowing that you have suspended the use of your brain.
Again I ask, did your governing body suspend the use of their brains too. Because it seems they are the only JW allowed to use their brains.

Proverbs 4:7, Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and in all thy getting get understanding."

tctrills:
If you are referring to their complete obedience to God as suspending their brain, I will understand.

Jesus will be accused, arrested, charged, tried, found guilty, judged, sentenced and executed as a blasphemer when it's all based on falsehood.
To him it's not right (using of his own brain) but he suspended that and say to his father:

"Let your will be done" Luke 22:42

His Apostles must disown themselves in order to continue being his followers {Luke 9:23} abeg how do you DISOWN yourself if you don't suspend the use of your own brain?

Ọmọ this is beyond what you can refute i only want everyone to see how confused you are when it comes to the understanding of God's word!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus will be accused, arrested, charged, tried, found guilty, judged, sentenced and executed as a blasphemer when it's all based on falsehood.
To him it's not right (using of his own brain) but he suspended that and say to his father:

"Let your will be done" Luke 22:42

His Apostles must disown themselves in order to continue being his followers {Luke 9:23} abeg how do you DISOWN yourself if you don't suspend the use of your own brain?

Ọmọ this is beyond what you can refute i only want everyone to see how confused you are when it comes to the understanding of God's word!

You truly are no longer using your brain. Let your will be done is the statement of one using his brain. Allowing another person's will to supersede ours is not a sign of abandoning our brain. Accepting a superior is not a sign of brainlessness. So a man and his wife were debating over a certain subject, and the man then decided to accept the wife's argument. Is that what you call suspending the use of his brain?
In my home, we the parents make the law, and our kids abide by our will. does it mean they have suspended their reasoning?
So you are telling the world that JW people no longer use their brains because of the phrase Let your will be done.
This is seriously interesting.
Again, do your governing body use their brains?

Luke 9:23 KJV: And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
It takes someone with a lot of brain power and higher reasoning to deny himself of gratification.

LordReed:
Fraud. You claimed you could make anything happen just by thinking about it but when faced with a challenge you've had to modify your position over and over again just so you don’t have actually demonstrate anything. That is full on fraud. LoLz.

I'm done with you, fraud. Bwahahahahahaha!

You are the fraud sir. Quite obviously.
Why do you keep LYING that I said "anything"? Please show where I said "anything". Bwahahahahahaha!

tctrills:
You truly are no longer using your brain. Let your will be done is the statement of one using his brain.

So what does he meant by:

Father let this cup pass over me?

Because that's what is right going by his own thinking o!

FiveFootNinja:
Uhhmmm... You?

By repeatedly conflating the two words, you ARE implying that they mean the same thing. It's not rocket science, m'lady.



Let's try this one more time.

COUNTER-INTUITIVE: When something happens that goes against our intuitions or expectations, because it directly contradicts our daily experience and how we view and understand the world.

ILLOGICAL: No logical coherence or meaning. Something you literally can't make sense of. If it's impossible to make sense of something, then it's illogical.

Here's a hint: it's possible to make sense of QM.

Anyone who isn't thicker than a bag of rice can tell that these two concepts aren't identical. If you're having difficulties telling the difference, then what can I say? The truth is in the pudding. 🚶🏽🚶🏽🚶🏽

Are you just pretending to be obtuse sir?
The most important parts of my statement are:
FOR OUR PURPOSES HERE and
FROM OUR MACRO PERSPECTIVE

Now rewrite your post using those and we'll see who is thicker than a bag of rice!

MaxInDHouse:
So what does he meant by:

Father let this cup pass over me?

Because that's what is right going by his own thinking o!

Oga, for the sake of this discussion, use your brain, please. We know you have suspended your brain. So, Jesus Christ did not suspend his brain; rather, he suspended his will. Those are two very different things.
Your will is the things you want. Many times, we suspend our will for something better. A student wants to play video games all night, but he suspends his wants and picks up his book; does that make him brainless? As a husband, you often suspend your will for that of your wife; does that make you brainless?

FiveFootNinja:
Which one is "AT CORE" again? I hope you're not trying to backpedal with style again? Don't forget your claim was "the universe is illogical". You never included this caveat about tiniest particles when I mentioned you the first time. Plus, even at quantum levels, there are discernable patterns and probabilities. If there weren't patterns and logical underpinnings, then quantum computers shouldn't have existed in the first place. 💁🏽

Illogic might not be an inherent characteristic of the universe afterall. It might only just be a characteristic of your argument in this topic. 🤧

There you go again sir.
Now re-write the above post using:
FROM OUR MACRO PERSPECTIVE and we'll see whose argument has illogic as characteristic!