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LordReed:
LoLz. Any time you see someone try to use quantum mechanics to prove magic ,there's no need to bother, you know the person has gotten lost in some internet rabbit hole of kookie jargons.

I'm not using quantum mechanics to prove anything. It's just one illustration of how your attention could create reality and that the universe at core is neither logical nor goes by common sense! Examples abound - if you looking at something you're not actually seeing the thing, you're experiencing something in your own head. Hence you could be clearly seeing a distant star that actually disappeared thousands of years ago. So the universe is actually happening in your head. The belief is that it's NOT just happening but that you're actually the one creating the aspect of it that pertains to you!

DaddyCoool:
I'm not using quantum mechanics to prove anything. It's just one illustration of how your attention could create reality and that the universe at core is neither logical nor goes by common sense! Examples abound - if you looking at something you're not actually seeing the thing, you're experiencing something in your own head. Hence you could be clearly seeing a distant star that actually disappeared thousands of years ago. So the universe is actually happening in your head. The belief is that it's NOT just happening but that you're actually the one creating the aspect of it that pertains to you!

LoLz. No matter you call it QM doesn't lend credence to any dort of magic. You are trying to cooperation something you barely understand into your kookie jargons.

You cannot even tell me something you can achieve with your magic that I can't without it.

DaddyCoool:
Oga sir, like the Bereans I read the Bible MYSELF and interpret it to the best of my ability with my God-given faculties -

Who told you Beroean Jews interpret the Bible themselves?

So this is the lie Satan is promoting that you subscribe to shey?

Well they didn't interpret it themselves it is what Paul INTERPRETED that they were searching other scriptures to know for sure if it's so.

For instance Paul was a Jew and he also practiced Judaism before but now he is claiming Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ which 99% of the Jews kicked against the idea! John 9:22

So it's the fulfillment of prophecies that occurred during the life of Jesus and the events that followed his death that Paul was interpreting to prove that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ {Act 17:1-4} and that's what the Jews in Beroea were searching the scriptures to verify if this is true not that each person is interpreting the scriptures to cause contradictions just like it is among you people today!

Gabrielshow24:
What kind of soft porn rhetoric are you passing across🤨?🤣🤣🤣🤣
Don't you think the world is going back to the 'original way'? 🤨
Many are now going unclad, shouldn't that be a good thing in your book.
They are no longer treating others as 'strangers'🤣🤣🤣.
They feel very 'natural' in their bodies🤨.
You are indeed a messenger of Satan!!!

Answer the question:
If you and your wife are alone in a whole mansion where nobody could be allowed to enter do you people need clothes on?
YES or NO.

MrPresident1:
This is blasphemy. You are going to hell.

Mr politicians please interpret what Jesus meant here:

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative........I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me. " John 5:30

My own interpretation: Jesus suspended the use of his brain only to do exactly as his father says.

Oya Mr Hellfire politician let's hear yours.

MaxInDHouse:
Who told you Beroean Jews interpret the Bible themselves?

So this is the lie Satan is promoting that you subscribe to shey?

Well they didn't interpret it themselves it is what Paul INTERPRETED that they were searching other scriptures to know for sure if it's so.

For instance Paul was a Jew and he also practiced Judaism before but now he is claiming Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ which 99% of the Jews kicked against the idea! John 9:22

So it's the fulfillment of prophecies that occurred during the life of Jesus and the events that followed his death that Paul was interpreting to prove that Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ {Act 17:1-4} and that's what the Jews in Beroea were searching the scriptures to verify if this is true not that each person is interpreting the scriptures to cause contradictions just like it is among you people today!

When you suspend your brain (like you freely admit you have done), what faculty will you be using to search the scriptures? And what exactly would you be looking for when your guru (in your case JW insiders) have spoken?
So, oga, they clearly did NOT suspend their brains!

(By the way Pau wasl a Jew and remained a practicing Jew. That he believed Christ didn't cause him to stop practicing Judiasm)

LordReed:
LoLz. No matter you call it QM doesn't lend credence to any dort of magic. You are trying to cooperation something you barely understand into your kookie jargons.

You cannot even tell me something you can achieve with your magic that I can't without it.

Well, everything in the universe is comprised of those quantum particles. If they only materialise when you focuse your attention on them, it is NOT far-fetched to assume that what we focuse on, what we imagine, materialises.

Different versions of you could be floating around, but the one you focuse on becomes your reality. Say you decide to focuse on ("download"} the version that's wealthy, healthy and has it all together, that becomes your reality. You can also mindlessly download the version of you that's poor and struggling!

DaddyCoool:
When you suspend your brain (like you freely admit you have done), what faculty will you be using to search the scriptures?

Suspending my brains means i will only act on the interpretations of those Jesus assigned to teach his group {Matthew 24:45; 28:20} so that we all can WORK together as ONE! John 17:20-23
But when it's time to defend my faith then i will pray for God's Holy Spirit to remind me all the things i've learned. John 14:26
Aren't you amazed at such efficacy with which i'm handling the scriptures? 2Timothy 2:15
Well it's a sign that i'm on the same page with Jesus! Act 4:13

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus suspended the use of his brain for the (unseen God) Apostles suspended the use of their brains for Jesus (a man they can see) disciples suspended the use of their brains for apostles (men they can see)
So God has human representatives to whom we must be SUBMISSIVE! Hebrews 13:17

maxi try all you want no body go follow that demonic jw ways. You are fighting a lose battle. The eyes of people are opened

DaddyCoool:
Can you believe in a million years that something can be in more than one place at once or that something will not exist until YOU look at it?

In quantum mechanics there are infinite possibilities. A particle will be everywhere but will only materialise where you happen to look. Your attention makes it real at that spot. So also real life.

Hi. If you don't mind, maybe we can conduct an experiment based on your logic here? Maybe you should turn around, and let's test your observation hypothesis with a bullet from a gun. Afterall, you're not going to see it, so the gun shouldn't exist. What say ye? 🙃

MaxInDHouse:
Mr politicians please interpret what Jesus meant here:

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative........I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me. " John 5:30

My own interpretation: Jesus suspended the use of his brain only to do exactly as his father says.

Oya Mr Hellfire politician let's hear yours.

🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are that pained😅.
Chai, Max needs a booboo🤤.

I believe in what he said🤔 and I also believe that you are not just going to hell 🤨, you are already there! 😅

FiveFootNinja:
Hi. If you don't mind, maybe we can conduct an experiment based on your logic here? Maybe you should turn around, and let's test your observation hypothesis with a bullet from a gun. Afterall, you're not going to see it, so the gun shouldn't exist. What say ye? 🙃

While this reply is witty, it misrepresents her views.

She's only making a case for God using QM.
The laws of QM are quite different!!!

Hence, You can't compare both instances🙃.

NATASHA AKPOTI IS OFFERING HER OTHER LEGISLATORS THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT.

Gabrielshow24:
While this reply is witty, it misrepresents her views.

She's only making a case for God using QM.
The laws of QM are quite different!!!

Hence, You can't compare both instances🙃.

I was only following her logic to its most plausible conclusion. These were her words:

DaddyCoool:
A particle will be everywhere but will only materialise where you happen to look. Your attention makes it real at that spot. So also real life.

Notice how she emphasized her point in the part I highlighted below:

DaddyCoool:
I'm not using quantum mechanics to prove anything. It's just one illustration of how your attention could create reality and that the universe at core is neither logical nor goes by common sense! Examples abound - if you looking at something you're not actually seeing the thing, you're experiencing something in your own head. Hence you could be clearly seeing a distant star that actually disappeared thousands of years ago. So the universe is actually happening in your head. The belief is that it's NOT just happening but that you're actually the one creating the aspect of it that pertains to you!

And this:

DaddyCoool:
Well, everything in the universe is comprised of those quantum particles. If they only materialise when you focuse your attention on them, it is NOT far-fetched to assume that what we focuse on, what we imagine, materialises.

You're the one making it sound like she was just making a philosophical point when she has repeatedly asserted that reality is likely just a construct of the human mind. You can see it above. If you can't see how she's done that, then maybe you're not focusing on the implications of her statements, or you're retrofitting them to confirm with another narrative you've got in your head.

So no, I didn't misrepresent what she said. The problem is a lot of you just make bold claims, but you don't stop to really think about them, and understand what those claims imply. I understand she was trying to use QM metaphorically, but I don't think she thought well enough of the logical consequences of her analogy.

Anyway sha let her come and explain herself. If she's just using QM as a rhetorical device to shield her claims about magic, then she'll just be wasting her time because her argument will fall flat if we really want to get experimental. Lol.

FiveFootNinja:
Hi. If you don't mind, maybe we can conduct an experiment based on your logic here? Maybe you should turn around, and let's test your observation hypothesis with a bullet from a gun. Afterall, you're not going to see it, so the gun shouldn't exist. What say ye? 🙃

But the gun already exists. It only works with things that don’t exist and you want to bring them into existence - you imagine them and focus on them and they materialise. Something like, say, a version of yourself different from the one that currently obtains!

FiveFootNinja:
I was only following her logic to its most plausible conclusion. These were her words:


Notice how she emphasized her point in the part I highlighted below:


And this:


You're the one making it sound like she was just making a philosophical point when she has repeatedly asserted that reality is likely just a construct of the human mind. You can see it above. If you can't see how she's done that, then maybe you're not focusing on the implications of her statements, or you're retrofitting them to confirm with another narrative you've got in your head.

So no, I didn't misrepresent what she said. The problem is a lot of you just make bold claims, but you don't stop to really think about them, and understand what those claims imply. I understand she was trying to use QM metaphorically, but I don't think she thought well enough of the logical consequences of her analogy.

Anyway sha let her come and explain herself. If she's just using QM as a rhetorical device to shield her claims about magic, then she'll just be wasting her time because her argument will fall flat if we really want to get experimental. Lol.

If that is the case, her statement is half-true!

It's only within the boundaries of QT that such is the case.

Once in a while, her analogies are somewhat weak.

Many atheists have pounced on her weak analogy fallacies in times past hopefully she corrects it sooner than later!

Alright 👍, thanks for clarifying.

DaddyCoool:
But the gun already exists. It only works with things that don’t exist and you want to bring them into existence - you imagine them and focus on them and they materialise. Something like, say, a version of yourself different from the one that currently obtains!

But how do you know the gun already exists? You haven't seen it yet! 🌚

All jokes aside, I don't think you have a very good understanding of quantum physics if you insist on this funny looking explanation. Quantum effects are not intuitive. They take place at a subatomic level, and under no condition can they scale up to macroscopic objects.

Also, they cannot scale up to metaphysical lengths of transforming yourself from one level of consciousness to another. You cannot use focused attention to transform yourself from one version to another. It won't just happen in an instant. If you are referring to change in character, then that's a result of years of experience and active, observable changes in your own brain, that will bring about a different you. You cannot manifest an alternate version of yourself in a blink of an eye. So it's very ridiculous to think that quantum effects can align with our everyday experiences in that manner.

That's why your argument is dead on arrival, because you seem to be misapplying the principles of QM to falsely argue that with enough focus, you can just bring things to existence just like that. In QM, there's no difference between things that exist and things that don't exist. All particles exist in a state of superposition until they're measured (Look up Copenhagen). I only brought up the gun to challenge your concept of things only manifesting in reality when you observe them. You can't observe my gun at this very moment, but it doesn't make it any less real.

Gabrielshow24:
If that is the case, her statement is half-true!

It's only within the boundaries of QT that such is the case.

Once in a while, her analogies are somewhat weak.

Many atheists have pounced on her weak analogy fallacies in times past hopefully she corrects it sooner than later!

Alright 👍, thanks for clarifying.

Glad you see my point.

DaddyCoool:
Well, everything in the universe is comprised of those quantum particles. If they only materialise when you focuse your attention on them, it is NOT far-fetched to assume that what we focuse on, what we imagine, materialises.

Different versions of you could be floating around, but the one you focuse on becomes your reality. Say you decide to focuse on ("download"} the version that's wealthy, healthy and has it all together, that becomes your reality. You can also mindlessly download the version of you that's poor and struggling!

Still skipping the question: tell me something you can achieve with your magic that I can't without it.

Samueltemi337:
That's your fellow man you are replying to

If you look at one of my post I was not sure what gender it was but as soon as I saw something, I now new that, that thing is a "She".

LordReed:
The story has more plot holes than a sieve.

No one can tell a whole story spanning generations without holes and cuts. So you are talking rubbish.

LordReed:
Except magic cannot be seen anywhere. Reality may be strange but it isn't like a fantasy tale.

You will always be a devil
So even as you see Isreal and Gaza fighting and all, yet you choose to Lie;

FiveFootNinja:
But how do you know the gun already exists? You haven't seen it yet! 🌚

All jokes aside, I don't think you have a very good understanding of quantum physics if you insist on this funny looking explanation. Quantum effects are not intuitive. They take place at a subatomic level, and under no condition can they scale up to macroscopic objects.

Also, they cannot scale up to metaphysical lengths of transforming yourself from one level of consciousness to another. You cannot use focused attention to transform yourself from one version to another. It won't just happen in an instant. If you are referring to change in character, then that's a result of years of experience and active, observable changes in your own brain, that will bring about a different you. You cannot manifest an alternate version of yourself in a blink of an eye. So it's very ridiculous to think that quantum effects can align with our everyday experiences in that manner.

That's why your argument is dead on arrival, because you seem to be misapplying the principles of QM to falsely argue that with enough focus, you can just bring things to existence just like that. In QM, there's no difference between things that exist and things that don't exist. All particles exist in a state of superposition until they're measured (Look up Copenhagen). I only brought up the gun to challenge your concept of things only manifesting in reality when you observe them. You can't observe my gun at this very moment, but it doesn't make it any less real.

I'm not applying QM to anything, I'm only using it to illustrate that the universe is NOT logical as we are hard-wired to believe. Something that happens everyday, yet you say it cannot happen. Take placebo effect, you'd say that cannot happen, yet it happens everyday! Just know that human understanding of the universe is extremely limited. Nobody says it has to happen in an instant but it has been demonstrated over and over that when people believe something (within reason) without doubt, it happens - exactly as Christ said!
As for version of yourself, you keep using the word instantaneously. Who said it has to be instantaneous? The truth is, even disregarding QM, you can’t consistently see yourself as (example) clean and well-dressed and stay dirty and unkempt for long. Once it gets into a certain depth of your subconscious it must become real.
That can be applied to other aspects of life - once "the universe" gets the message it will arrange things to somewhat effortlessly bring it into being - however hard it would seem to us and however far-fetched it would seem from the current circumstances (infact you can almost say the current circumstances are irrelevant), also don't consider the question "how", you can almost say it is also irrelevant!

Gabrielshow24:
While this reply is witty, it misrepresents her views.

Merci beaucoup sir!

DaddyCoool:
1. How can they know eating the fruit was bad if they didn't know bad from good

2. Why didn't they eat the tree of life all that time - and they were NOT forbidden from it. It said clearly they were banished so they won't eat it (NOT so they won't continue eating it)

3. Why was the Serpent created wise and tricky but not them, and then allowed access to them, knowing he can easily deceive them

4. Eve, who was the one deceived, was not yet created when God gave Adam the instruction

5. Omniscient God already knew they'd eat the fruit even before they were created

6. Life also became difficult for animals even though they didn't eat any fruit

7. The Serpent's punishment was crawling on the ground, but that's what Serpents do, that's just their nature, and they do it effortlessly, and they're not the only ones who crawl.

Add yours

**Added:

8. What was Adam supposed to do, his wife now knew he was a slowpoke who did not even know he was naked. If he didn't eat the fruit, if you were his wife, would you stay married to a slowpoke with no self-awareness?🤣

The story does not make any sense. That's because it's not an actual historical story. It is a retelling/re cast of an earlier Babylonian myth. In the Babylonian version Adapa/Adam did not eat the food/fruit in both cases, man lost the chance to dwell indefinitely on earth.

LordReed:
Still skipping the question: tell me something you can achieve with your magic that I can't without it.

That's because the question is irrelevant. The magic lies in the fact that (contrary to our hard-wiring that things have to be logical and lineal) once "the universe" gets the message (or once it gets to a certain level of our subconscious) it will arrange things to somewhat effortlessly bring it into being - no matter how hard it seems to us and however far-fetched it would seem from the current circumstances (infact you can almost say the current circumstances are irrelevant). You can also almost say the question of "how" is irrelevant. That is the magic!

DaddyCoool:
How do you know? Are you wiser than Christ who took it literally? There are many things we don't understand and will never understand, and the universe is stranger than we can ever imagine. So just because something has non sequiturs doesn’t mean it didn't happen.

This one didn't..

Like he said, it is an allegory. We are expected to read it and learn the hidden messages..

DaddyCoool:
I'm not applying QM to anything, I'm only using it to illustrate that the universe is NOT logical as we are hard-wired to believe. Something that happens everyday, yet you say it cannot happen. Take placebo effect, you'd say that cannot happen, yet it happens everyday! Just know that human understanding of the universe is extremely limited. Nobody says it has to happen in an instant but it has been demonstrated over and over that when people believe something (within reason) without doubt, it happens - exactly as Christ said!
As for version of yourself, you keep using the word instantaneously. Who said it has to be instantaneous? The truth is, even disregarding QM, you can’t consistently see yourself as (example) clean and well-dressed and stay dirty and unkempt for long. Once it gets into a certain depth of your subconscious it must become real.
That can be applied to other aspects of life - once "the universe" gets the message it will arrange things to somewhat effortlessly bring it into being - however hard it would seem to us and however far-fetched it would seem from the current circumstances (infact you can say the current circumstances is irrelevant), also don't consider the question "how", you can almost say it is also irrelevant!

The start of your first paragraph is already a contradiction.

DaddyCoool:
I'm not applying QM to anything...

DaddyCoool:
...I'm only using it to illustrate that the universe is NOT logical as we are hard-wired to believe

I think you know you've overextended a bit with your argument and now you're trying to play it safe. It was comments like these that made me quote you in the first place:

DaddyCoool:
YES!! If you are able to honestly see yourself as totally already that. But it doesn't go by comparison (richest), but that may happen by default. It's a power we just don't use because our brain is wired to believe things have to make sense when in fact the universe is NOT logical at all!😆. Quantum mechanics has proven it!

It's pretty obvious you were trying to portray your worldview as being evidenced by QM claiming it as a framework for your belief, so it's a bit strange now that after this framework has been shown to be problematic, you are now trying to disclaim it and distance yourself from your past attempts of applying it. 😒

I have not claimed that the universe is logical or vice versa. I don't know enough to make any blanket assumptions. All I have alluded to is the fact that the universe as we know is governed by certain laws. Also I don't think your reference to the placebo effect as proof of the universe being illogical is accurate at all.

There have been research works and studies made and documented in neurobiology for the placebo effect. It has been established that the mind can influence the body's reactions through biochemical pathways. What's so mysterious or "illogical" there? 🤷🏽

And you're confusing yourself with a lot of concepts here. Like psychology for instance. It's basic psychology that if I'm envisioning myself as being clean, I'm motivating myself to take a shower, whether I'm conscious of that fact or not. And this is normal human behavior.

No dey whine us abeg. You need actual evidence to make this kind of argument to work. All these ones you're saying right now is just yarns. 🙄

sonmvayina:
This one didn't..

Like he said, it is an allegory. We are expected to read it and learn the hidden messages..

Well, I may not know much but I know one thing FOR SURE: you are NOT wiser nor know better than Christ!
Christ and the apostles regarded the story as historical fact, even tracing genealogy of Christ to Adam. Who am I to believe, you or them? You who know almost nothing about how the universe works!

DaddyCoool:
That's because the question is irrelevant. The magic lies in the fact that (contrary to our hard-wiring that things have to be logical and lineal) once "the universe" gets the message (or once it gets to a certain level of our subconscious) it will arrange things to somewhat effortlessly bring it into being - no matter how hard it seems to us and however far-fetched it would seem from the current circumstances (infact you can almost say the current circumstances are irrelevant). You can also almost say the question of "how" is irrelevant. That is the magic!

This is just pathetic. Calling the ability to achieve a goal magic is the most insipid thing I ever heard.

StillDtruth:
You will always be a devil
So even as you see Isreal and Gaza fighting and all, yet you choose to Lie;

Where did they use magic in the fight?

LordReed:
This is just pathetic. Calling the ability to achieve a goal magic is the most insipid thing I ever heard.

Consider sir, because we don't know the universe works like magic, when we want to accomplish something the first and usually only things we consider are our prevailing circumstances and how "hard" it would be from there, and secondly, "how" (the steps we have to take to get there). The magic is in the fact we can actually almost ignore those two things that seem the most important!

sonmvayina:
The story does not make any sense. That's because it's not an actual historical story. It is a retelling/re cast of an earlier Babylonian myth. In the Babylonian version Adapa/Adam did not eat the food/fruit in both cases, man lost the chance to dwell indefinitely on earth.

And it doesn't occur to you that they're both talking of same HOSTORICAL occurrence but with distortions from re-telling and human memory?