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Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by ValeeLove(m): 9:03pm On Mar 30, 2025
samistry:
I haven't seen one who claims to be a critic but doesn't even know the history of what he's criticising.
The ECW influence led to WWE having hardcore matches in late 90s and early 2000s in WWE.
By ruthless aggression era they were all but a rarity.
The hardcore title was discontinued in 2002.
What's the point of me criticising what hasn't been done in years at this point?
The company went PG post 2008.

You expect me to be angry and critic over what has stopped happening?

I listed all the dangerous spots AEW has had in the LAST SIX YEARS you couldn't bring a point to counter this except it's their body and should be left alone. Are they more hardcore than RVD who has seen what these unprotected chair shots and hardcore spots does to the human body over time? CTE, Pill addictions and suicide.

You said Swerve has right to brag about the big stadium show he entertained in.
I countered by stating the biggest match he had prior to WWE was in a hardcore match on Lucha underground.
You couldn't bring a fact to counter this.
You only rebutted by stating it isn't a genuine question. Counter with facts my friend

You're not a regular here isn't a valid excuse to conveniently avoid seeing the criticisms I've thrown at WWE severally.

You don't even know chairshots to the head are unsafe hence why they hit em in the back.
AEW has proven to be unsafe severally time after time. You can hit a chairshot to the back but there's no preparing the human body for taking a spiked weapon or continuing a match after someone's head hits concrete floor.

Mr 'Wrestling Critic' that doesn't even know what he's talking about. BRONSON REED and TONGA LOA are still injured after the last war games match. The match you claimed only had torn silk shirts.

Is the Moxley Spike moment viral when it didn't even beat NXT in that week's rating? Who would remember it after that week.
You can't compare that with Brock Bulldozer spot at wrestlemania unless you want to lie to yourself.
There's no point comparing WWE social numbers to that of AEW who are holding events in smaller arenas now. AEW isn't competing with WWE, they are competing with its developmental show. NXT.
There's nothing you can tell me about AEW that I don't know. I've been watching it since 2019 till date.

You're saying Jade botches less compared to when she was in AEW but is still a bad wrestler.
You just dey contradict yourself grin

Doing something with less mistakes than before is actually progress.
Yes, she may not be able to have long technical matches now but as good ol cornette says.
'Accentuate the strength, hide the weaknesses'.
Goldberg and Ultimate Warrior weren't ring generals either but they were successful at wrestling.
After all, Gable Stevenson, WRESTLING GOLD MEDALIST at the 2020 Olympics was fired by the WWE because he wasn't improving.
If Jade is as bad as you say then she would have been fired like Gable stevenson.
taking me back to ECW era is kind of insulting to me. Any true wrestling fan knows the role ECW played in promoting hardcore wrestling. The word I used was "popularize" not "invent".

Hardcore matches exist to this day in WWE, so I expect you to still criticize it. But not necessarily from a standpoint of danger, but from logic. Wrestling is supposed to hurt a little, it's why it takes a toll on the wrestlers. Note, this is just me speaking from a standard wrestling match standpoint; now imagine you bring weapons to the game, now the chances of getting hurt increase exponentially. So the way the sport is designed, you can't exempt them from getting hurt as long as hardcore matches are concerned. So don't say AEW is necessarily wack because they get hurt; they are supposed to get hurt. Hardcore and danger go hand in hand. That being said AEW can be extreme and careless, noted. WWE isn't much better anyway cos they still do these matches, but in a safer way, hence the matches lack quality. How can you say you wrestled War Games and you didn't bother bleeding? People bleed in boxing and UFC - these are bare-handed fights - and here you are, steel cage, weapons and all, and yet all you have to show for it are torn silk? Dump the whole concept, that's the solution. I never avoided the question, I gave solution to it.

How does where he wrestled prior to NXT make his assertion a lie? Are you stuck in the past or you want to be present? He is saying I was bigger than that NXT level, yet they thought it was a lie, trashed me and fired me and now I have proved them wrong. Your only point to counter his(despite his receipts) is that he inserts syringes in his mouth. That can be a criticism, but it is no where a full definition of his career as a wrestler. He only used that concept to represent the gruesome story he and Page had been part of. That is too small of an example to define him. You nitpicked. Death-match Moxley was a WWE champion. He had qualities that made him so and the fans loved him. You can't use 1 criticism to summarize his career. It's not as if the WWE training system is even excellent itself. Some of their wrestlers can only do matches unless it's choreographed; that's not good enough. How many wrestlers that don't put syringe to mouth have made the kind of impact Swerve has. If he goes to WWE today, he's heading straight for the main roster, which proves his point that he supercedes NXT(remember this was what began this debate).

The WarGames match I referred to was the first one featuring The Bloodline.

Again, viral isn't going to cut it. So what happens if they don't bring bulldozers to the matches, they won't go viral? Then why are we watching; for wrestling or for machines? If you need machines for your matches to go viral, then you're doing a poor job as a wrestler.

Mox's was viral too. WWE's level of viral isn't same as AEW's.

Jade botching less isn't an improvement for a "reknown wrestler"; that's improvement for a rookie in PC and not a superstar on TV.

Don't defend her, she's not even on the level of those guys you mentioned regardless of how bad they were. She shouldn't be on TV wrestling, simple.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by ValeeLove(m): 9:05pm On Mar 30, 2025
pu7pl3:
What's your point?
Swerve is not wrong.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by Samistry2: 6:52am On Mar 31, 2025
ValeeLove has conspired with spambot to pull a Montreal screwjob on my account.

Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by Samistry3: 8:32am On Mar 31, 2025
@valeelove

Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by Samistry3: 8:56am On Mar 31, 2025
@valeelove

Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by pu7pl3(op): 12:10pm On Mar 31, 2025
Samistry2:
ValeeLove has conspired with spambot to pull a Montreal screwjob on my account.
Make Una come settle am for backstage.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by Samistry3: 12:28pm On Mar 31, 2025
pu7pl3:
Make Una come settle am for backstage.
He would never survive a banzai drop from my 300 pound frame grin
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by pu7pl3(op): 2:02pm On Mar 31, 2025
Samistry3:
He would never survive a banzai drop from my 300 pound frame grin
I didn't know this was Bronson's burner
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by pu7pl3(op): 2:02pm On Mar 31, 2025
Who?

Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by CoolUsername: 3:10pm On Mar 31, 2025
Samistry2:
ValeeLove has conspired with spambot to pull a Montreal screwjob on my account.
Samistry screwed Samistry
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by CoolUsername: 3:15pm On Mar 31, 2025
Samistry3:
@valeelove
I'm surprised by how arrogant Swerve is being. If the likes of Asuka, Nakamura, and freaking Samoa Joe had to go through NXT, then who is Swerve Strickland? WWE probably how bad Sin Cara turned out to be and decided to the do mandatory NXT tour for newly signed wrestlers.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by CoolUsername: 3:16pm On Mar 31, 2025
pu7pl3:
Who?
Randy Orton
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by ValeeLove(m): 7:06pm On Mar 31, 2025
CoolUsername:
I'm surprised by how arrogant Swerve is being. If the likes of Asuka, Nakamura, and freaking Samoa Joe had to go through NXT, then who is Swerve Strickland? WWE probably how bad Sin Cara turned out to be and decided to the do mandatory NXT tour for newly signed wrestlers.
newly formed wrestlers except Jade Cargill. AJ Styles turned out fine. Besides Swerves has already been there and won a championship. His boys Hit Row got to the main roster. Surely he deserves to go there.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by ValeeLove(m):
Samistry2:
ValeeLove has conspired with spambot to pull a Montreal screwjob on my account.
I know nothing of this. I hate that bot too. And no, I'm not secretly aligning with it for shock value.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by pu7pl3(op): 8:05pm On Mar 31, 2025
CoolUsername:
Randy Orton
Solid choice
But I'd go for TripleH.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by pu7pl3(op): 1:37pm On Apr 01, 2025
Looks like we finally got our Cena Vs Cody word fight.
I think Cody held his own really well.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by samistry(m): 3:58pm On Apr 01, 2025
Rocky 4 grin

Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by CoolUsername: 5:57pm On Apr 01, 2025
ValeeLove:
newly formed wrestlers except Jade Cargill. AJ Styles turned out fine. Besides Swerves has already been there and won a championship. His boys Hit Row got to the main roster. Surely he deserves to go there.
I'm taking about him complaining that he was being given instructions in NXT.

Of course, AJ Styles, who was arguably the best wrestler in the world at the time, got into the main roster directly. But the fact of the matter is that guys experienced guys like Samoa Joe, Bobby Roode, Nakamura, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Johnny Gargano, etc also had to go through NXT.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by pu7pl3(op): 7:06pm On Apr 01, 2025
samistry:
Rocky 4 grin
I'm Soo done with that storyline men...Bathroom Break on whatever WrestleMania night it'll feature on for me.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by ValeeLove(m):
Samistry3:
@valeelove
There is no solution without a problem. You just mentioned the problems pro-wrestling has. There you go. If we fix it the better. But acting like it doesn't exist will make it even worse. Perhaps people will stop mocking the product if those problems are addressed. Simple.

I know the blood is gimmicked, everyone knows that. My point is shying away from it when it's supposed to be embraced and having the guts to mock those that actually do embrace it. Apalling.
Lol. Boxing using protective gloves supports my point even more. How did you miss that?
And yes, there was blood with Punk, because Vince isn't there to ruin it and Punk is one of the few guys that know how this works.

Mox was hardcore at CZW. And yes, he may have regressed as a wrestler, but he's still one of the biggest names in wrestling (he must be doing something right).

And more injuries are bound to happen because it's choreographed and therefore amateurs run it.

I get your point, now get mine - if you have to soften hardcore so it can be safe, isn't that enough reason to do away with it completely? In a perfect world; a standard match can never lead to injuries, but a hardcore one will, that's a bad sign. And the reason why is because of this rule(and I must add logic, the world is run by it) - "no disqualification". What kind of a sport doesn't include disqualification. A disqualification is a rule put in place to constrain the participants within the limits of the sport rules. When you take it away, you're essentially saying "no rules". Where is the sport if there are no rules huh? You can essentially bring a gun and shoot your opponent without getting disqualified or going to prison. Make it make sense. Na me and Pu7pl3 been get this talk before, and I already made my point then. But the bottom line is Swerve is not wrong.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by ValeeLove(m): 11:04pm On Apr 01, 2025
Samistry3:
@valeelove
So he was at a certain level while at NXT. He was being taught to entertain a crowd of 500 and being trashed in the process (according to him) only to get fired - essentially being told that he wasn't good enough to entertain a crowd of 500 or go beyond that (since you said he went to th main roster). 2 years after, he became a world champ entertaining people from 5000 to 80000. Yeah, he proved them wrong. Do you think if they could reverse that decision they would have fired him? It's like asking Eric Bischoff if he would have fired Austin if he knew how great he would turn out. Bottom line, WWE was wrong for firing him and Swerve proved them wrong, despite if he puts syringes in his mouth.
Did he learn from them? Of course. Did they give him some exposure? Sure. But they miscalculated him and he proved to them that he was worth more than they envisaged.

Yes he does choreography too ( I don't know-how much) that does not make it right or my point less true.

Leave Obafemi, talk about others who are already on the main roster like Melo, Gargano, Kross; how many are as made as Swerve? WWE doesn't always get it right and this time they failed. Most of their current male stars were not trained by them.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by ValeeLove(m): 11:18pm On Apr 01, 2025
CoolUsername:
I'm taking about him complaining that he was being given instructions in NXT.

Of course, AJ Styles, who was arguably the best wrestler in the world at the time, got into the main roster directly. But the fact of the matter is that guys experienced guys like Samoa Joe, Bobby Roode, Nakamura, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, Johnny Gargano, etc also had to go through NXT.
truth is I don't think these guys should have gone to NXT. Look at how Joe's potential was wasted. I recall Heyman saying "I wish we had the opportunity to work with Joe a year earlier". NXT should be for rookies, not people who have already paid their dues. The hypocrites ended up taking Cargill straight to the main roster. Abi that one na best wrestler in the world?
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by ValeeLove(m): 11:21pm On Apr 01, 2025
pu7pl3:
I'm Soo done with that storyline men...Bathroom Break on whatever WrestleMania night it'll feature on for me.
should still be the main event. WWE and lazy booking na 5 & 6. If you knew he wasn't main event material why did you give him the Rumble win?! They act like it's just children that are watching. You guys should enjoy your WrestleMania.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by pu7pl3(op): 11:55pm On Apr 01, 2025
ValeeLove:
should still be the main event. WWE and lazy booking na 5 & 6. If you knew he wasn't main event material why did you give him the Rumble win?! They act like it's just children that are watching. You guys should enjoy your WrestleMania.
I doubt if TripleH would have given him the win if he wasn't being pushed around by TKO.
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by samistry(m):
ValeeLove:
So he was at a certain level while at NXT. He was being taught to entertain a crowd of 500 and being trashed in the process (according to him) only to get fired - essentially being told that he wasn't good enough to entertain a crowd of 500 or go beyond that (since you said he went to th main roster). 2 years after, he became a world champ entertaining people from 5000 to 80000. Yeah, he proved them wrong. Do you think if they could reverse that decision they would have fired him? It's like asking Eric Bischoff if he would have fired Austin if he knew how great he would turn out. Bottom line, WWE was wrong for firing him and Swerve proved them wrong, despite if he puts syringes in his mouth.
Did he learn from them? Of course. Did they give him some exposure? Sure. But they miscalculated him and he proved to them that he was worth more than they envisaged.

Yes he does choreography too ( I don't know-how much) that does not make it right or my point less true.

Leave Obafemi, talk about others who are already on the main roster like Melo, Gargano, Kross; how many are as made as Swerve? WWE doesn't always get it right and this time they failed. Most of their current male stars were not trained by them.
They failed with swerve same way AEW failed with miro, ethan page, malakai black, keith Lee and Cody.
Not everyone will succeed in a particular system.

The way you're talking one would think they booked swerve like a Kenny omega title reign.
The man got laid down two weeks he won the championship by old man Christian cage, a kid and a guy in a dinosaur mask.
Tony had to put him over will Ospreay to quiet the talk of his abysmal championship booking.
The 80k show you're bragging about did he headline it? Didn't he lose a tag match there to sting and Darby. No be same ppv event chuck Taylor and pocket man wrestled ;thus by your logic they're better than WWE bcoz they featured in an 80k event.

The Wembley show he headlined in 2024 was in a losing effort to Daniel Bryan thus ending his token championship reigngrin You can put Daniel Bryan and a mop and it will headline any main event.

Swerve lost to recently released stars from WWE. Bobby lashley and Ricochet. That tells me he isn't such a big star as you profess him to be.

Melo, gargano and Kross may not be booked strongly as swerve but they're still featured on bigger weekly shows. How many casual viewers besides smarks know swerve? All that talent and yet Jey Uso still dey pull more merch and more popularity than am grin
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by samistry(m): 5:40am On Apr 02, 2025
ValeeLove:
should still be the main event. WWE and lazy booking na 5 & 6. If you knew he wasn't main event material why did you give him the Rumble win?! They act like it's just children that are watching. You guys should enjoy your WrestleMania.
We will be yeeting hands up and down while Travis scott fein plays nonstop in the background come wrestlemania grin
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by samistry(m): 5:53am On Apr 02, 2025
Last week na RVD now na Bret Hart dey criticise Tony's funland grin.

Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by samistry(m): 10:02am On Apr 02, 2025
Then what was the point in making her a double champion? 🤦

Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by CoolUsername: 7:14pm On Apr 02, 2025
samistry:
Then what was the point in making her a double champion? 🤦
To keep it warm for Tatum Paxley or Sol Ruca, hopefully.

Seriously though, maybe they felt her dropping the NA title in the same night of a successful NXT title defence would make her losing opponent look weak or something
Re: Purpl3's WWE (and Pro-wrestling in general) Discussion And Banter House by pu7pl3(op): 8:05pm On Apr 02, 2025
samistry:
Then what was the point in making her a double champion? 🤦
They want people to see her as both dominant and benevolent...it's obvious she is a big fish in a small river in NXT.
It won't be long before we see her dominating everyone on the main roster.
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