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sonmvayina:
The name Jesus never occurred in history until the Roman Catholic invented it as their God. There was already a God that was one in the Tanakh.
Why the Christian added their bull shit at the end of the Jewish Tanakh is what I am researching now. But my gut feeling is that it was meant as a propaganda and to give it some legitimacy....

Stop lying. See the history of the name below. But it is not even the collection of alphabets but the power behind it.

The name "Jesus" evolved from the Hebrew name "Yeshua" (meaning "Yahweh is salvation"}, through a series of transliterations and changes in pronunciation as it passed from Hebrew to Greek and then to Latin and ultimately English.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Hebrew Roots:
The name originates from the Hebrew name "Yehoshua" (יהושע), which is often translated as "Joshua" in English.
Aramaic Version:
The Hebrew name "Yehoshua" became "Yeshua" (ישו) in Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus and his followers.
Greek Transliteration:
The Greek version of the name was "Iēsous" (Ἰησούς), a transliteration of the Aramaic "Yeshua".
Latin Influence:
The Greek "Iēsous" became "Iesus" in Latin, which was the language of the Roman Empire during Jesus' time.
English Adaptation:
The Latin "Iesus" evolved into "Jesus" in English, with the "I" sound changing to a "J" sound over time.
Meaning:
The name "Jesus" (or "Yeshua"} carries the meaning of "Yahweh is salvation" or "God saves".

sonmvayina:
Yes...it was all allegories.
Then they forged a human history for him.

There has to be a motive to things. What would be the motive of a god-emperor to invent someone who not only says the emperor is nothing but also said all the gods that had sustained them and given them so many victories were fake?!

DaddyCoool:
Not at all. I'd come comment on your thread

Thanks!

Madam you are spiritually bankrupt!

DaddyCoool:
He was quoting scriptures of his own volition, not regurgitating selections approved by anybody.

You can't do the same instead you only argue without quoting any scripture to buttress your points?

MaxInDHouse:
Madam you are spiritually bankrupt!



You can't do the same instead you only argue without quoting any scripture to buttress your points?

Mr Warden, it seems you are already dining with your prisoners this early morning! 🤨

I love your tenacity for twisting scriptures.
Satan will surely be proud!
No one delivers half-truths along with false equivocations better than you on Nairaland!

Infact you are second to none, save for your master, the devil😈!

I will like to know how your governing body were able to infer all these doctrines 😂 if as you said they suspended their brains!👀

Please keep it simple, don't come with exaggerated lies🙄, although I believe you extremely incapable of forming such on your own🤔 hence the need for the constant regurgitation of your overlord's lies!!!

Gabrielshow24:
I love your tenacity for twisting scriptures.

Satan twisted the scriptures nah but Jesus used the scriptures to expose him! Matthew 4:3-11

So instead of making false claims get to work and use the scriptures to refute what i'm saying if truly you believe in the scriptures yourself! Isaiah 54:17

MaxInDHouse:
Madam you are spiritually bankrupt!



You can't do the same instead you only argue without quoting any scripture to buttress your points?

I quoted Psalm 22, which you obviously didn't know or you'd not have been asking why He thought God forsook Him!

MaxInDHouse:
Satan twisted the scriptures nah but Jesus used the scriptures to expose him! Matthew 4:3-11

So instead of making false claims get to work and use the scriptures to refute what i'm saying if truly you believe in the scriptures yourself! Isaiah 54:17

I don't need to elaborate further. The very scriptures you reference actually contradict your position.

You remind me of Sokka; like him, your suffering is self-inflicted.

You cite verses that undermine your own conclusions! What kind of 'madman' does that? It can only be the result of someone whose reasoning is on an 'eternal sabbatical.' 🤔.

DaddyCoool:
I quoted Psalm 22, which you obviously didn't know or you'd not have been asking why He thought God forsook Him!

Jesus said what is found in Psalms 22 and you think that's enough to convince anyone reading the Bible?

Madam what if it was all fabricated how do you prove that what Jesus said makes any sense in relation to his excruciating pain?

Just imagine Jesus was suffering and he called out in pains so that's enough to prove that he was using his brain in pains!

Madam the question is:

Why was Jesus crying in pains if he's not comfortable with the whole thing?
Is he making use of his brains or suspending it's use to suffer in doing what pleases someone else (his father's)?

Gabrielshow24:
I don't need to elaborate further.

Because you don't know the practical application of scriptures. Simple!

MaxInDHouse:
Because you don't know the practical application of scriptures. Simple!

You are truly self-refuting! 😂😂😂

If it were someone else, we might have had a meaningful discussion grounded in biblical truths. However, how can one engage in a rational dialogue with someone who consistently takes verses out of context? 🙄

Context is crucial for understanding scripture; without it, interpretations can easily become distorted and misleading. Engaging in a thoughtful exchange requires a commitment to honesty and integrity in our interpretations.

Instead of seeking to understand the deeper meanings, it seems you prefer to cherry-pick verses that support your argument, which only undermines your credibility. If we genuinely want to explore these topics, we must approach them with an open mind and a willingness to consider the full context of the scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said what is found in Psalms 22 and you think that's enough to convince anyone reading the Bible?

Madam what if it was all fabricated how do you prove that what Jesus said makes any sense in relation to his excruciating pain?

Just imagine Jesus was suffering and he called out in pains so that's enough to prove that he was using his brain in pains!

Madam the question is:

Why was Jesus crying in pains if he's not comfortable with the whole thing?
Is he making use of his brains or suspending it's use to suffer in doing what pleases someone else (his father's)?

He never suspended his brain at all. If he were a JW he'd never have asked that the cup be taken from Him if possible. That takes brains. He'd not have had the brains to ask that.

Here is the psalm he quoted. Now you can see why he quoted this particular psalm and that it took brains and a very good memory.

Psalm 22
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?...
Dogs surround me,
A pack of villains encircles me;
They pierce my hands and my feet.
All my bones are on display;
People stare and gloat over me.
They divide my clothes among them
And cast lots for my garment.

Gabrielshow24:
However, how can one engage in a rational dialogue with someone who consistently takes verses out of context?

Did Pharisees, Sadducees or Scribes agree that Jesus quotes scriptures rightly?
Of course they said he's quoting it out of context but Jesus will do the needful for everyone to see.
So stop the emotional blackmail and use the scriptures if truly you believe in the power of God's word! Hebrews 4:12

You and i can never ever agree on what we read in the Bible but prove you know what you are saying by QUOTING the scriptures for the benefit of interested followers of the thread.

That's what makes many commends Max not just pointing accusing fingers with no scriptural backing:

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same christain doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

Zocalite:
JW - the real disciple of Christ as a Christian
Please explain
I followed your convo with the islamic guy, I like it

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

Jacktheripper:
This sounds particularly interesting.

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

DaddyCoool:
He never suspended his brain at all.

He surely suspended the use of his human brain in order to suffer when he has the power to free himself.
That's what he meant by saying:

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative." John 5:30

INITIATIVE connotes the use of brain!

MaxInDHouse:
Did Pharisees, Sadducees or Scribes agree that Jesus quotes scriptures rightly?
Of course they said he's quoting it out of context but Jesus will do the needful for everyone to see.
So stop the emotional blackmail and use the scriptures if truly you believe in the power of God's word! Hebrews 4:12

You and i can never ever agree on what we read in the Bible but prove you know what you are saying by QUOTING the scriptures for the benefit of interested followers of the thread.

That's what makes many commends Max not just pointing accusing fingers with no scriptural backing:

Quote the scriptures on what exactly 🤔.

We are disputing your foolish and faulty interpretations using the self same scriptures!

The verses you use don't contribute anyway to your premises and conclusions!!!
It lacks proper context!
You said, Jesus suspended his brain!
When clearly "Jesus is the wisdom of God"!
Don't you imply God is foolish👀 well I am not suprised you have said that before!

Suspending one's will doesn't necessarily mean suspending one's brain!
The brain is the seat of consciousness and every characteristic of man has a localized point of origin in the brain!!!

Don't be foolish 🤨, your illiteracy is at work for all to see!!!
And to those your 'followers', they must be really daft🤨. Whosoever that praises you was just ignorant; when they know you for what you are, they will see you as a paragon of foolishness!!!

Enjoy while it lasts, we will be here when they give scorching remarks on your logical coherence🤔.

Cjstars, your once personal ally, has deserted you after seeing your foolish encumbrances!
Only a matter of time before others desert you!

Gabrielshow24:
Quote the scriptures on what exactly 🤔.

Jesus SUSPENDED the use of his human brain when it comes to pure worship {John 5:30} and same is expected of his faithful followers. Luke 9:23

So if you are saying a global family of peace loving worshipers today are not using their brains that makes them the only true Christian organization that's why they are able to have the same line of thought when it comes to worship of their God. John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10

Unlike you who can't present one single person on this forum that agrees with you on how to practice Christianity! 1Corinthans 14:33

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus SUSPENDED the use of his human brain when it comes to pure worship {John 5:30} and same is expected of his faithful followers. Luke 9:23

So if you are saying a global family of peace loving worshipers today are not using their brains that makes them the only true Christian organization that's why they are able to have the same line of thought when it comes to worship of their God. John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10

Unlike you who can't present one single person on this forum that agrees with you on how to practice Christianity! 1Corinthans 14:33

I find agreement with myself! 😁

Your entire argument seems to follow a convoluted pattern: you start with point A, then digress to point B, explore various offshoots of B, hit a dead end, backtrack to A, and ultimately conclude that A is correct. Yet, in this roundabout process, you achieve nothing of substance!

Your conclusions consistently lead back to the notion that the only true Christians are the Jehovah's Witnesses, regardless of how illogical your reasoning may be. This is a classic example of the motte and bailey fallacy, where you present a defensible position (the 'motte') but retreat to a more controversial claim (the 'bailey') when challenged.

Moreover, your argument relies on false dichotomies, suggesting that if one does not align with your interpretation, they must be part of a chaotic and disorganized group. This oversimplifies the complexity of Christian beliefs and practices.

You also engage in false equivalence by equating the practices of Jehovah's Witnesses with true Christianity, ignoring the rich diversity within the faith. Additionally, your reliance on argumentum ad populum—claiming that a global family of peace-loving worshipers must be correct simply because they are numerous—does not provide a solid foundation for your claims.

Instead of engaging with the text and the beliefs of others in a meaningful way, you resort to these fallacies, which only serve to undermine your argument. If we are to have a genuine discussion about Christianity, we must base our conclusions on sound reasoning. Something apparently, you do not have! 🤨

Gabrielshow24:
I find agreement with myself!

But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal,  having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,  betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 2Timothy 3:1-5

That's why you can't present any person or group with which you practice what Jesus taught!

MaxInDHouse:
Why not curse Jesus who told humans like you:

“If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake day after day and keep following me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake is the one who will save it." Luke 9:23-24

And they surely ABANDONED everything behind to follow him:

Then Peter said in reply: “Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” Matthew 19:27

Ọmọ you're just a faithless miscreant if you don't know today is your salvation day to know that you are faithless!

A little question for you bro. What other part of their body did they abandon? Surely not only their brains, they must have abandoned their hands and legs and eyes to follow him right?
So did the disciples of old abandon only their brains or did they also abandon other parts of their body.
I am sure that you now see you never understood the verse you quoted. That's what you get when you abandon your brain.

tctrills:
A little question for you bro. What other part of their body did they abandon? Surely not only their brains, they must have abandoned their hands and legs and eyes to follow him right?
So did the disciples of old abandon only their brains or did they also abandon other parts of their body.
I am sure that you now see you never understood the verse you quoted. That's what you get when you abandon your brain.

You've heard enough so go and work on that!

MaxInDHouse:
But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal,  having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,  betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 2Timothy 3:1-5

That's why you can't present any person or group with which you practice what Jesus taught!

Totally off point and doesn't relate to the problem statement 🤨!!!

Gabrielshow24:
Totally off point and doesn't relate to the problem statement 🤨!!!

Well if you don't agree with anyone me i agreed with all my brothers throughout the earth because we are ONE in thought! John 17:22

MaxInDHouse:
You've heard enough so go and work on that!

Lloool you see what you become when you allow evil men to brainwash you.
You begin to misunderstand and misinterpret scripture.
When your evil white overlords asked you to abandon you brain, you should have asked why he is only asking for your brain and not your hands and eyes, your business, house, clothing, wife, children and job.
You have allowed a wicked man to make you his slave and tool.
How come your leaders are the only ones not allowed to abandon their brains but the rest of you must go brainless to serve them? To what end.
I am sure you because a JW in search for God and truth but when your own organization is using you and intentionally deceiving you, that's going too far.
When your leaders demand your brain and your ability to question and learn on your own, that's poison.
You have been poisoned and I can only have pity for you my boy.
You are a victim, a beasts of prey, giving the best of you to some evil white man when you could be serving God.
Jesus Christ allowed his followers to use their brains, they asked him both foolish and intelligent questions, even Peter had a disagreement with him about feet washing. He never took away their ability to think for themselves and question everything. You guys are definitely not for him. Your actions are contrary to his and his doctrines.

DaddyCoool:
There has to be a motive to things. What would be the motive of a god-emperor to invent someone who not only says the emperor is nothing but also said all the gods that had sustained them and given them so many victories were fake?!

Where did you get all these from?
Christianity was created by the Greeks and Romans. It has nothing to do with the Jews or their God. Their scriptures stopped at Malachi.
They don't have the idea of God mating with humans. It is a Greek / Roman thingy.

DaddyCoool:
Stop lying. See the history of the name below. But it is not even the collection of alphabets but the power behind it.

The name "Jesus" evolved from the Hebrew name "Yeshua" (meaning "Yahweh is salvation"}, through a series of transliterations and changes in pronunciation as it passed from Hebrew to Greek and then to Latin and ultimately English.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Hebrew Roots:
The name originates from the Hebrew name "Yehoshua" (יהושע), which is often translated as "Joshua" in English.
Aramaic Version:
The Hebrew name "Yehoshua" became "Yeshua" (ישו) in Aramaic, the language spoken by Jesus and his followers.
Greek Transliteration:
The Greek version of the name was "Iēsous" (Ἰησούς), a transliteration of the Aramaic "Yeshua".
Latin Influence:
The Greek "Iēsous" became "Iesus" in Latin, which was the language of the Roman Empire during Jesus' time.
English Adaptation:
The Latin "Iesus" evolved into "Jesus" in English, with the "I" sound changing to a "J" sound over time.
Meaning:
The name "Jesus" (or "Yeshua"} carries the meaning of "Yahweh is salvation" or "God saves".

If the lie is comforting...no wahala. But I will always pick the truth even if it hurts. ....and it did hurt...Jesus is a Roman Catholic invention.

DaddyCoool:
Oga sir, classical physics/science is NOT probalistic, QM is! Classical science is deterministic, meaning that given initial conditions, the future state of a system can be predicted with certainty. Never so in QM.

It is deterministic, NOT only with maths and numbers

Yes, everything that does not conform to our limited, everyday logical patterns is illogical from that perspective.

In classical Physics equations like E=MC² are arrived at then verified in observation of the real world. They don't run around adding constants and twisting equations to justify weird phenomena

I used the word "far-fetched". I said that if the universe can be so illogical (counterintuitive, if you wish) at core, it is NOT far-fetched that our thoughts could be impacting the physical world - as has been attested to by so many!

My knowledge on it is incomplete, and yours is!

Yes, our everyday Nairaland logic, not some esoteric, head-in-the-clouds "logic"!

Have some damn shame and stop embarrassing yourself like this. What is Nairaland logic? Can you define Nairaland logic? What's the difference between Nairaland logic and Facebook logic? Please you should really pay more attention to how you use words because they have their meanings for fúck sake. You are making this conversation tedious and bizarre with your absurd choices of words. "Nairaland logic" literally doesn't have a meaning as far as this discussion is concerned.

And it's true that classical physics is deterministic, BUT THAT'S JUST IN THEORY. 😭

When it comes down to actual application, probability is still very much involved because whenever you need to measure or predict any event in the real world, uncertainty automatically becomes a factor.

Oh and this statement from you in particular 💀 -

In classical Physics equations like E=MC² are arrived at then verified in observation of the real world. They don't run around adding constants and twisting equations to justify weird phenomena

- is so offensively ignorant that I can only assume that the reason you don't want to let this argument go is because it will ruin your ego and everything you ever thought you knew about QM. I didn't major in any of the natural sciences because I studied a social science course but even I am aware (from my little knowledge of physics back in secondary school) that science has sooooooo many instances where constants are added just to make the equations match the observations. Like the Gravitational constant (G)? Hubbles constant? The Lambda?

I seriously hope you didn't study physics or any of the other major sciences at all in the higher institution because how the fúck don't you know that scientists tweak equations all the time and add constants to make sense of their research? Christ on a bike, this is getting depressing. 🤦🏽

I'm still waiting for you to tell me which system of logic you're using. And please don't say "Nairaland logic" again because that phrase is the most useless and unhelpful of weasel words.

FiveFootNinja:
Have some damn shame and stop embarrassing yourself like this. What is Nairaland logic? Can you define Nairaland logic? What's the difference between Nairaland logic and Facebook logic? Please you should really pay more attention to how you use words because they have their meanings for fúck sake. You are making this conversation tedious and bizarre with your absurd choices of words. "Nairaland logic" literally doesn't have a meaning as far as this discussion is concerned.

And it's true that classical physics is deterministic, BUT THAT'S JUST IN THEORY. 😭

When it comes down to actual application, probability is still very much involved because whenever you need to measure or predict any event in the real world, uncertainty automatically becomes a factor.

Oh and this statement from you in particular 💀 -

- is so offensively ignorant that I can only assume that the reason you don't want to let this argument go is because it will ruin your ego and everything you ever thought you knew about QM. I didn't major in any of the natural sciences because I studied a social science course but even I am aware (from my little knowledge of physics back in secondary school) that science has sooooooo many instances where constants are added just to make the equations match the observations. Like the Gravitational constant (G)? Hubbles constant? The Lambda?

I seriously hope you didn't study physics or any of the other major sciences at all in the higher institution because how the fúck don't you know that scientists tweak equations all the time and add constants to make sense of their research? Christ on a bike, this is getting depressing. 🤦🏽

I'm still waiting for you to tell me which system of logic you're using. And please don't say "Nairaland logic" again because that phrase is the most useless and unhelpful of weasel words.

I no longer understand you o. I said EVERYDAY Nairaland logic. "Nairaland" there is just for emphasis, just because that's where we are. The operative word is 'everyday" - "everyday logic". I even gave you an example - if A means the cat is dead, and B means the cat is alive, both A and B cannot be true at same time - á la Schrödinger's cat in QM.
Jeez, I have to spoon-feed you everything!

Where is the uncertainty in E=MC²? or other classical Physics equations?

I knew you'd be obsessed with that statement (that in classical Physics they usually don't run around trying to invent equations to justify weird phenomena). Mention instances where classical physicists were trying to JUSTIFY weird phenomena by inventing math.
For example, the speed limit in the universe is the relatively low speed of light. They accept that as another illogical aspect of the universe. In QM they'd invent all sorts of probabilistic math to show why it is logical!

sonmvayina:
If the lie is comforting...no wahala. But I will always pick the truth even if it hurts. ....and it did hurt...Jesus is a Roman Catholic invention.

You mean Roman invention. Why do you keep writing "Romantic Catholic"?

DaddyCoool:
You mean Roman invention. Why do you keep writing "Romantic Catholic"?

That was what they called themselves after Nicaea. After plenty arguing and slaps(someone actually said Santa Claus i.e st Nicholas actually slapped Arius) and bickering...

sonmvayina:
Where did you get all these from?
Christianity was created by the Greeks and Romans. It has nothing to do with the Jews or their God. Their scriptures stopped at Malachi.
They don't have the idea of God mating with humans. It is a Greek / Roman thingy.

Did you read my post? Here it is again. Also tell us what other masterpieces they wrote or they only wrote one?

There has to be a motive to things. What would be the motive of a god-emperor to invent someone who not only says the emperor is nothing but also said all the gods that had sustained them and given them so many victories were fake?!

sonmvayina:
That was what they called themselves after Nicaea. After plenty arguing and slaps(someone actually said Santa Claus i.e st Nicholas actually slapped Arius) and bickering...

What were they arguing about? Your answer will reveal to you how stupid your comment

DaddyCoool:
What were they arguing about? Your answer will reveal to you how stupid your comment

Which religion to choose between mithriaism and Chrestianity