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Lucifyre:
Dense coward! why are you running, this is the 2nd time😁 We can indeed agree your silence demonstrates how dense you are as earlier stated.

See, if you think whatever you want to post is valid enough discredit the bible, just post it.
I'm always here to counter you.
NL isn't running away

Lucifyre:
Dense coward! why are you running, this is the 2nd time😁 We can indeed agree your silence demonstrates how dense you are as earlier stated.

Don't be a cheap yoghurt
if you think whatever you want to post is valid enough discredit the bible, just post it.
I'm always here to counter you.
NL isn't running away

paxonel:
Don't be a cheap yoghurt
if you think whatever you want to post is valid enough discredit the bible, just post it.
I'm always here to counter you.
NL isn't running away

Tower of Babel na…
Can we clean that out?

Omoawoke:
Okay, we have made progress, that the Bible is not100% free of errors has been established…
And the few ones we used as examples are just one out of several hundreds that no one can deny… and I’m glad we both agree.

of what use pointing out errors from a history document that was written over thousands of years ago by authors who possibly not educated enough to present their points more precisely?

If we are to speak of the rest, it would only be a waste of time and energy

it's of use!
You will end up chasing wild geese and nothing will change

So first agreement… Bible isn’t 100% free of some little obvious errors.

there are no one single history today that is totally void of error or do you know any?

As a matter of fact, the errors are indication that history books are documented at the time most people didn't have quality education which shows that what were documented in the book are true

Let’s move to the Bible stories…. There are some interesting stories in the Bible, that speak of our supposed history as humans…
From our creation to our Lord Jesusssss Krissst to our present generation.

The stories are so many, let’s pick them one by one…

I like to go with Tower of Babel… ? Because I feel it insults common sense..

So tell me, do you believe in the Tower of Babel? Is that part of the Bible true as they said it?

The story goes beyond what is written and requires proper interpretation for the modern and educated minds of this current era
Perhaps, it was written that way for primitive minds of the ancient and mediaeval era who were more interested in mythogies for them to understand.

Also note that these kind of writings were not limited to only the bible.
We have read books concerning the Greek mythology, Macbeth, The Tempest, Julius Caesar etc

Perhaps these stories actually happened. But in the real sense, they did not happen the way they are presented in the books

paxonel:
of what use pointing out errors from a history document that was written over thousands of years ago by authors who possibly not educated enough to present their points more precisely?
it's of use!
You will end up chasing wild geese and nothing will change
there are no one single history today that is totally void of error or do you know any?

As a matter of fact, the errors are indication that history books are documented at the time most people didn't have quality education which shows that what were documented in the book are true
The story goes beyond what is written and requires proper interpretation for the modern and educated minds of this current era
Perhaps, it was written that way for primitive minds of the ancient and mediaeval era who were more interested in mythogies for them to understand.

Also note that these kind of writings were not limited to only the bible.
We have read books concerning the Greek mythology, Macbeth, The Tempest, Julius Caesar etc

Perhaps these stories actually happened. But in the real sense, they did not happen the way they are presented in the books

Let’s assume I agree with all you say…

But you didn’t answer my question…

Do you believe in Tower of Babel as it is written in the Bible..?

Remember you boasted earlier that everything in the Bible can be scientifically proven…. Seems you are given up easily…
Why giving my philosophical proofs ? Because all you have said are all philosophies


Please answer the question with your full chest otherwise I’d assume you are ashamed of the story and avoiding this very simple question that doesn’t need story

Again I ask

DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE TOWER OF BABEL AS IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE. ?

paxonel:
I believe the accurate interpretation that possibly, it happened.
But i don't be that it happened the way it was written.

This dribbling is too much oo,
If I get you right, are you saying you don’t believe it happened the way it was written?? Is that right??

Omoawoke:
Let’s assume I agree with all you say…

But you didn’t answer my question…
DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE TOWER OF BABEL AS IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE. ?
?

As a child, i used to believe the story. But now, the story means something else to me with the the same fundamental lesson

Remember you boasted earlier that everything in the Bible can be scientifically proven….

ofcourse yes, and i still maintain my position

Seems you are given up easily…

and i explained that science encompasses a wide range of varieties of knowledge which may include ability to interprete figurative languages accurately, based on the context of a story

As for me, I don’t believe it… so do you?

I believe the accurate interpretation that possibly, it happened.
But i don't be that it happened the way it was written

Omoawoke:
DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE TOWER OF BABEL AS IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE. ?

Please how did science explain different languages we have today?

Omoawoke:
There’s no lie to this

Religious people (Christians and Muslims most especially) are the most evil people on earth

Evil stems from human egoism—the inherent desire to benefit oneself at the expense of others. This suggests that all individuals, regardless of religious affiliation, possess an egoistic nature that can lead to harmful actions. ​
In Bible Interpretation teachings, evil is defined as acting solely for one's own benefit without consideration for others. This implies that selfishness and hypocrisy are manifestations of unchecked egoism, not exclusive to any particular group.​

Recognizing and correcting our egoistic tendencies is essential for spiritual growth. This process involves rising to a higher spiritual level and transforming our nature to prioritize the well-being of others. ​
Therefore, from Bible Interpretation standpoint, labeling religious individuals as inherently more evil overlooks the universal challenge of overcoming egoism—a trait present in all humans. The focus should be on individual efforts to transcend selfish desires and contribute positively to society.

Omoawoke:
That’s a very intelligent thing for you to say honestly….
My claim is not final, still a theory and it’s open to criticism, scrutiny and debate.
It is open to further research and investigation… it’s not divine, it’s not final… and it’s not error proof.. and I may be wrong afterall, it’s not sacred to me.


But you know why you aren’t that intelligent afterall, you are displaying the normal attributes of your lowly likes.. when confronted, they begin to attack personality, use threats, intimidation and will eventually derail the topic…



So I want to close all hiding place for you and I want you to come out to the open with your full chest? Why are you derailing, are you confused and lost to defend what you believe… I am not the problem, answer the simple question “DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE TOWER OF BABEL AS IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE”?

Any further deviation from this simple question would be taken as cowardice and emptiness of thoughts

Have you attacked personality, use threats and intimidation on certain people on this thread?

paxonel:
Let's use one as a case study :

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Is this what you call contradiction and inconsistency?

Someone constructed a car and saw that what he did was good.
He invited another person to enter his car only for the vistor to come and destroy his dashboard. Then he regrated why he invited the person.
Is this suppose to be inconsistency or contradiction?

OK, how do you define the words inconsistency and contradiction in your dictionary?
Do you suppose that someone who changed his mind about another person who later prove to be destructive, that the person is inconsistent or he is contradictive?

I don't get what you are saying

Does an omniscient and all knowing god regret, like humans?
Now you have managed to shoot yourself in the foot

StillDtruth:
Says the most foolishest atheists of all man and animal kind

How are you bro? I miss your waffling and faffing. Hope say u don start your antipsychotics

Omoawoke:
There’s no need insulting him…
Simple answer the questions he asked

Are there inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible? Yes or no?

Does the Bible stories make any iota of sense ? Yes or No….

So if he is unable to believe those stories based on their irregularities, what’ has he done wrong? Or you want to force him and bully him to believe what you believe before he can be accepted…
Can you now see why religious people are the most evil, narrow minded and stupid people the universe has ever had ?

Dont bother asking him. He won't answer. Next thing is he'll start throwing insults at you. Watch

StillDtruth:
If indeed you are not evil, you would have seen that he is the one bullying us for no one here has forced anyone to accept.

Threads here are even directed towards Christians, so there isn't any one bullying him.

Thirdly, no one has set an essay exam amounting to 100 questions. You all called such a person a devil, But your guy, did it.

So, you see, it is you atheists who are devils most especially as what you call inconsistencies have been straightened out severally, which is why it is only you devils who see what you call inconsistencies. No reasonable and fair person has ever said so. And it is only when God kicks them out and they become devils and atheists that they start talking this rubbish.

So, church-going people have been found to be unrighteous and bad but they cannot be compared to atheists.

Even atheists don't want to marry atheists.

https://www.nairaland.com/7398522/experience-atheist-dating-world#117823562

Imagine devil pikin dey run from atheists.
Clearly proves that you people are the most evil people on earth.

Omoawoke shebi I tell you. The guy won't answer, and not just that, insults would be streamed your way. That's just how he rolls. We are used to him that way. You understand why I call him a psycho now?

Omoawoke:
Why am I even surprised?

Even the religious books they call holy are the most ridiculous books ever written by mankind

Filled with a jealous god, a god that sheds blood at the slightest provocation.. a god that committed genocide and yet they love him.. why won’t they love him? They are afraid of him… you must love by force otherwise perish…

So why would the followers be any different

Then again, the way the religion was spread was through the most inhumane and cruel manner ever

The most violent religions in the history of the cosmos remains Islam and Christianity… spread through extreme cruelty and bloodshed.. slavery and colonization

So why would the followers be any different. ??

Show me your God, and I will tell you who you are.

paxonel:
Dont try to change it.
Dont even go there.

2 Samuel 24:1 did not use the word INCITE.
Rather, it used the word ANGER.

Now, look at this one

Judges 10:7 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hands of the Philistines, and into the hands of the children of Ammon.

The same way God allowed the Philistines and Ammonites to defeat Israel because he was angry with them,that's how God allowed Satan to use David because he was angry with the Israelites. So, there is no contradiction between the two scriptures

Is that too difficult to understand?

When i say there is no way you atheists can understand bible than a little child or even an illiterate who is Christian, you will think I'm joking.

Why jumping into argument over what you don't understand are you not fooling yourself like this?

1 Chronicles 21:1 ►
New International Version
Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel


◄ 2 Samuel 24:1 ►
New International Version
Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah

1.From The above verses, one said Satan and the other god. So who do we blame? So Paxonel how do you know the bible wanted to say Satan and put god instead? So do we substitute god for satan in bible passages?
2.Assuming we take your explanation that god sent Satan, so u r saying Satan is gods servant? Everything he does is for god?
You keep on shooting yourself in the poor foot any single time you explain those verses
Lol 😆

I wouldn’t generalize it like the OP but I agree to some extent. Even here on NL, the folks who carry religion on their foreheads are strikingly mean and even cruel lacking enough empathy and compassion. It looks like their religion only serves them to feel better about themselves.

paxonel:
As a child, i used to believe the story. But now, the story means something else to me with the the same fundamental lesson
ofcourse yes, and i still maintain my position
and i explained that science encompasses a wide range of varieties of knowledge which may include ability to interprete figurative languages accurately, based on the context of a story
I believe the accurate interpretation that possibly, it happened.
But i don't be that it happened the way it was written

As a child, I use to believe Tower of Babel too… but I over grew it….
As a child I believed many things including tortoise stories, but I grew older and knew the lessons behind them.
Remember those tortoise stories? I believed they really happened then..

I love your philosophical views and detailed explanations, but this is not a philosophy class

Just answer the question with your full chest and stop dribbling around the bush… we haven’t even gone far yet oo, this is just the beginning and you are already panting for oxygen

I am asking you as an adult, forget childhood…

. DO YOU BELIEVE THE TOWER OF BABEL STORY AS IT WAS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE ?

paxonel:
2nd question is no doubt alteration of figures due to different accounts, one in kings and the other in chronicles.

It's more or less like this historical argument between the benin people and the Lagos indigenous people each having their own sources of history from different accounts as to who founded the Lagos kingdom?

What the bible does is to have the two sources of history and their different accounts recorded.
One for kings, the other for chronicles.

Not that the bible is contradicting or inconsistent.
Rather, the bible is also a book of historical records.

But the overall message is, King Jehoiachin was a child, possibly between 8 to 18years when he started ruling

So two sources saying different things are not contradictions, and you are comparing the Bible, a book supposedly inspired by a divine being, to works of history written by man? So the Bible cannot get its shit together yet its said to be the word of a god?
In case you're too buried in the Bible and don't know the meaning of the word contradiction, this is it.

contradiction
noun
a combination of statements, ideas, or features which are opposed to one another.

And no, the Bible is not a work of history. If so, it would have been quoted as a source of history in history classes worldwide

paxonel:
certainly!
since they are documented by humans.

But the key message which is Jesus Christ is perfectly passed across
I was pretty busy

So, you agree that there is devil, but God you don't?

I will advice you to stay quietly in your atheism if you don't want me to convert you into Christianity

So can the words inspired by a divine being be contradictory?

Omoawoke:
Okay, we have made progress, that the Bible is not100% free of errors has been established…
And the few ones we used as examples are just one out of several hundreds that no one can deny… and I’m glad we both agree.
If we are to speak of the rest, it would only be a waste of time and energy

So first agreement… Bible isn’t 100% free of some little obvious errors.


Let’s move to the Bible stories…. There are some interesting stories in the Bible, that speak of our supposed history as humans…
From our creation to our Lord Jesusssss Krissst to our present generation.

The stories are so many, let’s pick them one by one…

I like to go with Tower of Babel… ? Because I feel it insults common sense..

So tell me, do you believe in the Tower of Babel? Is that part of the Bible true as they said it?

You're right. Remember he was beating his chest that the Bible is error free. Now he has mellowed and is waffling. We haven't even started in the lies. We are still on the contradictions sections. When we get to the lies, I wonder what he'll say

jaephoenix:
Omoawoke shebi I tell you. The guy won't answer, and not just that, insults would be streamed your way. That's just how he rolls. We are used to him that way. You understand why I call him a psycho now?

I know them very well…

I’ve met tougher ones offline, I know every single of their style of operations… If they have been cornered to a point, they will begin to even start contradicting themselves and will eventually flee and never come back… some get so bitter and start cursing… they have never really met people to challenge their beliefs to their face. They are used to fellow dimwits just nodding at all the jargons they talk

paxonel:
of what use pointing out errors from a history document that was written over thousands of years ago by authors who possibly not educated enough to present their points more precisely?
it's of use!
You will end up chasing wild geese and nothing will change
there are no one single history today that is totally void of error or do you know any?

As a matter of fact, the errors are indication that history books are documented at the time most people didn't have quality education which shows that what were documented in the book are true
The story goes beyond what is written and requires proper interpretation for the modern and educated minds of this current era
Perhaps, it was written that way for primitive minds of the ancient and mediaeval era who were more interested in mythogies for them to understand.

Also note that these kind of writings were not limited to only the bible.
We have read books concerning the Greek mythology, Macbeth, The Tempest, Julius Caesar etc

Perhaps these stories actually happened. But in the real sense, they did not happen the way they are presented in the books

I thought u christians believe the Bible is a divine book? So why are you comparing it to works of men?

jaephoenix:
You're right. Remember he was beating his chest that the Bible is error free. Now he has mellowed and is waffling. We haven't even started in the lies. We are still on the contradictions sections. When we get to the lies, I wonder what he'll say

Trust me, they never wait to finish the topic…
He will soon run any moment ….
Maybe he thinks he’s the only Christian on nairaland and he is not wondering why all of them avoided topics like this..
That’s why their pastors usually preach to them never to engage in debates, never to question the Bible and they will use dumb Bible verses to justify themselves..
But the Truth is never afraid to be questioned….

paxonel:
As a child, i used to believe the story. But now, the story means something else to me with the the same fundamental lesson
ofcourse yes, and i still maintain my position
and i explained that science encompasses a wide range of varieties of knowledge which may include ability to interprete figurative languages accurately, based on the context of a story
I believe the accurate interpretation that possibly, it happened.
But i don't be that it happened the way it was written

You have started the classical christian waffling and faffing.
You said you believe as a child. DO YOU STILL BELIEVE AS AN ADULT? (Im assuming u r an adult )
So you believe the sun and moon stood still?
Bushes, snakes, donkeys etc talking?
Folks resurrecting en masse?
Dudes climbing on thin air into the sky?
Etc etc
Can you explain the scientific evidence of such
Thank you

Truthseeker10:
Have you attacked personality, use threats and intimidation on certain people on this thread?

I take this your response as a give up…

Since you are so ashamed of the Tower of Babel story you rather avoid it…. No be today, I sabi una wella..

You are free to leave the thread since you don’t want to answer….
But know that, your god is highly disappointed in you for not being able to defend his Bible

MaxInDHouse:
You have changed the goal post from wicked to stupid.

Which one do you want us to focus?

Is it the wickedness or stupidity?

The stupidity Sir, do you believe a donkey cannot only speak but also have a meaningful conversation?

justlove91:
The stupidity Sir, do you believe a donkey cannot only speak but also have a meaningful conversation?

Are you the OP?

Abeg nah the OP i get business with not you!

MaxInDHouse:
Are you the OP?

Abeg nah the OP i get business with not you!

I'm not the OP but knowing that you're a bible scholar and always willing to teach those that ask. So, I read in the bible about a donkey having a normal conversation with a man, how true is this Sir?

justlove91:
I'm not the OP but knowing that you're a bible scholar and always willing to teach those that ask. So, I read in the bible about a donkey having a normal conversation with a man, how true is this Sir?

Do you believe in the supernatural?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe in the supernatural?

What do you mean by Supernatural? It means different thing to different people, so what does it mean to you?

justlove91:
What do you mean by Supernatural? It means different thing to different people, so what does it mean to you?

What does it mean to you let's start from there!

MaxInDHouse:
What does it mean to you let's start from there!

No hiding place for you…

Stop jumping around!

All this beating around the bush won’t stop me from ask you

DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE TOWER OF BABEL AS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE ?

That you have been avoiding this question only translate to one thing, you are ashamed of the Bible stories and know deep down it makes no sense

If I am wrong ,then answer the question with your full chest