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Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by fattycoolface(m): 6:28am On Apr 04, 2025
Why Nigeria no dey now? This is height of disappointment......
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by Antichristian2: 6:31am On Apr 04, 2025
mrvitalis:
One thing I have always said is if I ever decide to be governor or president Economics would be made compulsory in all schools from SS1 to university 200 level...

Volume of debt or size of debt is not an issue
Ability to repay is the issue

Someone can owe 2 million and be worse than someone who owe 10 billion

In nigeria the issue we talk about is our revenue to debt servicing is too high..

We need to increase revenue, sadly the only way to do that is to borrow more but use it for what would generate revenue or ability to pay back the loan

So borrowing and using it to build road, bridge, rails, and the reat feel good projects is foolishness... Very big foolishness

And that's what APC have been doing since
So what has LP being doing?
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by bengdededeng(m): 7:21am On Apr 04, 2025
mrvitalis:
One thing I have always said is if I ever decide to be governor or president Economics would be made compulsory in all schools from SS1 to university 200 level...

Volume of debt or size of debt is not an issue
Ability to repay is the issue

Someone can owe 2 million and be worse than someone who owe 10 billion

In nigeria the issue we talk about is our revenue to debt servicing is too high..

We need to increase revenue, sadly the only way to do that is to borrow more but use it for what would generate revenue or ability to pay back the loan

So borrowing and using it to build road, bridge, rails, and the reat feel good projects is foolishness... Very big foolishness

And that's what APC have been doing since
Bro I get your point...but the thing now is Nigerians debt to gbp ratio isnt still on any list...both in Africa and worldwide...I googled this thing about a week ago trying to find Nigerias name on any debt list...I couldn't find it...it gave me some kind of hope that Nigerians economy might not be as bad as we portray it to be on social media
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by obyno82: 7:32am On Apr 04, 2025
Paramount01:
Tinubu met it at 96% ,now is now 56% ,yet you are saying he is spending on frivoluuse things
Yes I said what I said. The debt to revenue is still high. Our earnings are being used for debt servicing. What he did was simply use devaluation and inflation to reduce spending by the public. So it gives a semblance of reduced rate of debt servicing, rather it is the masses that are suffering. This is just manipulation of numbers he is doing.
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by mrvitalis(m): 7:55am On Apr 04, 2025
Paramount01:
Yes, infrastructure can significantly increase the revenue of a state. Well-planned and well-maintained infrastructure can:

1. *Attract businesses and investments*: Modern infrastructure, such as roads, airports, and seaports, can make a state more attractive to businesses, entrepreneurs, and investors, leading to increased economic activity and revenue.
2. *Boost tourism*: Infrastructure like hotels, resorts, and recreational facilities can attract tourists, generating revenue from hospitality, transportation, and other services.
3. *Increase property values*: Quality infrastructure can increase property values, leading to higher tax revenues for the state.
4. *Improve agricultural productivity*: Irrigation systems, storage facilities, and transportation networks can enhance agricultural productivity, leading to increased revenue from agricultural exports.
5. *Enhance industrial productivity*: Infrastructure like industrial parks, logistics hubs, and energy systems can increase industrial productivity, leading to higher revenue from manufacturing and exports.
6. *Reduce transportation costs*: Efficient transportation infrastructure can reduce costs for businesses, making them more competitive and increasing revenue.
7. *Create jobs*: Infrastructure development can create jobs, both during construction and in the long term, increasing tax revenues and reducing unemployment.

Examples of infrastructure that can increase state revenue include:

- Transportation infrastructure (roads, highways, airports, seaports)
- Energy infrastructure (power plants, transmission lines)
- Water infrastructure (dams, irrigation systems)
- Telecommunication infrastructure (fiber optic cables, cell towers)
- Industrial infrastructure (industrial parks, logistics hubs)
- Tourism infrastructure (hotels, resorts, recreational facilities)

Overall, investing in infrastructure can have a multiplier effect on a state's economy, leading to increased revenue, economic growth, and improved quality of life.
Lmao the 1 billion dollars rail line Lagos Ibadan project name one company it brought
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by mrvitalis(m): 7:55am On Apr 04, 2025
Alsenora:
Constructive criticisms are welcome to guide a sitting government administration but not the one that reveal a crass lack of understanding, mischief or basic understanding of economic principles.
Answer my question
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by Offpoint1: 7:56am On Apr 04, 2025
mrvitalis:
One thing I have always said is if I ever decide to be governor or president Economics would be made compulsory in all schools from SS1 to university 200 level...

Volume of debt or size of debt is not an issue
Ability to repay is the issue

Someone can owe 2 million and be worse than someone who owe 10 billion

In nigeria the issue we talk about is our revenue to debt servicing is too high..

We need to increase revenue, sadly the only way to do that is to borrow more but use it for what would generate revenue or ability to pay back the loan

So borrowing and using it to build road, bridge, rails, and the reat feel good projects is foolishness... Very big foolishness

And that's what APC have been doing since
Nigeria don't borrowed to generate revenue, they borrowed to loot and built substandard road from whatever crumb is remaining from the loot... It's an endless vicious circle.
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by ZombieTAMER: 7:56am On Apr 04, 2025
Ofemannnu:
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Nigeria wasn't on this list before Tinubu formed APc to snatch power

I can Ashuwa you that before 2027, Nigeria Will be number one

with Subsidy GONE
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by emmyseg(m): 7:59am On Apr 04, 2025
How manage Nigeria no dey this list? So, we no dey own again, thank God ooo
Slytiger:
Source: IMF
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by mrvitalis(m): 8:00am On Apr 04, 2025
adonainana:
So you don’t need infrastructure to grow the economy instead you just watch it and do nothing to facilitate trade Roads

Hope you went to school at all

Also there is a big difference between exchange currency rates and the growth of an economy

Year in year out Nigeria economy expands and grows it’s the number 1 in Africa for this

This is completely different from how much Naira is changing for dollars

Two completely different things
Nigeria economy is 4th in Africa it has dropped by 40% since tinubu took over
By over 60% since APC took over
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by mrvitalis(m): 8:01am On Apr 04, 2025
Misterone:
Oga, you know nothing about economics. The first rule of governance is that : Government have no business in business. Government is all about welfare. Business is all about profit.
Now, how do you tax your citizen, use the money to create a business then request for profit as a means of revenue generation? That is criminality.
Building or construction of roads and bridges is a means of generating revenue. First, the workers pay tax. Second, roads bring about development. An access road to a land increases the price of the land, it also enhance ease of doing business in the area. This encourages business and the businessman will pay tax. Revenue is created.
So government borrow money to build roads in your city.. How would government get the loan to pay back
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by mrvitalis(m): 8:03am On Apr 04, 2025
LegendHero:
Lol then you’ll probably pour your money inside a black hole.

First we lack storage system for our agricultural produce. Why do we lack storage, because of low power supply and high cost of energy alternative. You need to build large scale storage cold room system first to even preserve your output to sell to market. Security is also a very huge factor in Nigeria today because if you’re trying to silo your farming to multiple regions and get more people into it, yawa fit gas.

One important thing you haven’t told us is that @96% debt servicing and crude sold into the future; if you get someone to borrow you $20bn and spend it on nothing beside infrastructure/energy/and etc, how exactly will other segment of the economy respond when your loan ground the other side and the germination period is over 3 years for your $20bn to even start reaping benefit?
Anyone going into agro with good capital can build agro storage system

Someone with enough capital can build agro storage system

Farming can build a processing system by their farm so no need for storage if there is enough capital

So the issue is capital that's where government comes in
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by mrvitalis(m): 8:04am On Apr 04, 2025
PlushyRealtor:
Thank you for educating me on this bro. I just learnt something good to be honest
This comment makes the whole thing worth it
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by michoim(m): 8:23am On Apr 04, 2025
Nigeria debts are mostly to world bank, and other international banks...don't let this IMF thing deceived you
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by damoobaba: 8:23am On Apr 04, 2025
2special:
Most people will be excited while some will be disappointed with this News.
Igbos you mean?
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by PUMPIN11(m): 8:31am On Apr 04, 2025
Slytiger:
Source: IMF
Where is Nigeria? Abi na world bank loan watsapp group we dey? I am sure we will be one of the admins in that one!
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by Paramount01(m): 8:37am On Apr 04, 2025
mrvitalis:
Lmao the 1 billion dollars rail line Lagos Ibadan project name one company it brought
Lolz. Will investors mention they are investing because of one particular infastructure.if Infastructure has not been helpful for investments why did NSIA Invested 10billons in Lagos and not Anambra? Why did IFC invest in Lagos and not kwara? Nobody want to invest where there is no good roads
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by Paramount01(m): 8:41am On Apr 04, 2025
obyno82:
Yes I said what I said. The debt to revenue is still high. Our earnings are being used for debt servicing. What he did was simply use devaluation and inflation to reduce spending by the public. So it gives a semblance of reduced rate of debt servicing, rather it is the masses that are suffering. This is just manipulation of numbers he is doing.
Wait, did our revenue increase? Did we owe in dollar or naira ,so how does devaluation affect debt,is not clear
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by honeyB2018: 8:42am On Apr 04, 2025
Slytiger:
Source: IMF
That Nigeria is not amongst the countries mentioned here, doesn't mean we're not owing IMF.
People should understand this.
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by Okbaba: 8:52am On Apr 04, 2025
123yes:
I did not see Nigeria on the list. Thanks to baba Tinubu OBJ.
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by masseratti: 8:53am On Apr 04, 2025
mrvitalis:
I have said it over and over go through my post
I cant see anything in your post ..if you can kindly avail me with a link to it now or just quote them here I will appreciate.
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by mrvitalis(m): 9:05am On Apr 04, 2025
Paramount01:
Lolz. Will investors mention they are investing because of one particular infastructure.if Infastructure has not been helpful for investments why did NSIA Invested 10billons in Lagos and not Anambra? Why did IFC invest in Lagos and not kwara? Nobody want to invest where there is no good roads
Because of the buying power of lagos not the infrastructure

Akwa Ibom has one of the best infrastructure but depend on ABA for basic supply
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by cenaman(m): 9:06am On Apr 04, 2025
Them don cheat us again, where is naija on the list?
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by Misterone: 9:10am On Apr 04, 2025
mrvitalis:
So government borrow money to build roads in your city.. How would government get the loan to pay back
Through taxation , tolling, etc. But not by selling the road to the highest bidder
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by mrvitalis(m): 9:12am On Apr 04, 2025
Misterone:
Through taxation , tolling, etc. But not by selling the road to the highest bidder
So you build road then tax what? Give me a practical example let's be realistic
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by obyno82: 9:15am On Apr 04, 2025
Paramount01:
Wait, did our revenue increase? Did we owe in dollar or naira ,so how does devaluation affect debt,is not clear
It affects debt as it increases the cost of servicing the debts. You talked about the percentage of our revenue that goes into debt servicing, but you have avoided showing us the cost of servicing the debts and how it has increased due to devaluation.
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by Misterone: 9:15am On Apr 04, 2025
mrvitalis:
So you build road then tax what? Give me a practical example let's be realistic
Go and reread my first writeup
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by mrvitalis(m): 9:33am On Apr 04, 2025
Misterone:
Go and reread my first writeup
I have oga

Akwa Ibom is a state that keeps proving infrastructure doesn't build an economy
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by Paramount01(m): 9:51am On Apr 04, 2025
mrvitalis:
Because of the buying power of lagos not the infrastructure

Akwa Ibom has one of the best infrastructure but depend on ABA for basic supply
After Lagos the next most populated state is Kano, yet Kano never received the type of investment like Abuja ,oyo,ogun.if we should go by what you say ( population)
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by mrvitalis(m): 9:53am On Apr 04, 2025
Paramount01:
After Lagos the next most populated state is Kano, yet Kano never received the type of investment like Abuja ,oyo,ogun.if we should go by what you say ( population)
Because Kano population for most businesses is very low

Can have very very low population for most businesses
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by Okbaba: 9:58am On Apr 04, 2025
Paramount01:
Wait, did our revenue increase? Did we owe in dollar or naira ,so how does devaluation affect debt,is not clear
Nigeria earns (sell oil) in Dollars and pay salaries and allocations in Naira.
Example:
When exchange rate was N150/$ and brent @ $75/barrel
1,000,000 barrels x $75 = $75,000,000=>75,000,000x150=N11.25 billion
Same no. of barrel (1000000) at the same price $75 but devalued exchange rate of 1500/$
1,000,000 barrels x $75 = $75,000,000=>75,000.000x1500=N112.5 billion
in the example above; at the exchange rate of 150/$ govt earns 11.25billion and pay 30000 as salary but at the exchange rate of 1500 govt earns 112.5billion (10 times more) while paying salary of 70000 (2 times more).
How does it affect you:
When exchange rate was 150/$ you will buy (import) a $100 phone at 15k but with devalued rate of 1500, the same $100 phone is now being bought (imported) at 150k (10 time more costly)
That is how govt is making you poorer. So when next you sing "on your mandate..." let your conscience judge you.
However, the situation would have been better if govt had put the excess fun to judicious use by investing in production, etc; order than this reckless looting we are witnessing.
Re: 15 Nations Most Indebted To IMF by texas1990(m): 10:13am On Apr 04, 2025
Dreal1247:
APC is a cancer sent to destroy Nigeria, but it will end up destroying itself and the wicked sympathizers. There is no peace for the wicked. And the wicked shall never go unpunished.
As their is no peace for you and your generations, enemy of Nigeria, enemy of good things oponun.
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