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It is challenging to reconcile. But it is simple.

The governing body of JWs feel that when Christ comes during the great tribulation, he will execute all bad people, aka, those not JWs essentially. Since Christ will rule "over" the earth as JWs see it, then the ruled must be righteous ones who passed the judgment test of Christ. So there has to be righteous ones on earth.

Scriptures like Psalms 37:9-11 lays credence to that view. This is understandable. However, scripture shows that these ones who we will meet on earth when we return with Jesus are not declared righteous because of faith in Jesus as the Saints, but they were kind to the body of Christ. While some nations of them were not opposed to the saints, only that they don't have faith in Jesus. They're not saved or born again.

If you have the time read through the whole Zechariah chapter 14. Jehovah's witnesses GB hardly read that chapter as it clearly shows what happens after the destruction of opposing nations and the remaining nations of the earth that weren't destroyed.

Part of that Zech 14 says

Zech 14

Everyone who is left remaining out of all the nations that come against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to bow down to the King, Jehovah of armies, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths."

Here we see that some nations will remain. That's not all, I feel that Matthew 25 relates to this period, it says:

Matt 25
When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

This is apparently the judgment to determine who on earth can live during the thousand years. This people were selected because of their kindness to the saints which were in need. There kindness is seen by Jesus as righteousness qualifying them for life.

JWs will see these people as the other sheep who support there governing body, representing the anointed class. This is not true.

The book of revelation also gives us a gleams as to these earthly subjects. It says:

Rev 20
3 And he hurled him into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not mislead "the nations" anymore until the 1,000 years were ended. After this he must be released for a little while.

Take note, that Satan doesn't mislead the NATIONS anymore during the thousand year rulership. So this verse alone shows that some will remain on earth when we rule with Jesus.

It is still from these NATIONS that Satan deceived and mobilized great enemies to attack the camp of the holy ones or Saints after the thousand years.

JWs has greatly uttered this Revelation 20 and over symbolized things to fit their theology. For example, when the Bible says "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended", they symbolize that phrase to mean something else.

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Sand2022:
It is challenging to reconcile. But it is simple.

The governing body of JWs feel that when Christ comes during the great tribulation, he will execute all bad people, aka, those not JWs essentially. Since Christ will rule "over" the earth as JWs see it, then the ruled must be righteous ones who passed the judgment test of Christ. So there has to be righteous ones on earth.

Scriptures like Psalms 37:9-11 lays credence to that view. This is understandable. However, scripture shows that these ones who we will meet on earth when we return with Jesus are not declared righteous because of faith in Jesus as the Saints, but they were kind to the body of Christ. While some nations of them were not opposed to the saints, only that they don't have faith in Jesus. They're not saved or born again.

If you have the time read through the whole Zechariah chapter 14. Jehovah's witnesses GB hardly read that chapter as it clearly shows what happens after the destruction of opposing nations and the remaining nations of the earth that weren't destroyed.

Part of that Zech 14 says

Zech 14

Everyone who is left remaining out of all the nations that come against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to bow down to the King, Jehovah of armies, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths."

Here we see that some nations will remain. That's not all, I feel that Matthew 25 relates to this period, it says:

Matt 25
When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

This is apparently the judgment to determine who on earth can live during the thousand years. This people were selected because of their kindness to the saints which were in need. There kindness is seen by Jesus as righteousness qualifying them for life.

JWs will see these people as the other sheep who support there governing body, representing the anointed class. This is not true.

The book of revelation also gives us a gleams as to these earthly subjects. It says:

Rev 20
3 And he hurled him into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not mislead "the nations" anymore until the 1,000 years were ended. After this he must be released for a little while.

Take note, that Satan doesn't mislead the NATIONS anymore during the thousand year rulership. So this verse alone shows that some will remain on earth when we rule with Jesus.

It is still from these NATIONS that Satan deceived and mobilized great enemies to attack the camp of the holy ones or Saints after the thousand years.

JWs has greatly uttered this Revelation 20 and over symbolized things to fit their theology. For example, when the Bible says "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended", they symbolize that phrase to mean something else.

Tag: Aemmyjah, achorladey, Jozzy4, MaxInDHouse, MightySparrow, NowYouKnow, TemmyT002, johnw47, Boomark, Emusan, Dtruthspeaker, Gabrielshow24

Where did the governing body say that
You're a propagandists
JWs are living rent free in your head
Continue spitting worms for others to believe

Sand2022:
It is challenging to reconcile. But it is simple.
The governing body of JWs feel that when Christ comes during the great tribulation, he will execute all bad people, aka, those not JWs essentially. Since Christ will rule "over" the earth as JWs see it, then the ruled must be righteous ones who passed the judgment test of Christ. So there has to be righteous ones on earth.
Scriptures like Psalms 37:9-11 lays credence to that view. This is understandable. However, scripture shows that these ones who we will meet on earth when we return with Jesus are not declared righteous because of faith in Jesus as the Saints, but they were kind to the body of Christ. While some nations of them were not opposed to the saints, only that they don't have faith in Jesus. They're not saved or born again.
If you have the time read through the whole Zechariah chapter 14. Jehovah's witnesses GB hardly read that chapter as it clearly shows what happens after the destruction of opposing nations and the remaining nations of the earth that weren't destroyed.
Part of that Zech 14 says
Zech 14
Everyone who is left remaining out of all the nations that come against Jerusalem will go up from year to year to bow down to the King, Jehovah of armies, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths."
Here we see that some nations will remain. That's not all, I feel that Matthew 25 relates to this period, it says:
Matt 25
When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
This is apparently the judgment to determine who on earth can live during the thousand years. This people were selected because of their kindness to the saints which were in need. There kindness is seen by Jesus as righteousness qualifying them for life.
JWs will see these people as the other sheep who support there governing body, representing the anointed class. This is not true.
The book of revelation also gives us a gleams as to these earthly subjects. It says:

Rev 20
3 And he hurled him into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not mislead "the nations" anymore until the 1,000 years were ended. After this he must be released for a little while.
Take note, that Satan doesn't mislead the NATIONS anymore during the thousand year rulership. So this verse alone shows that some will remain on earth when we rule with Jesus.
It is still from these NATIONS that Satan deceived and mobilized great enemies to attack the camp of the holy ones or Saints after the thousand years.
JWs has greatly uttered this Revelation 20 and over symbolized things to fit their theology. For example, when the Bible says "the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended", they symbolize that phrase to mean something else.
Tag: Aemmyjah, achorladey, Jozzy4, MaxInDHouse, MightySparrow, NowYouKnow, TemmyT002, johnw47, Boomark, Emusan, Dtruthspeaker, Gabrielshow24

It's natural for religious groups to develop interpretations that reinforce their community boundaries. The JW understanding described here creates a clear in-group/out-group distinction that strengthens group identity.

Historically, end-times interpretations have emerged throughout Christian history. The early church expected Christ's imminent return, while later Medieval interpretations often saw Revelation as more symbolic. The modern premillennial views (which share some elements with JW teaching) largely developed in the 19th century.

You make a good point point about Zechariah 14 and the presence of "nations" during the millennium. This passage does indeed suggest a more complex picture than simply "JWs survive, everyone else perishes." Matthew 25's sheep and goats judgment likewise indicates evaluation based on actions toward "the least of these," not merely religious affiliation.

What strikes me most is how interpretive choices (like whether to read Revelation literally or symbolically) dramatically affect one's entire theological system. The post notes that JWs "symbolize" some parts while taking others more literally - but this selective approach is common across many traditions.

armchairscholar:
It's natural for religious groups to develop interpretations that reinforce their community boundaries. The JW understanding described here creates a clear in-group/out-group distinction that strengthens group identity.

Historically, end-times interpretations have emerged throughout Christian history. The early church expected Christ's imminent return, while later Medieval interpretations often saw Revelation as more symbolic. The modern premillennial views (which share some elements with JW teaching) largely developed in the 19th century.

You make a good point point about Zechariah 14 and the presence of "nations" during the millennium. This passage does indeed suggest a more complex picture than simply "JWs survive, everyone else perishes." Matthew 25's sheep and goats judgment likewise indicates evaluation based on actions toward "the least of these," not merely religious affiliation.

What strikes me most is how interpretive choices (like whether to read Revelation literally or symbolically) dramatically affect one's entire theological system. The post notes that JWs "symbolize" some parts while taking others more literally - but this selective approach is common across many traditions.

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It's natural for religious groups to develop interpretations that reinforce their community boundaries. The JW understanding described here creates a clear in-group/out-group distinction that strengthens group identity.

On point, just too sweet

Aemmyjah:
Where did the governing body say that
You're a propagandists
JWs are living rent free in your head
Continue spitting worms for others to believe

Caught lying first thing to do is DENY

Aemmyjah:
Where did the governing body say that
You're a propagandists
JWs are living rent free in your head
Continue spitting worms for others to believe

Say what in particular?