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Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by QuinQ(f): 8:22pm On Apr 11, 2025
lendahand:
You mean God indulges people? How can that help his child grow? Instructions will be passed to his children by Him and you are expected to cooperate. What you want to hear Ke?
Did you notice "God" is in quotes?
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by KIDfurniture(m): 9:34pm On Apr 11, 2025
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by Versal: 10:13pm On Apr 11, 2025
Pastors and arrogance.
God will come and tell you not to cut your hair??
Who are you? God didn't even come to His begotten Son.
Foolish man.

If you ever were visited by an entity, it MUST be an angel.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by Caseless: 12:07am On Apr 12, 2025
Pastor Jimmy recalled a woman from Zimbabwe who travelled all the way to Nigeria just to share a vision she had back in 2016 — while in New York. In the vision, she saw him, dreadlocks and all, giving her instructions and guiding her spiritually.

Now get this — back in 2016, he didn’t even have long hair. But God, already seeing ahead, was preparing him to be the person this woman needed to recognize in 2025.
na after you don become Senior Pastor she de give you this? If so, na lamba. If she did before he took over the church, then I can believe her.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by immaculatesense(m): 6:54am On Apr 12, 2025
QuinQ:
Not sure what you mean. But here’s Paul

1 Corinthians 11:14-15 ESV
Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
Sir.
From the verses you quoted, it is the verse that showed that it is cultural. That verse 14 is what exposed the cultural aspect. The word "nature" used by Brother Paul is the Greek word "phusis" which means "Native disposition, constitution or usage."
When you study the Roman culture in which Paul is a citizen and the Corinthians were her colony, you will know that their men don't keep long hair (even in their movies like Spartacus and the likes) they believe it is Barbariana (the Tracians and other unlearned culture even Jewish men that keep long hair, most of the pictures of Jesus attributes long hair to him though he is a man). Their (Roman) women don't cut their hair (cutting hair is a sign of adultery and prostitution).
Sir, read more on Roman culture on hair for both men and women.
So, Brother Paul was using it to pass a message across which is culturally binding like Yorubas will teach their daughters to kneel to greet and boy should prostrate. It is culturally good but not spiritually binding because you can't force that greeting style on a European child. I hope you get.

Thanks.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by QuinQ(f): 7:09am On Apr 12, 2025
immaculatesense:
Sir.
From the verses you quoted, it is the verse that showed that it is cultural. That verse 14 is what exposed the cultural aspect. The word "nature" used by Brother Paul is the Greek word "phusis" which means "Native disposition, constitution or usage."
When you study the Roman culture in which Paul is a citizen and the Corinthians were her colony, you will know that their men don't keep long hair (even in their movies like Spartacus and the likes) they believe it is Barbariana (the Tracians and other unlearned culture even Jewish men that keep long hair, most of the pictures of Jesus attributes long hair to him though he is a man). Their (Roman) women don't cut their hair (cutting hair is a sign of adultery and prostitution).
Sir, read more on Roman culture on hair for both men and women.
So, Brother Paul was using it to pass a message across which is culturally binding like Yorubas will teach their daughters to kneel to greet and boy should prostrate. It is culturally good but not spiritually binding because you can't force that greeting style on a European child. I hope you get.

Thanks.
Thanks madam but remember, Paul always told us when he was writing something outside God's instructions (like his own opinion). He could have simply kept quiet on the subject but If he found it necessary to include "If a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him", you really think Christian men should go about wearing long hair??
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by immaculatesense(m): 9:14am On Apr 12, 2025
QuinQ:
Thanks madam but remember, Paul always told us when he was writing something outside God's instructions (like his own opinion). He could have simply kept quiet on the subject but If he found it necessary to include "If a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him", you really think Christian men should go about wearing long hair??
I am a man.
I have made my points and you have made yours. It is a cultural thing. Let me conclude this way.
You were particular about "men". Let me say this, didn't Paul also say "a woman on cut is shameful to that woman?" Did that apply again today? Many women are going on cut now and it is normal in our culture of today.
If you agree that a man should not have long hair, then a woman should not cut her hair, since Paul said both are shameful.
Sir, it has cultural interpretation in all areas and not spiritual.

THAT RULE BINDS BOTH MEN AND WOMEN. DONT LET US EXCLUDE WOMEN AND FOCUS ON MEN ALONE. IF WOMEN BREAK THE RULES AND MEN BREAK THE RULES, WHY DO WE EXEMPT WOMEN THAT CUT THEIR HAIR AND CASTIGATE MEN THAT KEEP THEIR HAIR.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by QuinQ(f): 9:23am On Apr 12, 2025
immaculatesense:
I am a man.
I have made my points and you have made yours. It is a cultural thing. Let me conclude this way.
You were particular about "men". Let me say this, didn't Paul also say "a woman on cut is shameful to that woman?" Did that apply again today? Many women are going on cut now and it is normal in our culture of today.
If you agree that a man should not have long hair, then a woman should not cut her hair, since Paul said both are shameful.
Sir, it has cultural interpretation in all areas and not spiritual.

THAT RULE BINDS BOTH MEN AND WOMEN. DONT LET US EXCLUDE WOMEN AND FOCUS ON MEN ALONE. IF WOMEN BREAK THE RULES AND MEN BREAK THE RULES, WHY DO WE EXEMPT WOMEN THAT CUT THEIR HAIR AND CASTIGATE MEN THAT KEEP THEIR HAIR.
How are we sure you're a man?
Don’t put words in Mr. Paul's mouth. He never said it's a disgrace to her. Below is what he said exactly:

but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by immaculatesense(m): 9:35am On Apr 12, 2025
QuinQ:
How are we sure you're a man?
Don’t put words in Mr. Paul's mouth. He never said it's a disgrace to her. Below is what he said exactly:

but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.
Sir.
If you know my trajectory you will know I always respect people's opinion and I don't like back and forth but you accused me of putting words in Paul's mouth which is unfair and it is because you overlooked a verse in that chapter. I don't need an apology but I just want you to know that you are not fair to me.
This is what Paul said himself
1 Corinthians 11:6
[6]Yes, if she refuses to wear a head covering, she should cut off all her hair! [/b]But since it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut or her head shaved,[b] she should wear a covering.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by QuinQ(f): 9:41am On Apr 12, 2025
immaculatesense:
Sir.
If you know my trajectory you will know I always respect people's opinion and I don't like back and forth but you accused me of putting words in Paul's mouth which is unfair and it is because you overlooked a verse in that chapter. I don't need an apology but I just want you to know that you are not fair to me.
This is what Paul said himself
1 Corinthians 11:6
[6]Yes, if she refuses to wear a head covering, she should cut off all her hair! [/b]But since it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut or her head shaved,[b] she should wear a covering.
See the full quotation below madam. And no I don't need an apology. I don't know any mainstream Christian men who cover their hair in church nor women who uncover or shave off theirs. Do you?

For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by victorazyvictor(m): 9:54am On Apr 12, 2025
QuinQ:
Did you notice "God" is in quotes?
Were we talking about uncles here?

Na Satan dey my own quote?

Oga drop ur ego and learn from the correction so that you won't be capping anyhow.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by immaculatesense(m): 10:35am On Apr 12, 2025
QuinQ:
See the full quotation below madam. And no I don't need an apology. I don't know any mainstream Christian men who cover their hair in church nor women who uncover or shave off theirs. Do you?

For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
Sir.
I have made my submission and I respect yours
But let me ask you. If the covering of women's hair showed marital submission to their husbands. What about those who are not married that use hair covering? Should they use hair covering?
But like I said. I respect your view. People who have read our submissions will know what has been discussed and they have the liberty to make their decision.

Thanks
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by QuinQ(f): 8:51pm On Apr 12, 2025
immaculatesense:
Sir.
I have made my submission and I respect yours
But let me ask you. If the covering of women's hair showed marital submission to their husbands. What about those who are not married that use hair covering? Should they use hair covering?
But like I said. I respect your view. People who have read our submissions will know what has been discussed and they have the liberty to make their decision.

Thanks
Madam,
Thanks for your Politeness. So I ask you again: do you know any mainstream Christian men who cover their hair in church nor women who uncover or shave off theirs?

Thanks
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by immaculatesense(m): 9:02pm On Apr 12, 2025
QuinQ:
Madam,
Thanks for your Politeness. So I ask you again: do you know any mainstream Christian men who cover their hair in church nor women who uncover or shave off theirs?

Thanks
Sorry sir or ma.
I have seen women in churches with their head uncovered and so on cut. I have also seen men in churches with their caps on their heads.
Let's not discuss this issue again ma or sir. I have respected you view and I stick to mine that it is a cultural advice from Brother Paul.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by QuinQ(f): 9:26pm On Apr 12, 2025
immaculatesense:
Sorry sir or ma.
I have seen women in churches with their head uncovered and so on cut. I have also seen men in churches with their caps on their heads.
Let's not discuss this issue again ma or sir. I have respected you view and I stick to mine that it is a cultural advice from Brother Paul.
My dear sir or madam,
Everything is cultural within it's own culture. All Christian practices are cultural within the Christian culture. A man who wears a cap in a MAINSTREAM Christian church, or a woman with an uncovered hair, will quickly be given signs to correct it - NOT that they'll get arrested!
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by Gabrielshow24: 9:34pm On Apr 12, 2025
Versal:
Pastors and arrogance.
God will come and tell you not to cut your hair??
Who are you? God didn't even come to His begotten Son.
Foolish man.

If you ever were visited by an entity, it MUST be an angel.
This is rather harsh!
Also, You have a skewed perception of God's modus operandi! He doesn't need to come before he can speak to you!

This also doesn't take into cognizance the spirit of God, within him, speaking to him!
Thus it's plausible for God to give directives regarding some things but the Father that I know is not too concerned about such frivolities!

Whether he cuts his hair or not the major thing should be about his stance with God! 🤧
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by QuinQ(f): 9:34pm On Apr 12, 2025
victorazyvictor:
Were we talking about uncles here?

Na Satan dey my own quote?

Oga drop ur ego and learn from the correction so that you won't be capping anyhow.
Why is NL full of semi-illiterates?! You have to spoon-feed them everything!
Madam, when you put God inside quotation marks as in "God", it means it is NOT really God talking or doing whatever!!!
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by Truthseeker10:
immaculatesense:
Sir.
From the verses you quoted, it is the verse that showed that it is cultural. That verse 14 is what exposed the cultural aspect. The word "nature" used by Brother Paul is the Greek word "phusis" which means "Native disposition, constitution or usage."
When you study the Roman culture in which Paul is a citizen and the Corinthians were her colony, you will know that their men don't keep long hair (even in their movies like Spartacus and the likes) they believe it is Barbariana (the Tracians and other unlearned culture even Jewish men that keep long hair, most of the pictures of Jesus attributes long hair to him though he is a man). Their (Roman) women don't cut their hair (cutting hair is a sign of adultery and prostitution).
Sir, read more on Roman culture on hair for both men and women.
So, Brother Paul was using it to pass a message across which is culturally binding like Yorubas will teach their daughters to kneel to greet and boy should prostrate. It is culturally good but not spiritually binding because you can't force that greeting style on a European child. I hope you get.

Thanks.
If Paul was strictly talking about the Romam "custom" of doing things, explain what Paul meant in 1 Corinthians 11:16.

If it was "natural" and "customary" for all Jewish men to keep long hairs, explain Numbers 6:5.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by victorazyvictor(m): 4:03am On Apr 13, 2025
QuinQ:
Why is NL full of semi-illiterates?! You have to spoon-feed them everything!
Madam, when you put God inside quotation marks as in "God", it means it is NOT really God talking or doing whatever!!!
Meaning your a full illiterate as per say.
Quoting means what?
Am done arguing with you.

Meanwhile ma not madam. Bye.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by QuinQ(f): 4:36am On Apr 13, 2025
victorazyvictor:
Meaning your a full illiterate as per say.
Quoting means what?
Am done arguing with you.

Meanwhile ma not madam. Bye.
Semi-illiterate, ma'am, if you write: "God" told him. It means it is NOT really God that told him. It is different from writing: God told him.
I already knew this in primary school. Did you finish secondary school ma'am?
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by immaculatesense(m): 8:40am On Apr 13, 2025
QuinQ:
My dear sir or madam,
Everything is cultural within it's own culture. All Christian practices are cultural within the Christian culture. A man who wears a cap in a MAINSTREAM Christian church, or a woman with an uncovered hair, will quickly be given signs to correct it - NOT that they'll get arrested!
Please, I will like to address you well. Is it sir or ma?
Thank God you said MAINSTREAM because I know many churches that don't correct women to cover their head (not hair). We need to know the difference between covering head and covering hair.

Thanks.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by immaculatesense(m): 8:42am On Apr 13, 2025
Truthseeker10:
If Paul was strictly talking about the Romam "custom" of doing things, explain what Paul meant in 1 Corinthians 11:16.

If it was "natural" and "customary" for all Jewish men to keep long hairs, explain Numbers 6:5.
Sir.
I do not understand ur point.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by Truthseeker10: 9:27am On Apr 13, 2025
immaculatesense:
Sir.
1)I do not understand ur point.
If Paul was strictly talking about the Romam "custom" of doing things in 1 Corinthians 11:14 as you explained, explain what Paul meant by the word "custom" in 1 Corinthians 11:16 shown below.
New Living Translation
But if anyone wants to argue about this, I simply say that we have no other custom than this, and neither do God’s other churches

King James Bible
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

2)If it was "natural" and "customary" for all Jewish men to keep long hairs according to you, explain why Numbers 6:5 says that the nazirite should not cut their hair.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by immaculatesense(m): 11:08am On Apr 13, 2025
Truthseeker10:
If Paul was strictly talking about the Romam "custom" of doing things in 1 Corinthians 11:14 as you explained, explain what Paul meant by the word "custom" in 1 Corinthians 11:16 shown below.
New Living Translation
But if anyone wants to argue about this, I simply say that we have no other custom than this, and neither do God’s other churches

King James Bible
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

2)If it was "natural" and "customary" for all Jewish men to keep long hairs according to you, explain why Numbers 6:5 says that the nazirite should not cut their hair.
Sir.
I don't like argument.
On Numbers you quoted. Didn't Absalom have long hair that was well praised as part of his beauty? Why wasn't Absalom condemned for breaking the law or was he also a Nazarite or on vow yearly because he trims it just once yearly.
Didn't keeping beards part of the requirement for men that David had to tell the elders whose beards were shaved to stay at the border for such a long time until their beard grow. Do we follow those requirements as Christians now?
I Corinthians 11:16 you quoted earlier the meaning is that the teaching is NOT A CUSTOM in the church. It was just an advice from Paul and NOT A GENERAL CUSTOM of the Church. Good and read the original Greek and its interpretation.

Thanks.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by Truthseeker10: 12:14pm On Apr 13, 2025
immaculatesense:
Sir.
I don't like argument.
On Numbers you quoted. Didn't Absalom have long hair that was well praised as part of his beauty? Why wasn't Absalom condemned for breaking the law or was he also a Nazarite or on vow yearly because he trims it just once yearly.
Didn't keeping beards part of the requirement for men that David had to tell the elders whose beards were shaved to stay at the border for such a long time until their beard grow. Do we follow those requirements as Christians now?
oga is the commandments to the nazirite not a proof that Jewish men were accustomed to cutting their hair? Did Absalom not cut his hair?
I Corinthians 11:16 you quoted earlier the meaning is that the teaching is NOT A CUSTOM in the church. It was just an advice from Paul and NOT A GENERAL CUSTOM of the Church. Good and read the original Greek and its interpretation.

Thanks.
Below is 1 Corinthians 11:16 in NLT and KJV.
Living Translation
But if anyone wants to argue about this, I simply say that we have no other custom than this, and neither do God’s other churches

King James Bible
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

What "custom" was Paul saying that the church in corinth does not have, is it the one he gave them in 1 Corinthians 11 that included head covering for women in the church, was head covering also a Roman culture or an instruction from paul?
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by victorazyvictor(m): 12:43pm On Apr 13, 2025
QuinQ:
Semi-illiterate, ma'am, if you write: "God" told him. It means it is NOT really God that told him. It is different from writing: God told him.
I already knew this in primary school. Did you finish secondary school ma'am?
No wonder you couldn't pass English grin
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by immaculatesense(m): 12:44pm On Apr 13, 2025
Truthseeker10:
oga is the commandments to the nazirite not a proof that Jewish men were accustomed to cutting their hair? Did Absalom not cut his hair?

Below is 1 Corinthians 11:16 in NLT and KJV.
Living Translation
But if anyone wants to argue about this, I simply say that we have no other custom than this, and neither do God’s other churches

King James Bible
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

What "custom" was Paul saying that the church in corinth does not have, is it the one he gave them in 1 Corinthians 11 that included head covering for women in the church, was head covering also a Roman culture or an instruction from paul?
In Jewish customs. Is cutting of hair not a sign of widowhood? Is it applicable again today?
Answer, IS IT A SIN FOR A WOMAN TO CUT HER HAIR WITHOUT BEING A WIDOW?

Thanks
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by QuinQ(f): 12:56pm On Apr 13, 2025
victorazyvictor:
No wonder you couldn't pass English grin
At least learn this (so you don't keep disgracing yourself in the future):
Any word in quotes in a statement means it is NOT really that thing or that word.

Happy Palm Sunday!
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by Truthseeker10: 12:58pm On Apr 13, 2025
immaculatesense:
In Jewish customs. Is cutting of hair not a sign of widowhood? Is it applicable again today?
Answer, IS IT A SIN FOR A WOMAN TO CUT HER HAIR WITHOUT BEING A WIDOW?

Thanks
1)Where were isrealites women told to shave their hair as a sign of widowhood?

2)oga is the commandments to the nazirite not a proof that Jewish men were accustomed to cutting their hair? Did Absalom not cut his hair?

3)Below is 1 Corinthians 11:16 in NLT and KJV.
Living Translation
But if anyone wants to argue about this, I simply say that we have no other custom than this, and neither do God’s other churches

King James Bible
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

What "custom" was Paul saying that the church in corinth does not have, is it the one he gave them in 1 Corinthians 11 that included head covering for women in the church, was head covering also a Roman culture or an instruction from paul?
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by immaculatesense(m): 1:58pm On Apr 13, 2025
Truthseeker10:
1)Where were isrealites women told to shave their hair as a sign of widowhood?

2)oga is the commandments to the nazirite not a proof that Jewish men were accustomed to cutting their hair? Did Absalom not cut his hair?

3)Below is 1 Corinthians 11:16 in NLT and KJV.
Living Translation
But if anyone wants to argue about this, I simply say that we have no other custom than this, and neither do God’s other churches

King James Bible
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

What "custom" was Paul saying that the church in corinth does not have, is it the one he gave them in 1 Corinthians 11 that included head covering for women in the church, was head covering also a Roman culture or an instruction from paul?
Sir
What Paul said is that the church does not have such custom or practice.

Please answer. Should Christian women cover their head in church?

Thanks.
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by victorazyvictor(m): 2:11pm On Apr 13, 2025
QuinQ:
At least learn this (so you don't keep disgracing yourself in the future):
Any word in quotes in a statement means it is NOT really that thing or that word.

Happy Palm Sunday!
Akwoya
Re: God Told Me Not To Cut My Hair — Pastor Jimmy Odukoya by Expanse2020(m): 6:36pm On Apr 13, 2025
AntlisIaam:
Shey your quran tell you not to cut ur hair?
But bible said otherwise
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