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| Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 1:25pm On Apr 12, 2025 |
Job's Trials: Job's story is one of unparalleled suffering. Satan, with God's permission, unleashes a series of devastating events upon Job: the loss of his possessions, his children, and finally, his health. These trials are not presented as a consequence of Job's sin, but rather as a test of his faith. Throughout, Job wrestles with his suffering, questioning God's justice and the meaning of his pain. Yet, he ultimately maintains his integrity, refusing to curse God despite his immense loss. How do we compare Jesus's temtation by Satan? To turn stone into bread! To throw himself from the Temple top! To bow down and worship him! How about Satan killing Mary, Joseph and all Jesus's family for the start? These temptation and trials no fair o! |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Gabrielshow24: 3:05pm On Apr 12, 2025 |
Antichristian2:Temtation nko, Tentation 😅 ni. Well, they have different circumstances. Jesus came to deliver man by laying down his life while job was being tested for his faithfulness. Irrespective, all Jesus' temptations meant he was to go against God—the same aim for Job's temptation. In summary, same principle; different method employed by Satan! |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Kobojunkie: 3:11pm On Apr 12, 2025 |
Antichristian2:What exactly is the reason behind wanting to compare the experiences of both individuals? Are any of the experiences of any two men in all of the books of Israelite Scripture the same? ![]() |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 3:15am On Apr 14, 2025 |
Gabrielshow24:So Satan no fit ask God to kill Jesus's family? Na just simple test he give am? How's that fair? |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 3:16am On Apr 14, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:I think both were righteous men! Why can't they be compared? Moses was compared to Jesus! Elijah with John! When hasn't People being compared in the Bible? |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Kobojunkie: 3:30am On Apr 14, 2025 |
Antichristian2:Abraham , Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David and even Solomon were also righteous men but I don't see you comparing Job to any one of them in this. ![]() 3. Moses was not compared to Jesus Christ on grounds of them both being righteous but on different grounds.. they each brought YHWH's Law to the people of Israel. Elijah was compared to John in order to draw focus to the connection that existed between the two men -- they were one and the same beings. Clearly, the book does something entirely different from what you assert, it seems. ![]() |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 3:50am On Apr 14, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:Of course Abraham had to go kill his son! Why can't Jesus be tested with his family instead of petty turn stone to bread? That Jesus's temptation is watery and petty! Jesus had everything setup for him unlike Job, Abraham, Moses, Joseph, Jonah, etc who where tried with life threatening situations! Forget it. |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Gabrielshow24: 7:36am On Apr 14, 2025 |
Antichristian2:Will it be answered? 🤨 Are you really unable to see that Satan acted within the limits of what was permitted to him? The things he had power over were precisely what he used to tempt Jesus, all centered around God. 🤨 Furthermore, no sane person compares apples and oranges 🤔 when it’s so obvious that they are fundamentally different. 🤨 |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Gabrielshow24: 7:38am On Apr 14, 2025 |
Antichristian2:You seem to forget the plethora of instances where His life was threatened 🤨. |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 7:41am On Apr 14, 2025 |
Gabrielshow24:Whose life was threatened? And how was his life threatened? When was his life threatened? Jesus had a stable life from 0-30 years! Only three years was a little bumpy till 33. |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 7:44am On Apr 14, 2025 |
Gabrielshow24:Same God according the Bible that created calamity created prosperity! He can use any of them to test anyone! Jesus was hungry many times! He had the power to curse the fig tree to wither but not stone to bread? Nollywood! Jesus was compared to Moses by Matthew or so! How was Jesus's temptation like Moses's? |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Gabrielshow24: 7:48am On Apr 14, 2025 |
Antichristian2:I'm not surprised you would say this, especially considering you don't read the Bible. 🤨 If you did, you wouldn't be giving such a misguided response. Scripture clearly states that on several occasions, the "Jews" sought to kill Him. You can find references in Luke 13:31-35, John 10:33, John 8:59, Mark 3:6, Matthew 27:1-2, and Matthew 26:47-56. 🤔 Ultimately, Jesus gave His life for humanity, and He stated that no one could take His life from Him. 🤨 |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Gabrielshow24: 7:53am On Apr 14, 2025 |
Antichristian2:Can't you see how skewed your perception is? For what reason should He turn stones into bread? 🤨 He depends on His Father. Additionally, the fig tree has both allegorical and literal meanings. 😂 Don't be so eager for a comeback when you clearly don't have one! Please quote the verse where Jesus is compared to Moses so we can properly understand the context of that comparison. 🤨 So far, you seem desperate and willing to twist anything to fit your misguided narratives.🤧 |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by delkuf(m): 9:27am On Apr 14, 2025 |
Antichristian2:what is killing the family of Jesus has to do with what Jesus went through. They didn't kill the family of Jesus but they killed him. Jesus himself went through the pains and temptation that comes with dying on the cross unlike job that it was his children that died. |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Kobojunkie: 9:42am On Apr 14, 2025*. Modified: 10:03am On Apr 14, 2025 |
Antichristian2:Abraham NEVER killed his son;let's not fudge stories please. ![]() 2. Why should He have been tested exactly the same way as, say Moses or Solomon or David was? ![]() 3. The same should also be said of the numerous other righteous men who were not tested exactly as Job was, right? I mean since you are one to approve the test and not YHWH Himself, the one who did the approving, abi? ![]() 4. By the way, Abraham was approved Righteous not when he made the decision kill Isaac but rather long before that -- when he left his father's religion to obey God instead. (Abraham's approval came long before even Ishmael was born to him.) Moses had been approved righteous by YHWH probably before he approached the burning bush. Jesus Christ had been approved righteous probably before or around the time of His baptism, before was eventually tested by the devil in the wilderness, not afterwards. If you had spent time reading the book, you would have seen where YHWH emphasized that He does not answer the prayers of the unrighteous meaning He only answers after He has first approved one righteous. ![]() |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 7:10am On Apr 15, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:I never said he killed him. He attempted to. 2. Why should He have been tested exactly the same way as, say Moses or Solomon or David was?I don't mean exactly in the same way. But just some much tangible that turning stone to bread! Those Jesus's trials are watery! 3. The same should also be said of the numerous other righteous men who were not tested exactly as Job was, right? I mean since you are one to approve the test and not YHWH Himself, the one who did the approving, abi?Once again, it shouldn't be exactly the same. Trials like that of Joseph, Jacob, Abraham, Moses, etc. 4. By the way, Abraham was approved Righteous not when he made the decision kill Isaac but rather long before that -- when he left his father's religion to obey God instead. (Abraham's approval came long before even Ishmael was born to him.) Moses had been approved righteous by YHWH probably before he approached the burning bush. Jesus Christ had been approved righteous probably before or around the time of His baptism, before was eventually tested by the devil in the wilderness, not afterwards. If you had spent time reading the book, you would have seen where YHWH emphasized that He does not answer the prayers of the unrighteous meaning He only answers after He has first approved one righteous.I never talked of approval and I don't see how that's related here! Abraham left his polytheistic family to pursue the true path! Abraham was a strict monotheist not a trinitarian! |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 7:13am On Apr 15, 2025 |
delkuf:That's not a trial nor temptation! John too was beheaded! And many others too! Look at Jacob losing two of his sons! Look at Joseph being separated from his family for decades being sold to slavery! To be focused, I was even comparing Satan's temptation of Jesus with that of Job! Job was a great man! |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by delkuf(m): 8:37am On Apr 15, 2025 |
Antichristian2:you are still in this temptation thing my brother. The devil tempting the Lord Jesus not defeat Jesus but because the scripture should be fulfilled. Even if the devil killed the mother and father of Jesus, Jesus would have still stand and wouldn't have given in into the temptation because the greatest temptation of all is when the Lord Jesus was hung on the cross. The pains he went through. The spitting and the slapping but Jesus didn't fall. He stood. There is no temptation greater than this. If Jesus could stand the cross, he could stand every other temptation. Accept this and have peace |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 4:46pm On Apr 15, 2025 |
delkuf:So John the Baptist's imprisonment and beheading was a greater test then! Anyways, i still hold that Jesus wasn't tested like others! Job and others sufferred for many years! |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Kobojunkie: 6:02pm On Apr 15, 2025 |
Antichristian2:A trial suggests sort of evaluation was carried out hence an approval/grading necessary at the end, but this does not seem to be in line with what is in fact written in the book of Israelite Scripture. ![]() Job was already declared righteous by YHWH in chapter 1 of the book before this supposed trial. Jesus Christ of Israel had already been proclaimed righteous before His very baptism took place. So what is the essence of comparing one of Job's many temptations to one of Jesus Christ of Israel's many temptations? ![]() Temptation happens to all men and to varying degrees throughout their lifetime. ![]() |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by delkuf(m): 5:42am On Apr 16, 2025 |
Antichristian2:why are you still holding. You see my brother this is what the devil wants you to be against because he doesn't want you to be save. You are good with the Bible. Personally I have never met a Muslim that is good with the Bible like you. Stop holding and accept it. You are fighting on the wrong side. If only you could just accept the truth of God's word. |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 10:00am On Apr 16, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:I agree that human's temptations vary! The harder your temptations and trials the more the level of such person in God's sight! Comparing Jesus's and Job's trials, Jesus's trials from Satan still remains subpar sha! |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 10:04am On Apr 16, 2025 |
delkuf:Have you been eating with the devil to know this? You are good with the Bible. Personally I have never met a Muslim that is good with the Bible like you. Stop holding and accept it.I grew up reading the Bible and learning its history... I am on the right! God has no son! God needs no son to help him! God is one not three! |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Kobojunkie: 1:15pm On Apr 16, 2025 |
Antichristian2:There is no truth to this in Israelite Scripture; this particular idea was crafted by your religious overlords for your sakes, I believe. ![]() 2. When it comes to Israelite Scripture, such comparisons hold no meaning. ![]() |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Kobojunkie: 1:18pm On Apr 16, 2025*. Modified: 3:51pm On Apr 16, 2025 |
Antichristian2:That is a definite lie! Rather, you, like over 97% of the religiously inclined, grew up consuming religious doctrines -- narratives structured by other men-- voraciously. That explains why almost all of your processing of content linked to the books contained in the compendium remains aligned with the religious narratives out there and not the facts as stated in the books themselves. ![]() I suggest you banish the thought that your particular religious delusion is in some way superior or better than the religious delusions traded by the religion of Christianity, which came before the religion of Islam, as they were both founded on lies. ![]() |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by delkuf(m): 3:24pm On Apr 16, 2025 |
Antichristian2:it is only the devil that will make you kick against anything Jesus. What is remaining for you is just whole heartily believe the Lord Jesus. If you right with God you will believe on the one whom he sent. Jesus didn't to help God. He came to save mankind. |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 3:46pm On Apr 16, 2025 |
delkuf:I don't kick away Jesus! Any Muslim who does not believe in Jesus a messenger of Allah is not a Muslim. We believe he was sent to the Israelites just as Moses and others were sent too! But it is a lie he came to save mankind! He said it in your Bible himself to the Canaanite woman "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". Matthew 15:24. I believe Jesus was sent! But not to me! |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 3:52pm On Apr 16, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:The religion of Christianity does not exist! Only Islam exist from the time of Noah! Saying Christianity exists before Islam is the lie! |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Kobojunkie: 3:54pm On Apr 16, 2025 |
Antichristian2:🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 See wetin religion don do person head abeg! So, the enterprise called "Christianity" does not exist because the other corporate enterprise called "Islam" would rather, against the very will of all, claim the entire religious space for itself? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 3:54pm On Apr 16, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:So Job's temptation is not different from Jesus? 2. When it comes to Israelite Scripture, such comparisons hold no meaning.Of course it doesn't to you! Anything goes so far its for Jesus! Jesus had it cool for himself biblically! |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Kobojunkie: 3:58pm On Apr 16, 2025 |
Antichristian2:Temptation happens to all already implies the details of temptation itself are of little or no importance when considering the person it happens to. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 2. Nonsense! Even Jesus Christ of Israel made it abundantly clear in the book that YHWH, His Father, is the one whose Will is what He does and the only Will that matters. ![]() |
| Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 4:06pm On Apr 16, 2025 |
Kobojunkie:Yes, the only religion all Prophets from Adam to Jesus and Muhammad practiced is Islam! |
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