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Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Kobojunkie: 4:09pm On Apr 16, 2025
Antichristian2:
➜Yes, the only religion all Prophets from Adam to Jesus and Muhammad practiced is Islam!
Religion is a biatch! This here is the very same religion that labels all those who don't bow to its own god "infidels" we are talking of here. How can Islam be the only religion practiced by them all when Islam refers to those who do not bow to its particular deity— the Jews included— as infidels? The very world we live in today is regularly rocked by this fact thanks to Islamic zealots. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by delkuf(m): 9:56am On Apr 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
I don't kick away Jesus! Any Muslim who does not believe in Jesus a messenger of Allah is not a Muslim. We believe he was sent to the Israelites just as Moses and others were sent too! But it is a lie he came to save mankind! He said it in your Bible himself to the Canaanite woman "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". Matthew 15:24.

I believe Jesus was sent! But not to me!
what was he sent to do. Is it not to save mankind.
There are only two things you should just open up to.
First, Jesus is the son of God.
Second, he came to save mankind through his death on the cross
Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 2:04pm On Apr 17, 2025
delkuf:
what was he sent to do. Is it not to save mankind.
There are only two things you should just open up to.
First, Jesus is the son of God.
Second, he came to save mankind through his death on the cross
If he was sent to mankind he won't tell the woman that he was only sent to Israel!

First, God does not need a son to help him or inherit him. That why our dads need us here!

Secondly, Mankind need no salvation by the death of anyone! God can forgive anyone he wishes to forgive without any blood!
Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 2:20pm On Apr 17, 2025
Kobojunkie:
Religion is a biatch! This here is the very same religion that labels all those who don't bow to its own god "infidels" we are talking of here. How can Islam be the only religion practiced by them all when Islam refers to those who do not bow to its particular deity— the Jews included— as infidels? The very world we live in today is regularly rocked by this fact thanks to Islamic zealots. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Islam labels disbelievers as disbelievers.
It is same in all those other languages. Paul too advices you not to yoke equally with disbelievers.

So that doesn't stop Islam from being the only religion from the time Adam till date!
All other religions are essentially manmade!
Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by delkuf(m): 2:29pm On Apr 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
If he was sent to mankind he won't tell the woman that he was only sent to Israel!

First, God does not need a son to help him or inherit him. That why our dads need us here!

Secondly, Mankind need no salvation by the death of anyone! God can forgive anyone he wishes to forgive without any blood!
for God so loved tge the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth In him should not perish but have everlasting life. So God sent Jesus to the world.
First, Jesus came out from God. The relationship between God and Jesus is not a relationship of God and his slave or God and his messenger, it is a relationship of a father and his son. That is why you keep hearing the Lord Jesus referring to God as a father. Until you know the Lord Jesus like this, you have not truly known Jesus. And you don't believe in him.

Second, let ask you a question, how is our sins forgiven. How can God forgive our sins
Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 2:40pm On Apr 17, 2025
delkuf:
for God so loved tge the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth In him should not perish but have everlasting life. So God sent Jesus to the world.
Yes, that world is Israel!

First, Jesus came out from God. The relationship between God and Jesus is not a relationship of God and his slave or God and his messenger, it is a relationship of a father and his son. That is why you keep hearing the Lord Jesus referring to God as a father. Until you know the Lord Jesus like this, you have not truly known Jesus. And you don't believe in him.
God created all of us including Jesus. Jesus is a messenger of God. That's why God sent him a message to Israel. God didn't gave birth to anyone! God is above reproduction!

Second, let ask you a question, how is our sins forgiven. How can God forgive our sins
Our sins are written off once we repent sincerely and or after being punished for the sin commited!

The main aim of repentance is for forgiveness!

In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.” Matthew 3:1-2

Mark 1:15
“The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel!”

Luke 13:3
No, I tell you. But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn back, so that your sins may be wiped away,

Acts 17:30
Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent.
Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by delkuf(m): 2:59pm On Apr 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
Yes, that world is Israel!

God created all of us including Jesus. Jesus is a messenger of God. That's why God sent him a message to Israel. God didn't gave birth to anyone! God is above reproduction!

Our sins are written off once we repent sincerely and or after being punished for the sin commited!

The main aim of repentance is for forgiveness!

In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.” Matthew 3:1-2

Mark 1:15
“The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel!”

Luke 13:3
No, I tell you. But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn back, so that your sins may be wiped away,

Acts 17:30
Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent.
there is a difference between a messenger and someone doing the works of his Father. If seyi tinubu is working for his will you call him a messenger. Even we all are created in God's image. So if we are like God that makes God as well. So it is not out of place saying Jesus is the son of God.


How do we really repent. Do we just say Father forgive me and that is it. What about if we continue sinning, should we just continue to ask for forgiveness. Sin is of the flesh. What Jesus came to do is to take away this sinful life and hid in himself in heaven and give another life to live with here on earth. Before Jesus came, people have been sinning and asking for forgiveness, after God forgave them they still go back to sin. God will send prophets and when those prophets died they will forget and go back to sin.
Sin is of the heart. It is not something you just TALK YOUR WAY OUT. It is putting off this freshly sinful life and taking up the life that Christ. THERE IS NO TRUE FORGIVENESS WITH FAITH IN DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS
Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Antichristian2(op): 3:24pm On Apr 17, 2025
delkuf:
there is a difference between a messenger and someone doing the works of his Father. If seyi tinubu is working for his will you call him a messenger. Even we all are created in God's image. So if we are like God that makes God as well. So it is not out of place saying Jesus is the son of God.
Seyi Tinubu was a product of fertilization of his mum and dad! Jesus is not given birth to by God! God needs no son to function! He is able to do all things on his own! God did send messengers from Noah, Moses, etc.

How are we created in God's image? Does God have the female breast in his image or not?


How do we really repent. Do we just say Father forgive me and that is it. What about if we continue sinning, should we just continue to ask for forgiveness. Sin is of the flesh. What Jesus came to do is to take away this sinful life and hid in himself in heaven and give another life to live with here on earth. Before Jesus came, people have been sinning and asking for forgiveness, after God forgave them they still go back to sin. God will send prophets and when those prophets died they will forget and go back to sin.
Sin is of the heart. It is not something you just TALK YOUR WAY OUT. It is putting off this freshly sinful life and taking up the life that Christ. THERE IS NO TRUE FORGIVENESS WITH FAITH IN DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS
There has been repentance before Jesus came! So it is a lie that Jesus died for anyone's sin!

If an evil person stops sinning and keeps my laws, if he does what is right and good, he will not die; he will certainly live. All his sins will be forgiven, and he will live, because he did what is right. Ezekiel 18:21-32
Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Kobojunkie: 3:29pm On Apr 17, 2025
Antichristian2:
➜Islam labels disbelievers as disbelievers. It is same in all those other languages.
➜ Paul too advices you not to yoke equally with disbelievers.
➜So that doesn't stop Islam from being the only religion from the time Adam till date! All other religions are essentially manmade!
If, according to you, all religions are under the umbrella of Islam, how can there exist "infidels" or whatever subtle term you wish to use for them at this point in time? undecided

2. Paul did not advise me since I am not Paul's servant. Also, according to his letters, those who were not of his belief were Israelites who refused to convert to the New Covenant that was offered to them by their Israelite Deity. You would note this since the same Paul had no issues presenting himself to the Romans as one who was to be considered on equal footing as them, given that he too happened to be a Roman. He obviously did not consider the Romans unbelievers. grin

3. According to you, every religion out there does not exist because they are all, by default, Islamic, regardless of the deity they bow or bowed to. That is the extent of your previous claim. If all other religions are manmade and everyone is indeed an Islamic, then what exactly have Islamics been agitating for? So, why backtrack now? undecided
Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Agboriotejoye(m): 4:31pm On Apr 18, 2025
Antichristian2:
Job's Trials:
Job's story is one of unparalleled suffering. Satan, with God's permission, unleashes a series of devastating events upon Job: the loss of his possessions, his children, and finally, his health. These trials are not presented as a consequence of Job's sin, but rather as a test of his faith. Throughout, Job wrestles with his suffering, questioning God's justice and the meaning of his pain. Yet, he ultimately maintains his integrity, refusing to curse God despite his immense loss.

How do we compare Jesus's temtation by Satan?

To turn stone into bread!
To throw himself from the Temple top!

To bow down and worship him!

How about Satan killing Mary, Joseph and all Jesus's family for the start? These temptation and trials no fair o!
You're right
Job is also greater than Muhammad since his trial is greater than anything Muhammad ever faced. Yet job never robbed caravan or snatch another man's wife or kill people in retaliation
Job is a true messenger of God
Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Gabrielshow24: 3:32pm On Apr 19, 2025
Antichristian2:
I don't kick away Jesus! Any Muslim who does not believe in Jesus a messenger of Allah is not a Muslim. We believe he was sent to the Israelites just as Moses and others were sent too! But it is a lie he came to save mankind! He said it in your Bible himself to the Canaanite woman "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel". Matthew 15:24.

I believe Jesus was sent! But not to me!
Don't be foolish, even in your Quran he is called Al-Masih! Kindly explain to us how he came to have such!

Your prophet due to his staunch illiteracy didn't even know what the messiah meant🤨, he just copied it verbatim, that's why your dawahgandists now have the herculean task to explain away such problems🤕

Pathetic lots!
Re: Temptation And Trials - Job Vs Jesus! by Gabrielshow24: 3:40pm On Apr 19, 2025
Antichristian2:
Seyi Tinubu was a product of fertilization of his mum and dad! Jesus is not given birth to by God! God needs no son to function! He is able to do all things on his own! God did send messengers from Noah, Moses, etc.

How are we created in God's image? Does God have the female breast in his image or not?




There has been repentance before Jesus came! So it is a lie that Jesus died for anyone's sin!

If an evil person stops sinning and keeps my laws, if he does what is right and good, he will not die; he will certainly live. All his sins will be forgiven, and he will live, because he did what is right. Ezekiel 18:21-32
We already know the Islamic narratives—Allah needs a consort to create a son. 😅 The irony is that He spoke Adam and Jesus into existence with a simple command: 'Be!'

I wonder how Allah can need a consort when He accomplished all of this. 🤨 It highlights the illiteracy of Muhammad and the early Muslims! To maintain their flawed narratives, they decided to nerf Allah. 😅

And don’t even get me started on the fact that your prophet claimed semen comes from the 'back' 🤨 and that bones are formed before flesh! It’s all quite ridiculous! 🤕
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