₦airaland Forum

fergie001:
Pastor Poju Oyemade, the Senior Pastor and Founder of The Covenant Nation (TCN), a Ministry headquartered in Lagos has in his sermon yesterday, which has now gone viral, claimed that Nigerian Doctors fleeing the country are ungrateful.

In Nigeria, a person will graduate as a medical doctor and spend N500,000 throughout to become a doctor. In America, you graduate from Johns Hopkins, you graduate from Harvard as a doctor, and you spend $2,000. Are you okay? Do you know how much money you spend?

Nigerians are ungrateful. They will go through everything, education. How much do they spend there? You see a Nigerian, if they tell him in Nigeria to do two jobs, he will curse your life out.

They will come to America, wake up in the morning, do first job, do second job, do Uber, and do, everything he’s doing. I said, if they put the fraction of this energy they put here in their country, they will have blown. - Oyemade

NARD responds

In as much as I don't support pastor Poju's view, I'll like to call a spade a spade,no doctor in Nigeria spends $21k as tuition fee even in private university,despite the fact that they spend 6years,nursing which is 5years is still more expensive than medicine because at housemanship level your pay is higher than other healthcare professionals (pharmacy, nursing,radiography etc.) and if you choose to start residency in Nigeria as a doctor which other healthcare professionals don't enjoy,you're being sponsored by the government through out and this still doesn't stop you from private practice, however everybody who renders services to humanity deserves a better standard of living.

Obviously the pastor is talking on behalf of the poor masses. He can choose to keep mute since he can afford medical care anywhere in the world
Kudos to him for speaking up

Porksupplyib:
Well, this is not to support Pastor Poju, but no one spends $21,000 to $50,000 becoming a medical Doctor in Nigeria. That is between 30m and 80m!

If that is the real worth, then it simply means it is heavily subsidized by the government.

Tuition fee in all public universities in Nigeria is not yet up to N1m per Academic session. University of Ibadan is not even yet up to 500k.

Medical students use 6 academic session in school. This means averagely, no student spends up to N5m (including miscellaneous)

Yes, it is true that Medical doctors in Nigeria deserve better pay, but so also does the street sweeper, and every other profession in the country. Everyone deserves better pay for their services.

Do u know how much a street sweeper get paid in developed countries? It is over x30 what they earn here. Exactly the same scenerio. The only difference is that one profession is more skilled and sort after in the globe than the other.
But you must not forget you owe your country for training you.

I don't blame the medics for jumping out of the country, I only blame the govermnt who are irresponsible thieves, thus they don't even have the mouth to say and do what they ought to do.

I used to think like you until I got married to a medic.
My wife is a medical student and what those doctors quoted is actually correct. It's extremely expensive to become a medical doctor in Nigeria. I'm sure I've spent upwards of 3M just this year, and this is aside the ones she paid on her own. Some schools are even more expensive than this.

cococandy:
If you guys are not medical doctors trained in Nigeria then you don’t know this for certain.
Don’t use your tuition to compare to their education expenses.

You think school fees are the only expenses they pay?

What are you talking about? Are they the secret service?

What are the other expenses they pay that will make their fees cost $25k - $50k per year?

How many people don see $50k per year in Nigeria to be able to spend only that on education?

Some people here are ignorant of training cost of a doctor.

Let's do the math:

Average years spent in medical school: 10 years..... 1 million* 10 equals 10 million naira.

Text books, practicals, feeding, accommodation, postings, transportation etc for those 10 years equals another 10m.

God help u if u went to a private school at fees of up to 2 to 3 million naira per session.... Thats already about 20 to 30 m

RSAV:
Up until Year 2010, many FG Universities charged less than 100k for Medicine. You can verify. Law in LASU was 25k up till year 2012 or thereabout. Many doctors who graduated before year 2010 paid less than 500k in tuition fees. That is heavy subsidization by Government.
Presently, private Universities charge as much as 8m for Medicine yet I'm not sure any public Uni chrges 1m for Medicine. Resident doctors should be grateful.

You won't say this if you have someone in medical school

To those of us who believes we Doctors don't owe anyone anything, and Doctors should be allowed to fly out of the country for better pay, my prayer for you all is that, MAY YOU NOT KNOW THE GRAVITY OF THE PROBLEM ON GROUND. Amen

It is when either you or your loved ones fall sick that you will know exactly the issue on ground. All your Doctors are almost out of the country. The few that remains will soon be out. They are only trying to raise the needed money and pass the needed exams. give or take, in the next 10years, the full effect will be a crises (it already is)
Then, we will have this discussion again.

Mind you, those in goevrmnt will not be affected. It is the poor man living in the country, who can't afford to fly out for medical care that will end up dying in numbers.

fergie001:
Pastor Poju Oyemade, the Senior Pastor and Founder of The Covenant Nation (TCN), a Ministry headquartered in Lagos has in his sermon yesterday, which has now gone viral, claimed that Nigerian Doctors fleeing the country are ungrateful.

In Nigeria, a person will graduate as a medical doctor and spend N500,000 throughout to become a doctor. In America, you graduate from Johns Hopkins, you graduate from Harvard as a doctor, and you spend $2,000. Are you okay? Do you know how much money you spend?

Nigerians are ungrateful. They will go through everything, education. How much do they spend there? You see a Nigerian, if they tell him in Nigeria to do two jobs, he will curse your life out.

They will come to America, wake up in the morning, do first job, do second job, do Uber, and do, everything he’s doing. I said, if they put the fraction of this energy they put here in their country, they will have blown. - Oyemade

NARD responds

Pastors are part of the problems in this country. They jump on the pulpit and assume the position of Jesus Christ Himself. Instead of using his platform to advocate for better pay for workers in genera and good allowances for medical doctors so that they can stay at home. He chose to demonise doctors cos they chose better life.

For those touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm gang. Una dey craze, na una drag us reach this point. Una and una pastors are part of the huge national problem drawing us back. Imagine the rubbish a supposed learned pastor is spewing!

"They will come to America, wake up in the morning, do first job, do second job, do Uber, and do, everything he’s doing. I said, if they put the fraction of this energy they put here in their country, they will have blown." Definitely talking out from his ass... How long does he think one job covers over there?.. Does he think it's the same 9am to 5pm that we do over here?.. When people like this talk, I don't blame them, I blame his followers that still pay tithe and offerings to his church thinking that it changes anything in their lives...

ednut1:
Fatoyinbo went abroad to treat his cancer

Actually he went all over the world and still didn't get the cure until he came back home....

Zeebuy:
I used to think like you until I got married to a medic.
My wife is a medical student and what those doctors quoted is actually correct. It's extremely expensive to become a medical doctor in Nigeria. I'm sure I've spent upwards of 3M just this year, and this is aside the ones she paid on her own. Some schools are even more expensive than this.

If you don't mind me asking, Which university?

All these mumu pastors

They gave the training fees in Dollars but state the salary in Naira.

Dumbos

Porksupplyib:
Smiles.
I am in the medical field. No one spends $21,000 becoming a Medical doctor in Nigeria.

Not the amount quoted, but they spend more than N5m. I don't know how much you spent cumulatively but at this point, it will be more than that.

Private university students obviously spend more than that before graduating...talk more of what gets spent after.

fergie001:
Pastor Poju Oyemade, the Senior Pastor and Founder of The Covenant Nation (TCN), a Ministry headquartered in Lagos has in his sermon yesterday, which has now gone viral, claimed that Nigerian Doctors fleeing the country are ungrateful.

In Nigeria, a person will graduate as a medical doctor and spend N500,000 throughout to become a doctor. In America, you graduate from Johns Hopkins, you graduate from Harvard as a doctor, and you spend $2,000. Are you okay? Do you know how much money you spend?

Nigerians are ungrateful. They will go through everything, education. How much do they spend there? You see a Nigerian, if they tell him in Nigeria to do two jobs, he will curse your life out.

They will come to America, wake up in the morning, do first job, do second job, do Uber, and do, everything he’s doing. I said, if they put the fraction of this energy they put here in their country, they will have blown. - Oyemade

NARD responds

What do you expect from a rebellious god of men…spits

Porksupplyib:
If you don't mind me asking, Which university?

Imo State University in Owerri. My cousin in OAU still complains of the same thing.
It makes me think they made Medicine/Surgery expensive on purpose.
Private universities Faculty of Medical sciences, those ones are no-go areas

Zeebuy:
I used to think like you until I got married to a medic.
My wife is a medical student and what those doctors quoted is actually correct. It's extremely expensive to become a medical doctor in Nigeria. I'm sure I've spent upwards of 3M just this year, and this is aside the ones she paid on her own. Some schools are even more expensive than this.

Is your wife in a public or private university?

That's a nice response

The last sentence is what sweets me most

Pastors should concentrate on the gospel and stop serving tables! The reason why most of them can't speak truth to power is because they have been compromised in the course of serving tables. Oyedepo can't talk now since FG approved his airstrip, his mouth has been shut by that Greek gift

Enough of this money and transactional gospel we are doing here in Nigeria.

Porksupplyib:
Well, this is not to support Pastor Poju, but no one spends $21,000 to $50,000 becoming a medical Doctor in Nigeria. That is between 30m and 80m!

If that is the real worth, then it simply means it is heavily subsidized by the government.

Tuition fee in all public universities in Nigeria is not yet up to N1m per Academic session. University of Ibadan is not even yet up to 500k.

Medical students use 6 academic session in school. This means averagely, no student spends up to N5m (including miscellaneous)

Yes, it is true that Medical doctors in Nigeria deserve better pay, but so also does the street sweeper, and every other profession in the country. Everyone deserves better pay for their services.

Do u know how much a street sweeper get paid in developed countries? It is over x30 what they earn here. Exactly the same scenerio. The only difference is that one profession is more skilled and sort after in the globe than the other.
But you must not forget you owe your country for training you.

I don't blame the medics for jumping out of the country, I only blame the govermnt who are irresponsible thieves, thus they don't even have the mouth to say and do what they ought to do.

Please can you expatiate how do govt train you ?

That they subsidised education with the citizens tax and collective wealth.. is that the basic job of Govt?

Nard is compromised.
21k usd to train a doctor?

Lies

LegendHero:
What are you talking about? Are they the secret service?

What are the other expenses they pay that will make their fees cost $25k - $50k per year?

How many people don see $50k per year in Nigeria to be able to spend only that on education?

There is nothing implausible in this analysis. If we say $21,000 - $30,000 comes down to about N10m - N15m for 7 years. It’s not to hard to imagine that a medical student will have to spend N1.5m - N2.1m yearly on tuition, accommodation, texts, practicals, feeding, etc etc? Let’s tell ourselves the truth.

Alliswell248:
Nard is compromised.
21k usd to train a doctor?

Lies

Not lies.

$21,000 - $30,000 comes down to about N10m - N15m for 7 years. A medical student will spend N1.5m - N2.1m yearly on tuition, accommodation, texts, practicals, feeding, etc.

This is just an indication that the association also do not know what to respond to. Irrespective of the peer review done, the amount spent on the entire education of a Nigerian Doctor is approximately a year equivalent for students in the US.

For an association to come out to tackle this and at the same time suggesting that Doctors shouldn't show some form of responsibility to the government just shows that the association shouldn't have Nigeria attached to it. It's really sick.

Before you mention or tackle me, I am not suggesting that Doctors aren't free to practice anywhere of their choice but the association coming out to debunk the pastor's statement, of which the point is so obvious is out of place.

Lookmun:
There is nothing implausible in this analysis. If we say $21,000 - $30,000 comes down to about N10m - N15m for 7 years. It’s not to hard to imagine that a medical student will have to spend N1.5m - N2.1m yearly on tuition, accommodation, texts, practicals, feeding, etc etc? Let’s tell ourselves the truth.

Average tuition for medical students is not even up to 600k. Where exactly did you got your 1.5m?

Below is the medical fees for UNILAG. That is 342k per annum. Where did you see 1.5m?

Ah, but how can they have access to what ( tithe and offerings ) they said they give to God. Or are you guys saying that it is our pastors that flex the tithes and offerings their members contribute for them.

Make person wey dey go church answer me, Cos me I don't even bother going to any church.

That 10% I just share it amongst those in real and sincere need, that thank You, and God bless you goes a long way in my life rather than to give it to one scammer parading as pastor.

Lookmun:
Not lies.

$21,000 - $30,000 comes down to about N10m - N15m for 7 years. A medical student will spend N1.5m - N2.1m yearly on tuition, accommodation, texts, practicals, feeding, etc.

Go and stone your math teacher.. how will $21,000 - $30,000 be equal to 10m-15m ?? Are you saying 1 dollar is 500 naira ??


Maybe private university.....But no federal and state university in nigeria where medical students pay more than 500k per year ...quote me anywhere. .

I repeat nowhere federal and state medical students pay more than 500k per year....

If you are talking about private university , I cannot argue that one..

doyin01:
Go and stone your math teacher.. how will $21,000 - $30,000 be equal to 10m-15m ?? Are you saying 1 dollar is 500 naira ??

I think those guys are purposely troollling.

No way you go talk say any normal person go believe say anybody for Nigeria education system whether medicine or not go use $21k - $50k go school for one year.

How many people even have $50k to spare for school expense per year in this Nigeria?

Nauttyprof:
This is just an indication that the association also do not know what to respond to. Irrespective of the peer review done, the amount spent on the entire education of a Nigerian Doctor is approximately a year equivalent for students in the US.

For an association to come out to tackle this and at the same time suggesting that Doctors shouldn't show some form of responsibility to the government just shows that the association shouldn't have Nigeria attached to it. It's really sick.

Before you mention or tackle me, I am not suggesting that Doctors aren't free to practice anywhere of their choice but the association coming out to debunk the pastor's statement, of which the point is so obvious is out of place.

No they have a responsibility to speak the truth no matter whose ox is gored. The same way you cannot compare the average amount of rent paid in Lagos to the average amount of rent paid in London, that’s how you cannot possibly compare the amount of tuition paid in medical school between Nigerian and the UK. It’s apples vs oranges.

They have a responsibility to set records straight and this is what they are trying to do. Who doesn’t want the government to invest more in the welfare of the average medical doctor in Nigeria? Who doesn’t want the government to invest more in Medicare in Nigeria? If these things are in place, will we have the politicians engaging in endless medical tourism? And why should they even are about fixed healthcare in Nigeria when they or their family members don’t use Nigerian hospitals for the most part? These are the things NARD is trying to fix and that’s why they are speaking up.

TrackerSK:
Nice smackdown.Apc is cursed

Watin concern APC with this??


How is DX related to APC??

LegendHero:
Average tuition for medical students is not even up to 600k. Where exactly did you got your 1.5m?

Below is the medical fees for UNILAG. That is 342k per annum. Where did you see 1.5m?

What about texts and handouts? Does every student stay in the hostel? What about yearly upkeep?