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Porksupplyib:
Well, this is not to support Pastor Poju, but no one spends $21,000 to $50,000 becoming a medical Doctor in Nigeria. That is between 30m and 80m!

If that is the real worth, then it simply means it is heavily subsidized by the government.

Tuition fee in all public universities in Nigeria is not yet up to N1m per Academic session. University of Ibadan is not even yet up to 500k.

Medical students use 6 academic session in school. This means averagely, no student spends up to N5m (including miscellaneous)

Yes, it is true that Medical doctors in Nigeria deserve better pay, but so also does the street sweeper, and every other profession in the country. Everyone deserves better pay for their services.

Do u know how much a street sweeper get paid in developed countries? It is over x30 what they earn here. Exactly the same scenerio. The only difference is that one profession is more skilled and sort after in the globe than the other.
But you must not forget you owe your country for training you.

I don't blame the medics for jumping out of the country, I only blame the govermnt who are irresponsible thieves, thus they don't even have the mouth to say and do what they ought to do.

You are not a doctor neither are you a CMD of any teaching hospital, medicine is a 7yrs course with numerous exam and research

if you will oppose the association estimate ... give us the estimate you know.

Know body owes a country that gives you nothing, over 200 people died in plataeu under 2weeks and your president didnt deem it fit to hold a media brief to show empathy

medical doctors pay there tution and related fee without any kobo from the govt m .. so how did Nigeria train you

the pastor just being mischievous, naa him know weytin he stand to gain

doyin01:
Go and stone your math teacher.. how will $21,000 - $30,000 be equal to 10m-15m ?? Are you saying 1 dollar is 500 naira ??


Maybe private university.....But no federal and state university in nigeria where medical students pay more than 500k per year ...quote me anywhere. .

I repeat nowhere federal and state medical students pay more than 500k per year....

If you are talking about private university , I cannot argue that one..

That’s just an estimate. The article said the peer review was done in 2021. I hope you are not using today’s rates. Well these guys did a peer review. If you think they are wrong, you may as well produce yours.

Porksupplyib:
Well, this is not to support Pastor Poju, but no one spends $21,000 to $50,000 becoming a medical Doctor in Nigeria. That is between 30m and 80m!

If that is the real worth, then it simply means it is heavily subsidized by the government.

Tuition fee in all public universities in Nigeria is not yet up to N1m per Academic session. University of Ibadan is not even yet up to 500k.

Medical students use 6 academic session in school. This means averagely, no student spends up to N5m (including miscellaneous)

Yes, it is true that Medical doctors in Nigeria deserve better pay, but so also does the street sweeper, and every other profession in the country. Everyone deserves better pay for their services.

Do u know how much a street sweeper get paid in developed countries? It is over x30 what they earn here. Exactly the same scenerio. The only difference is that one profession is more skilled and sort after in the globe than the other.
But you must not forget you owe your country for training you.

I don't blame the medics for jumping out of the country, I only blame the govermnt who are irresponsible thieves, thus they don't even have the mouth to say and do what they ought to do.

Not everyone attended public University. Go and check the tuition of private universities.

LegendHero:
E don dey evident say the guy handling the resident doctor twitter account don dey kolotoure.

Nowhere in Naija you go see any doctor train for even 3/10 of this amount yearly.

$21k for this same Naija. Make the handler dey fearr Jah with the liees nao.

Try and send yourself or your kid if you have one and come back to update us when he or she finishes in like seven or eight years, depending on the number of strikes in between

maasoap:
Try and send yourself or your kid if you have one and come back to update us he or she finishes in like seven or eight years, depending on the number of strikes in between

Oga I am sending many of my cousins to school. 3 of them and I know what it entails.

Two of them are in UNIOSUN and that school is very expensive for a public school compared to a federal university.

I don’t know why people must argue any simple thing even those that are naturally non arguable.

How will you say anybody spend $30k per annum on education in Nigeria?

Ayed44:
Not everyone attended public University. Go and check the tuition of private universities.

No private university pay fees associated with school up to $30k in Nigeria in any course.

That’s like 45M naira. Which school pay even 15M per annum?

Lookmun:
What about texts and handouts? Does every student stay in the hostel? What about yearly upkeep?

Are they buying 2million textbook in a year?

maasoap:
Try and send yourself or your kid if you have one and come back to update us when he or she finishes in like seven or eight years, depending on the number of strikes in between

Even redeemer University and convenant University that are the most expensive in nigeria ...no student pays 15million per year..make una dey get sense

LegendHero:
No private university pay fees associated with school up to $30k in Nigeria in any course.

That’s like 45M naira. Which school pay even 15M per annum?

Some of them are either dumb or pretending to be dumb.

LegendHero:
No private university pay fees associated with school up to $30k in Nigeria in any course.

That’s like 45M naira. Which school pay even 15M per annum?

The study was done in 2021 when the naira to dollar rate was about three times lower. I don’t think it’s too much to claim that tuition, rent (which need not always be hostel accommodation), feeding and upkeep, text books as handouts and other expenses would not cross the N1m mark.

In any case, you cannot use your own example or those around you to judge objectively. That’s the purpose of an article that is peer reviewed. So it’s either you refute the work done or produce work done with a superior argument. That’s more credible than a tweet.

Pastor Oyemade hasn't said too much and he's entitled to his own opinion on any natl issues.

Narcists would always attack anyone that doesn't align with their unpatriotic and social mad_ness.

Lookmun:
The study was done in 2021 when the naira to dollar rate was about three times lower. I don’t think it’s too much to claim that tuition, rent (which need not always be hostel accommodation), feeding and upkeep, text books as handouts and other expenses would not cross the N1m mark.

In any case, you cannot use your own example or those around you to judge objectively. That’s the purpose of an article that is peer reviewed. So it’s either you refute the work done or produce work done with a superior argument. That’s more credible than a tweet.

Nope, even if it was done 3 years ago, it is still not right.

You agree inflation increased in Nigeria too right? That means some of the expenses would have increased too like books, accommodation, and etc.

Even 3 years ago, nobody spends $15 - $50k on school fees in Nigeria.

You don’t need to defend every decision blindlly. Give it few more days, the medical union themselves will deny that guy that is managing their account on Twitter for propagating fake news.

LegendHero:
Nope, even if it was done 3 years ago, it is still not right.

You agree inflation increased in Nigeria too right? That means some of the expenses would have increased too like books, accommodation, and etc.

Even 3 years ago, nobody spends $15 - $50k on school fees in Nigeria.

You don’t need to defend every decision blindlly. Give it few more days, the medical union themselves will deny that guy that is managing their account on Twitter for propagating fake news.

I don’t think it’s outrageous because we are actually talking about 2021 so whatever is happening now is not the consideration. The entire money to be spent for the entire training of a medical student from annual rent (eg. Unilag axis) to upkeep to feeding to tuition and every other thing. He quoted a study that was peer reviewed. That’s more credit than a tweet. It’s not fake news by any means.

Lookmun:
I don’t think it’s outrageous because we are actually talking about 2021 so whatever is happening now is not the consideration. The entire money to be spent for the entire training of a medical student from annual rent (eg. Unilag axis) to upkeep to feeding to tuition and every other thing. He quoted a study that was peer reviewed. That’s more credit than a tweet. It’s not fake news by any means.

I don’t understand what you mean by amount to be spent on annual rent. Are medical student renting a different kind of house from the rest of the universities students?

If your argument is that rent contributed to the money to make it up to $25k, then that means all Nigeria university student spend average of $15k on tuition, textbook, and rent.

Does that make sense to you?

LegendHero:
I don’t understand what you mean by amount to be spent on annual rent. Are medical student renting a different kind of house from the rest of the universities students?

If your argument is that rent contributed to the money to make it up to $25k, then that means all Nigeria university student spend average of $15k on tuition, textbook, and rent.

Does that make sense to you?

I have not said this is exclusive to medical students. I have only said that the money that a medical student would need to become a trained doctor doesn’t exclude annual rent. It’s doesn’t exclude feeding. It doesn’t exclude clothing, it doesn’t exclude transportation. It doesn’t exclude data and airtime money. It doesn’t exclude books and handouts. It doesn’t exclude power (fuel money). It’s doesn’t exclude a whole lot of things. And to think that it is unthinkable that all these might not cost N1m in a single year, does that make sense?

LegendHero:
No private university pay fees associated with school up to $30k in Nigeria in any course.

That’s like 45M naira. Which school pay even 15M per annum?

Limit your argument and don't go near private uni medicine.

First year medicine at Babcock this session is N7m

First year medicine Bowen is close to N6m

ppogba:
Limit your argument and don't go near private uni medicine.

First year medicine at Babcock this session is N7m

First year medicine Bowen is close to N6m

So is that close to 15M? So what are we arguing?

Also, when people talk of average, in Nigeria the public schools are the average. Today, Usman Dan Fodiyo university pharmacy students pay N140k per year for fees which mirror medicine to an extent.

So where exactly does any average Nigeria medicine student pay $15k per annum even if it’s a private school?

Lookmun:
I have not said this is exclusive to medical students. I have only said that the money that a medical student would need to become a trained doctor doesn’t exclude annual rent. It’s doesn’t exclude feeding. It doesn’t exclude clothing, it doesn’t exclude transportation. It doesn’t exclude data and airtime money. It doesn’t exclude books and handouts. It doesn’t exclude power (fuel money). It’s doesn’t exclude a whole lot of things. And to think that it is unthinkable that all these might not cost N1m in a single year, does that make sense?

Just as someone studying accounting won’t exclude all those expenses you mentioned. So what are we arguing again?

If a medicine student sold an average of 2M on expenses, then an Engineering student will spend 1.5M on same expenses:

Then we can conclude all Nigerian student spend an average of $15k per annum on tuition and expense.

Is that true using your own logic?

Serve country ko, server ni. If you be doctor, you get unmet responsibilities, and you get opportunity to japa, you go stay?

Porksupplyib:
Note, I am not saying Doctors shouldn't be allowed to leave, but they should serve the country and the people for some years.
Tax payers money paid part of that training.

Lookmun:
No they have a responsibility to speak the truth no matter whose ox is gored. The same way you cannot compare the average amount of rent paid in Lagos to the average amount of rent paid in London, that’s how you cannot possibly compare the amount of tuition paid in medical school between Nigerian and the UK. It’s apples vs oranges.

They have a responsibility to set records straight and this is what they are trying to do. Who doesn’t want the government to invest more in the welfare of the average medical doctor in Nigeria? Who doesn’t want the government to invest more in Medicare in Nigeria? If these things are in place, will we have the politicians engaging in endless medical tourism? And why should they even are about fixed healthcare in Nigeria when they or their family members don’t use Nigerian hospitals for the most part? These are the things NARD is trying to fix and that’s why they are speaking up.

Honestly, the last paragraph of your comment should have been the focus of the press release instead and not what they did.

LegendHero:
Just as someone studying accounting won’t exclude all those expenses you mentioned. So what are we arguing again?

If a medicine student sold an average of 2M on expenses, then an Engineering student will spend 1.5M on same expenses:

Then we can conclude all Nigerian student spend an average of $15k per annum on tuition and expense.

Is that true using your own logic?

That’s fair enough. In other words that’s what it would cost to train a student accountant, lawyer, doctor etc. It would make less sense if we didn’t include these. Just imagine you ask the father of a student doctor how much he spent to raise his child to become a doctor and he tells you that you shouldn’t count rent. That wouldn’t be accurate, I think.

Jamesbiodun:
Nice upper cut

There can't be a better reply

Lookmun:
That’s fair enough. In other words that’s what it would cost to train a student accountant, lawyer, doctor etc. It would make less sense if we didn’t include these. Just imagine you ask the father of a student doctor how much he spent to raise his child to become a doctor and he tells you that you shouldn’t count rent. That wouldn’t be accurate, I think.

He will count rent just as a father that trained an engineer will count rent.

In USA, on average tuition alone for medial student is over $50k. All my friends that are doctors/pharamacists rake up several hundred of thousand of dollars in school loan after they finish.

Mind you rent and other expense is not factored into that $50k.

I will stop this argument coz it’s giving me headache already. Nowhere in Nigeria will any average parent tell you they spend $25k yearly on their medical student.

It still doesn't tally with the statement of Pastor. Also, how does it make our resident doctors ungrateful? Do they even finish as at when due without interference of any sort?

Your point is clear and taken but as a body we must stay clear of making statements that are not fact based, I mean detailed fact else it be taken out of context as we see today.

RSAV:
Up until Year 2010, many FG Universities charged less than 100k for Medicine. You can verify. Law in LASU was 25k up till year 2012 or thereabout. Many doctors who graduated before year 2010 paid less than 500k in tuition fees. That is heavy subsidization by Government.
Presently, private Universities charge as much as 8m for Medicine yet I'm not sure any public Uni chrges 1m for Medicine. Resident doctors should be grateful.

Porksupplyib:
U dey mind Dem. They are liars.

Even if they aren't lying, they just confirmed it that they owe their training and certificate to the Nigerian govermnt. Cus they didn't spend up to 5m to get trained.

If I were in the government shoes, No one leaves, until after serving for 10years minimum.

Slave mentality. Go and hold them now. Every tertiary education on Nigeria is subsidized. If you want doctors to stay pay them like doctors

LegendHero:
He will count rent just as a father that trained an engineer will count rent.

In USA, on average tuition alone for medial student is over $50k. All my friends that are doctors/pharamacists rake up several hundred of thousand of dollars in school loan after they finish.

Mind you rent and other expense is not factored into that $50k.

I will stop this argument coz it’s giving me headache already. Nowhere in Nigeria will any average parent tell you they spend $25k yearly on their medical student.

You are not the only one that has people that studied medicine abroad. I have loads of stories to tell but the limitation of that worldview is that you tend to see things from your worldview. That’s why studies are done and peer reviewed. The point I am making that you keep trying to refute is that it is not ridiculous to claim that a parent would spend upwards of N1m per medical student in a year. You were quick to discredit the association even when they referenced peer reviewed study, citing your own experience. More so you really cannot compare expenses in Lagos and London. It’s apples and oranges.

ChiefOkporghe:
Is your wife in a public or private university?

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Oluwole facts

It is now very clear that your pastors are not angels, they are humans, they can make mistakes, not every thing your pastors say on the altar is actually correct.

This message is for those who idolize their pastors.

Zeebuy:
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Okay. Wishing her the very best.
Thing is, if she is paying that amount, can you now imagine how much the govt is paying as Subsidy to train her compared to her counterparts abroad who would have had to resort to student loans to sort themselves out?

If you want to really know the actual cost (average even) of training a medical doctor, check out Private Universities' costs.

ChiefOkporghe:
Okay. Wishing her the very best.
Thing is, if she is paying that amount, can you now imagine how much the govt is paying as Subsidy to train her compared to her counterparts abroad who would have had to resort to student loans to sort themselves out?

If you want to really know the actual cost (average even) of training a medical doctor, check out Private Universities' costs.

If the equipment and training provided to them is commiserate with those of her western counterparts, most people won't complain. That's the honest truth.
Well, I'm just counting down to her graduation early next year.