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MindHacker9009:
If you want to remain a slave that's fine as the laws you follow today were given to you by your slave maters, but for me I'm free as I follow the true 10 Commandments which are the Laws God gave to the Israel.

So the only laws that were in the Old Testament were the so called 10 commandments?

LordReed:
So the only laws that were in the Old Testament were the so called 10 commandments?

They were the only Laws God gave to Israel in the presences of all the people of Israel, so every other law are subjective based on the period and the events at that time.

MindHacker9009:
They were the only Laws God gave to Israel in the presences of all the people of Israel, so every other law are subjective based on the period and the events at that time.

So you are saying that Exodus 21 the chapter immediately after the so called 10 commandments was not the god's laws that he gave the Israelites?

LordReed:
So you are saying that Exodus 21 the chapter immediately after the so called 10 commandments was not the god's laws that he gave the Israelites?

God that gave the 10 Commandments does not operate in secret, when He gave the 10 Commandments to Moses all the people of Israel saw Him talking to Moses.

22jumpstreet:
Peace..peace..peace.
That is the goal. We are expected to keep it for our own good.
So that we can live in peace. Peace is the goal.

So can we ascertain this achievement in the gathering of the adherents of that old law?

MindHacker9009:
Samson killed Philistines as part of his calling from God to deliver Israel from Philistine oppression. The Philistines were ruling over Israel at the time and Samson was chosen by God to begin freeing his people (Judges 13:5).

Are you saying people should kill those ruling over them?

Maximus692:
Are you saying people should kill those ruling over them?

Is Samson the people. The story of Samson is like the action movies we have today.

MindHacker9009:
Samson killed Philistines as part of his calling from God to deliver Israel from Philistine oppression. The Philistines were ruling over Israel at the time and Samson was chosen by God to begin freeing his people (Judges 13:5).

MindHacker9009:
God that gave the 10 Commandments does not operate in secret, when He gave the 10 Commandments to Moses all the people of Israel saw Him talking to Moses.

I think my question was quite clear but lemme repeat it in case it wasn't. Are you saying Exodus 21 was not part of the laws the god gave the Israelites?

Maximus692:
So can we ascertain this achievement in the gathering of the adherents of that old law?

You don't need to be a member of a cult to keep the laws. I don't need to join any group before I obey by parents,or don't kill or bear false witness. This your idea is warped.

LordReed:
I think my question was quite clear but lemme repeat it in case it wasn't. Are you saying Exodus 21 was not part of the laws the god gave the Israelites?

Exodus 19:16–19 (ESV)
16 On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings and a thick cloud on the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people in the camp trembled.

17 Then Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God, and they took their stand at the foot of the mountain.

18 Now Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke because the Lord had descended on it in fire. The smoke of it went up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain trembled greatly.

19 And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him in thunder.

Exodus 20:18–19 (ESV)
18 Now when all the people saw the thunder and the flashes of lightning and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking, the people were afraid and trembled, and they stood far off

MindHacker9009:
Exodus 19:16–19 (ESV)
16 On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings and a thick cloud on the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people in the camp trembled.

17 Then Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God, and they took their stand at the foot of the mountain.

18 Now Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke because the Lord had descended on it in fire. The smoke of it went up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain trembled greatly.

19 And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him in thunder.

Exodus 20:18–19 (ESV)
18 Now when all the people saw the thunder and the flashes of lightning and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking, the people were afraid and trembled, and they stood far off

Exodus 21 (ESV)
1 Now these are the rules that you shall set before them.

Exodus 22 (ESV)
29 You shall not delay to offer from the fullness of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. The firstborn of your sons you shall give to me. 30 You shall do the same with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its mother; on the eighth day you shall give it to me.
31 You shall be consecrated to me. Therefore you shall not eat any flesh that is torn by beasts in the field; you shall throw it to the dogs.

Again, are you claiming these were not the god giving these laws to the Israelites?

LordReed:
Exodus 21 (ESV)
1 Now these are the rules that you shall set before them.

Exodus 22 (ESV)
29 You shall not delay to offer from the fullness of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. The firstborn of your sons you shall give to me. 30 You shall do the same with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its mother; on the eighth day you shall give it to me.
31 You shall be consecrated to me. Therefore you shall not eat any flesh that is torn by beasts in the field; you shall throw it to the dogs.

Again, are you claiming these were not the god giving these laws to the Israelites?

God gave the 10 Commandments in public view of all the Israelites and not in secret.

MindHacker9009:
God gave the 10 Commandments in public view of all the Israelites and not in secret.

So Exodus 21 was in secret?

LordReed:
So Exodus 21 was in secret?

The Israelites only heard God's voice giving the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1–17).

MindHacker9009:
The Israelites only heard God's voice giving the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1–17).

So Exodus 21 was not from the god?

MindHacker9009:
The Philistines were ruling over Israel at the time.

Maximus692:
Are you saying people should kill those ruling over them?

MindHacker9009:
Is Samson the people. The story of Samson is the action movies we have today.

So Samson killed the philistines because they were ruling over Israel.

My question again:

Should people start killing those ruling over them?

22jumpstreet:
You don't need to be a member of a cult to keep the laws. I don't need to join any group before I obey by parents,or don't kill or bear false witness. This your idea is warped.

Sonmvayina!

God said He will change the old laws for a better one! Jeremiah 31:33

Maximus692:
Sonmvayina!

God said He will change the old laws for a better one! Jeremiah 31:33

Sorry, it removed by comment with my other moniker.

The problem with you lots is that you take a single verse and run away with it and you think you are saying something intelligent or making a valid point but on a close scrutiny, it falls flat.
Why stop at one verse, why not read the surrounding verses to get the proper message.
Let me help you.

31 Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; my covenant which they broke, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

First and foremost the covenant is between Hashem and the Israelites. Not the whole word.
The covenant is still the old one, but this time God will write it in their heart so it becomes effortless to keep and obey. The old one was written on stones and paper, this time it will be written in their heart, no one will go from house to house to knock on people's door like you lot do.
The law will be engraved in their heart.

Stop your deception.

MindHacker9009:
The NT law that says “don’t look at a woman to lust after her” but does not mention the solution to how a man with a functioning manhood can control his desire to put it to action when it gets hard. The NT laws are just there to make their followers to be confused, that’s why those that are preaching the NT laws cannot abide by it themselves.

The Old Testament and it’s Oral traditions are really the Real Testament and not Old at all. It does make provision on how to find a spouse.

Talmud (Oral Law): Rich in Wisdom

Kiddushin 1:1 specifies that a woman is acquired (i.e., to be a wife) in three ways: through money, a contract or sexual intercourse. Ordinarily, all three of these conditions are satisfied, although only one is necessary to effect a binding marriage.

Sotah 2a – “Forty days before the formation of a child, a heavenly voice proclaims: ‘The daughter of so-and-so is for so-and-so.’” This suggests a kind of “soulmate” concept (in Hebrew, bashert), that marriages are divinely influenced.

Kiddushin 41a – “A man should not marry a woman until he has seen her.” This is an early acknowledgment of the importance of personal compatibility and mutual attraction.

Also on divorce:
Finding your bashert doesn’t mean that your marriage will be trouble-free. Marriage, like everything worthwhile in life, requires dedication, effort and energy. Even when two people are meant for each other, it is possible for them to ruin their marriage. That is why Judaism allows divorce if it’s the only solution.

That is why Judaism allows divorce.
This is straight from the Torah:
Deuteronomy 24:1:
“When a man takes a wife and marries her… and she does not find favor in his eyes… he shall write her a bill of divorce (get).”

And in the Talmud:
Gittin 90a – Discusses when and why divorce is permitted, even though it’s not taken lightly.
“Even the altar sheds tears when a man divorces his first wife.”
This shows the pain of divorce, but also acknowledges its necessity.

I see similar threads in our viewpoints. Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 5 warns against lust, but he also offers a path to inner purity through grace and self‑control, not just rules. Historically, our early church fathers balanced moral law with compassion—teaching that vows are sacred, yet offering pastoral care when marriages break.

Laws alone can frustrate us; we need heart change. That’s where spiritual formation—prayer, community, wise counsel—helps us manage desires and build healthy relationships. The Old Testament’s spouse‑finding guidelines and Talmudic insights into timing and compatibility echo our modern need for communication and mutual respect. And when divorce sadly becomes necessary, it’s a grief‑filled process, but one that reflects God’s character: justice, mercy, and hope for restoration.

sonmvayina:
Sorry, it removed by comment with my other moniker.

The problem with you lots is that you take a single verse and run away with it and you think you are saying something intelligent or making a valid point but on a close scrutiny, it falls flat.
Why stop at one verse, why not read the surrounding verses to get the proper message.
Let me help you.

31 Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; my covenant which they broke, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

First and foremost the covenant is between Hashem and the Israelites. Not the whole word.
The covenant is still the old one, but this time God will write it in their heart so it becomes effortless to keep and obey. The old one was written on stones and paper, this time it will be written in their heart, no one will go from house to house to knock on people's door like you lot do.
The law will be engraved in their heart.

Stop your deception.

Did God promise another covenant?

Maximus692:
Did God promise another covenant?

But he also explains what he meant.....which is in line with what I stated.

It does not involve a human sacrifice or animal sacrifice for that matter.


Just his laws which is forever, he would write In their heart.

Learn, unlearn and relearn.

sonmvayina:
But he also explains what he meant.....which is in line with what I stated. It does not involve a human sacrifice or animal sacrifice for that matter. Just his laws which is forever, he would write In their heart.
Learn, unlearn and relearn.

You are dodging the simple question!

Did God promise another covenant?

YES or NO!

Maximus692:
You are dodging the simple question!

Did God promise another covenant?

YES or NO!

Yes, he did.

So answer mine, what was the new covenant ?

sonmvayina:
Yes, he did.
So answer mine, what was the new covenant ?

The answer is found in the rest of Isaiah's writing:

Those given that old covenant broke it that's why they can't live in harmony along with that covenant but this new one will be written in the hearts of the adherents so they will live together peacefully just as it's befitting for people who has laws written in their hearts! Isaiah 2:2-4

That is exactly what Jesus came to work out in the midst of imperfect humans and it's at work now in the gathering of true believers globally just as Isaiah and Micah prophesied, these people from different nations are living in peace and God began calling them by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

You can't find any organized people who are living in harmony with that first covenant because it has been replaced but as for the second covenant look at JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! John 17:22

Maximus692:
So Samson killed the philistines because they were ruling over Israel.

My question again:

Should people start killing those ruling over them?

Samson is not the people. The story of Samson is like the actions movies today.

1. Divine Mission
Samson was chosen before birth to be a Nazirite, set apart to serve God. According to the Bible (Judges 13–16), his purpose was to "begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines" (Judges 13:5). The Philistines were oppressing the Israelites, and Samson's actions were part of God's plan to weaken their power.

2. Personal Revenge
Samson's conflict with the Philistines was also deeply personal:

Marriage betrayal: He married a Philistine woman who betrayed him by revealing the answer to his riddle. In response, he killed 30 Philistines to settle a bet (Judges 14:19).

Burning of crops: After his wife was given to another man, Samson burned the Philistines' fields, and in retaliation, they burned his wife and her father (Judges 15:6).

Vengeance for his wife: Enraged, Samson struck back and "struck them hip and thigh with a great slaughter" (Judges 15:.

Final act of revenge: After being captured, blinded, and humiliated, Samson prayed for strength one last time and pulled down the pillars of a Philistine temple, killing himself and thousands of Philistines (Judges 16:30).

MindHacker9009:
Samson is not the people. The story of Samson is like the actions movies today.

MindHacker9009:
The Egyptian laws weren’t built to protect none Egyptians.

This is what you said initially so were the laws of Israel built to protect none Israelite?
If so why is Samson killing philistines when the laws of God says you must not kill?

I COME TO FULFILL THE LAW NOT TO DESTROY IT.
HERE'S A PARAPHRASE PRECIS OF THE LAW,
"LOVE YOURSELVES AS YOURSELVES".
I AM FOR THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES., ie I AM FOR THE WHOLE WORLD.
HAPPY RESURRECTION !!!

POPE FRANCIS IS WITH ME IN PARADISE

Maximus692:
This is what you said initially so were the laws of Israel built to protect none Israelite?
If so why is Samson killing philistines when the laws of God says you must not kill?

How about this two gullible couples in your New Testament when the laws of God says you must not kill:
Why did Peter a direct disciple of Jesus Christ not forgive Ananias and Sapphira who were trying to follow Jesus Christ when they did not kill anyone and it's their own land they sold? But same Peter lied three times that he did not know Jesus Christ.

Acts 5:1-11
Peter, Ananias and Sapphira
5 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property.
2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.
6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.
7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?”
“Yes,” she said, “that is the price.”
9 Peter said to her, “How could you conspire to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.”
10 At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband.
11 Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.

MindHacker9009:
How about this two gullible couples in your New Testament when the laws of God says you must not kill:
Why did Peter a direct disciple of Jesus Christ not forgive Ananias and Sapphira who were trying to follow Jesus Christ when they did not killed anyone and it's their own land they sold? But same Peter lied three times that he did not know Jesus Christ.

God himself killed them for lying not Peter so he has no say when it comes to forgiving the couples.
Stop deceiving yourself when people gather they set rules binding on all those living in that territory that's exactly what God gave the Israelites back then but it's not rules binding on people in other lands. God promised a New covenant that will cut across boundaries for people who may love to worship Him in other lands.

Maximus692:
The answer is found in the rest of Isaiah's writing:

Those given that old covenant broke it that's why they can't live in harmony along with that covenant but this new one will be written in the hearts of the adherents so they will live together peacefully just as it's befitting for people who has laws written in their hearts! Isaiah 2:2-4

That is exactly what Jesus came to work out in the midst of imperfect humans and it's at work now in the gathering of true believers globally just as Isaiah and Micah prophesied, these people from different nations are living in peace and God began calling them by another group name:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

You can't find any organized people who are living in harmony with that first covenant because it has been replaced but as for the second covenant look at JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! John 17:22

Continue lying ....

You will surely be found out. You still have your Muslim attitude with you. Something that is so glaring, you are twisting and turning like a headless chicken.
He would write his laws in their heart....same law, but will be written in their heart...so that it becomes effortless to obey....

Continue lying..