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DissTroy:
LOL. Mad man.

I had to trace back several clicks to the original post. #200,000 to #350,000 monthly for React and Angular is paltry. But you'd be surprised there are people who'd do it for that amount.

Learning a skill is one thing. Putting a premium on your skill is another thing, and offering a whole galaxy or satellite of services/skills to boost it. Same way there are doctors accepting #200,000 as salaries in Nigeria after 8 years combined of tertiary education. It doesn't make them less skilled than those paid $20,000 monthly.

For example, most state government websites are built on WP and only partly custom-coded in CSS.. But I know a least two firms charging no less than #7 million for just maintenance. Not to build it but to maintain it which is just security scans and software updates like twice a month.

I also use to know someone who could code in no less than 8 programming languages before I could write an HTML code. And within two years, I had made more from coding than him.

There are people (mostly students) who'd take up the offer, paltry as it seems. It mostly depends on the premium you place on your skills and opportunities you explore.

nihilistjnr:
There's a reason why Ngige and FG tried to implement laws to stop doctors from leaving, and it's because no halfway doctor is collecting 200k salary in monopoly money especially when there's a global skill shortage.

Any doctor staying put on a 200k salary is most likely an organ harvester in disguise. To put it in context, a decent developer working remotely for £500 a month is more than a bargain for a remote employer in the UK where minimum wage is £1960 monthly, and that's literally only going to get you cleaners and McDonald's workers in the UK

Yet that £500 is 1 million naira. A developer that can't find wages 4 times less than a UK cleaner is trash. A developer that is earning almost 200k salary is scamming somebody.

Unless you're a Lords Chosen and have the latest bulletproof vest, I strongly advise that you don't go to that 200k doctor, probably advertising his services on the 200k coders website. It's a setup

izzou:
[color=royalblue]EFCC suppose pick you up.

You call our naira "Tissue paper" yesterday

Today, na "Monopoly money"

WTF bro? [/color]

nihilistjnr:
There's a reason why Ngige and FG tried to implement laws to stop doctors from leaving, and it's because no halfway doctor is collecting 200k salary in monopoly money especially when there's a global skill shortage.

Any doctor staying put on a 200k salary is most likely an organ harvester in disguise. To put it in context, a decent developer working remotely for £500 a month is more than a bargain for a remote employer in the UK where minimum wage is £1960 monthly, and that's literally only going to get you cleaners and McDonald's workers in the UK

Yet that £500 is 1 million naira. A developer that can't find wages 4 times less than a UK cleaner is trash. A developer that is earning almost 200k salary is scamming somebody.

Unless you're a Lords Chosen and have the latest bulletproof vest, I strongly advise that you don't go to that 200k doctor, probably advertising his services on the 200k coders website. It's a setup

izzou:
[color=royalblue] Someone quoted me and got banned.

Kpele.[/color]

nihilistjnr:
There's a reason why Ngige and FG tried to implement laws to stop doctors from leaving, and it's because no halfway doctor is collecting 200k salary in monopoly money especially when there's a global skill shortage.

Any doctor staying put on a 200k salary is most likely an organ harvester in disguise. To put it in context, a decent developer working remotely for £500 a month is more than a bargain for a remote employer in the UK where minimum wage is £1960 monthly, and that's literally only going to get you cleaners and McDonald's workers in the UK

Yet that £500 is 1 million naira. A developer that can't find wages 4 times less than a UK cleaner is trash. A developer that is earning almost 200k salary is scamming somebody.

Unless you're a Lords Chosen and have the latest bulletproof vest, I strongly advise that you don't go to that 200k doctor, probably advertising his services on the 200k coders website. It's a setup

Ibime:
Dey play

Japa is for the young

There are 50+ year old Doctors in Naija accepting N200k. The ship has sailed for them as far as japa

I was shocked when we organised almost full time nursing care for my grandmother with Doctor dropping by once a week to supervise and take vitals for N70k per month. This was in 2022

From that N70k, he would pay the nurse N40k full time salary and collect N30k for oversight. The nurse goes to my grandmas house everyday for like 10 hours

Ibime:
Dey play

Japa is for the young

There are 50+ year old Doctors in Naija accepting N200k. The ship has sailed for them as far as japa

I was shocked when we organised almost full time nursing care for my grandmother with Doctor dropping by once a week to supervise and take vitals for N70k per month. This was in 2022

From that N70k, he would pay the nurse N40k full time salary and collect N30k for oversight. The nurse goes to my grandmas house everyday for like 10 hours

My son has been giving me problems for over 10 years- Father of K+dnapping Culprit laments as Edo Government Demolishes his Mansion. pic.twitter.com/brg6YEz9Z2

— Instablog9ja (@instablog9ja) May 1, 2025

BlueRayDick:
I think this idea of demolishing properties linked to people who perpetrated crimes like kidnapping, robbery, etc needs to be abloihsed by state governors.

I saw a video of Edo state government demolishing the house of a man. The man who owned the house while being interviewed by the press men said his son actually killed a woman. The son is a 28 year old man who lives in a boys quarter in the man's house.

After the man heard the news of his son killing a woman, he went to the police station to report the crime. The police evacuated the corpse and detained the man. The son who perpetuated the crime was later caught and the father released.

Now the Edo state government went ahead to demolish the house which the man claimed he built with his house. Now the father and his 4 other children are homeless despite the fact that the police now have the culprit in custody.

In what world is it fair to rid the father his property because of the crime his son committed? The man claimed he had taken the son to rehab severally because the son has always been problematic to him.

monerozi5590:
Nigeria police no d follow law. Substitutional arrest is illegal and is against the law. You can't arrest a father for a crime committed by his son just because the son cannot be found.

Nigeria police too mumu abeg. I pray that man get justice. They should not only build the house they destroyed, they should pay for other damages too.

This reminds me of what Oyedepo said " If pikin no turn out well ( into crime, drugs and all) na d parents d feel the most pain"

airmark:
Oasis, i just saw Lere Olayinka on Arise tv. He owned Rufai Oseni and Momodu, and Wike would be proud of him.

PDP is dead, where's that PDPguy to do the funeral rites?

Ibime:
Dey play

Japa is for the young

There are 50+ year old Doctors in Naija accepting N200k. The ship has sailed for them as far as japa

I was shocked when we organised almost full time nursing care for my grandmother with Doctor dropping by once a week to supervise and take vitals for N70k per month. This was in 2022

From that N70k, he would pay the nurse N40k full time salary and collect N30k for oversight. The nurse goes to my grandmas house everyday for like 10 hours

swiz123:
Always knew you are very heartless. Paying a human being 40k for a 10hours per day job is nothing short of draconian wickedness.

swiz123:
Always knew you are very heartless. Paying a human being 40k for a 10hours per day job is nothing short of draconian wickedness.

Ibime:


No be me negotiate the deal. Na Doctor come quote him price

Ibime:


No be me negotiate the deal. Na Doctor come quote him price

iamoyindamola:
Fear no catch you if he be quack

DissTroy:
Let me give you a reality check. There are so many Port Harcourt residents here so they can confirm what I am about to type next.

Beginning from the Eleme axis of the PH -Aba road, drive through and check out adjoining roads from MTN to Rumuokurushi to Rumuola to Garrison, D-Line all the way to Diobu.

You'd find private hospitals in these areas. Ask them to find out the salaries of medical doctors if many aren't within the #350,000 or less bracket.

KingTom is a medical doctor, no? He might not agree to demarket/devalue his colleagues publicly but if he is up to it or in private, he'd certainly let you in on the reality.

Without revealing too much, I have seen salary sheets. Some for private hospitals preferred by Mobil, NDDC and the likes.

Do you realize there are #3,000 graphic designers and those charging #50,000 to #70,000 for a design? In the same city.

Do you realize there are people charging #5,000 per article and people charging $50 to $100 for a >1,400 word article? In the same city.

Do you realize there are people on Nairaland offering to build websites for peanuts in the Programming Section (they create threads), and there are those who would curse you out if you offer then #700,000 for a website even if you buy the domain and web hosting and provide the UI/UX yourself?

It's about placing a premium on your skills, learning people skills to market it, and exploring opportunities constantly.

nihilistjnr:
I'm not so sure about this.

I mean Russia has been showing a LOT of restraint in this war, primarily because they're trying to colonise Ukraine, not level it. That's why we're hearing reports of missile strikes with only 5-10 people reported dead, and why the Ukrainians still have electricity anf Internet.

In one of my rolese which ended las month, I worked with an offshore software engineering team entirely based in Ukraine, from tech lead to developers to testers, and them dey dey online all the time. They just all have guns in the corner. Stand ups dey funny die

I think it's an entirely different conversation if Russia was trying to annihilate the Ukrainians, and extrapolating from this, a different conversation if US was trying to destroy Russia or vice versa

nihilistjnr:
My job involves delivering tech solutions for clients at scale and more importantly for cheap. In my line of work, I have worked with developers in Poland, Bulgaria, Vietnam, India, Ukraine amongst other places.

This is a quote from 2022 talking about working with developers in an active warzone


Business is driven primarily by 3 core objectives - increase revenue, increase profitability, reduce risk

If global businesses are willing to continue using developers in an active conflict zone, it shows alignment with the directive to increase profitability by hiring cheap talent.

Any developer staying on 200k in tampon wrappers is trash. Software engineering is far more than writing code. The architectural element of solution development (which is what I do) and the ability to understand and think about the execution of core engineering principles is far more important than being able to write hello world in c#.

The decent talent in your part of the world is constantly being scooped up as western businesses continually look for cheaper equivalent talent.

An experienced developer(as per that job ad) on N200k is TRASH. it's not about marketing their skills or anything like that. They take such jobs because they know they don't deserve better, because trust me, there are so many businesses looking to hire talent on 20 times that amount and still feel like they're cheating the talent.

Ibime:
Dey play

Japa is for the young

There are 50+ year old Doctors in Naija accepting N200k. The ship has sailed for them as far as japa

I was shocked when we organised almost full time nursing care for my grandmother with Doctor dropping by once a week to supervise and take vitals for N70k per month. This was in 2022

From that N70k, he would pay the nurse N40k full time salary and collect N30k for oversight. The nurse goes to my grandmas house everyday for like 10 hours

GloriousGbola:
the other part of the question is an issue you see a lot in Nigeria

there is always someone who is ready to undercut you and charge less, and there is always someone who wants to engage him
most of the standards you are referring to are what the average nigerian client will refer to as unnecessary english

quite literally i had a fight with a client in nnpc who was trying to lowball us on design costs. was telling me he had someone who would do the work at a 1/4 of what he was offering me

well project has start and i can see what the 1/4 price lowball design is. take over site and we are already having calls from contractors to inform of variations

but this is what your average nigerian wants - very very cheap work, and with no one to vet - you just get garbage

DissTroy:
Now someone who gets the reality on ground.

Some years ago, a certain Ukraine-trained medical doctor was willing to accept even #130,000 as starting salary. Yes, you counted the zeros correctly.

He's an Ogoni guy. About 40 years old then with a wife and kid from the CV he submitted.
And this wasn't a random hospital. It was a top specialist hospital in PH City preferred by oil companies,NNPC, NDDC, and top HMOs.
No opening yet but dude begged to be kept informed.

One of the doctors was being paid less than #200,000 as basic salary but he was also part of surgeries. UniPort graduate. Medical bills by the oil companies alone for their staff was in millions monthly.

Meanwhile, there was a physiotherapist in the same organisation earning almost the same as the doctor with other pecks.


The amount you're paid isn't directly proportional to your professional competence.

iamoyindamola:
Fear no catch you if he be quack

Ibime:
No be me meet am or negotiate am. So far so good, my grandma clocked 102 years old two weeks ago under their care. We are even wishing the Lord will come and take her cos the quality of life no good at that age, but she no gree Japa.

nihilistjnr:


We're in completely different galaxies.

Brah the best generally don't hang around for long earning the same as the average and the mediocre.

This holds true everywhere. Even right there in Nigeria

DissTroy:
No, the best don't always know they are the best and/or aren't willing to jettison what they are comfortable with to risk the uncertain.

Labour laws everywhere require that you at least adhere to the minimum wage. That's the most demand. Since there's no standard software engineering or web developer salary, employers would exploit.

Heck! As at last year, GitHub which most websites, apps and softwares depend on owned by Microsoft had almost all their software engineering team (100 of them) based in India and they paid them less than the standard.

Right on Fiverr or Upwork, there's an Indian or Bangladeshi guy offering to build you a web app for a ridiculous amount of money. Login to see. And these guys put up their portfolios to view publicly.

Asides those in Big Tech Companies, there's no standard salary for software or web developers, even in the U. S.

Your software development skill is just like carpentry or pipe fitting or even neurosurgery - if you don't bargain well or explore better opportunities while at it, that's it.

I won't take peanuts because I place a premium on what I do. You won't do it for the same reason. Other people here won't do it, maybe. But it doesn't mean we are necessarily better skilled than those who take up the jobs.


How come the Nigerian doctor paid #300,000 in the Nigeria migrates and fits in well with the U.K. system, treating and operating like he should and earning £15,000 to £22,000 monthly if, according to you, accepting the #300,000 hitherto made him a quack?

Techies are a luckier because they have the option of working remotely and earning forex, but it doesn't mean Yakubu the furniture maker at Idi-Iroko isn't as competent as McPherson the furniture maker at Carnaby Street.

DissTroy:
No, the best don't always know they are the best and/or aren't willing to jettison what they are comfortable with to risk the uncertain.

Labour laws everywhere require that you at least adhere to the minimum wage. That's the most demand. Since there's no standard software engineering or web developer salary, employers would exploit.

Heck! As at last year, GitHub which most websites, apps and softwares depend on owned by Microsoft had almost all their software engineering team (100 of them) based in India and they paid them less than the standard.

Right on Fiverr or Upwork, there's an Indian or Bangladeshi guy offering to build you a web app for a ridiculous amount of money. Login to see. And these guys put up their portfolios to view publicly.

Asides those in Big Tech Companies, there's no standard salary for software or web developers, even in the U. S.

Your software development skill is just like carpentry or pipe fitting or even neurosurgery - if you don't bargain well or explore better opportunities while at it, that's it.

I won't take peanuts because I place a premium on what I do. You won't do it for the same reason. Other people here won't do it, maybe. But it doesn't mean we are necessarily better skilled than those who take up the jobs.


How come the Nigerian doctor paid #300,000 in the Nigeria migrates and fits in well with the U.K. system, treating and operating like he should and earning £15,000 to £22,000 monthly if, according to you, accepting the #300,000 hitherto made him a quack?

Techies are a luckier because they have the option of working remotely and earning forex, but it doesn't mean Yakubu the furniture maker at Idi-Iroko isn't as competent as McPherson the furniture maker at Carnaby Street.