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iamoyindamola:
Those Indians I avoid them on upwork, I think they are intermediary between the client and the freelancer because their offers are crazy and ridiculous
You will be seeing $5 per job while upwork will still remove their commission

DissTroy:
How come the Nigerian doctor paid #300,000 in the Nigeria migrates and fits in well with the U.K. system, treating and operating like he should and earning £15,000 to £22,000 monthly

DissTroy:
Tech Canal ran a story on Motunrayo two months ago, a 300 Level cerebral Unilag engineering student with patents and inventions. https://techcabal.com/2025/03/12/unilag-motunrayo-sanyaolu-engineering

It's easy to get lost in your admiration for her feats to not notice she mentioned earning #50,000 monthly salary on the side to support her inventions. I've been keenly following her since then and I hope she's gotten better pay.

Pray tell, how many of us on this thread who earn multiple times what she earns have patents and inventions?

According to Nihilistjnr she's a quack.

But I am acquainted with 200 Level students earning #600,000 basic monthly salaries while doing gigs on the side in the city I mostly reside in. No less than #1 million monthly.

Are they beter-skilled than Motunrayo based simply on the pay gap.

diggz:
Sorry, where did you find this UK monthly salary figure?

DissTroy:
Estimates as always on salary grading websites, Quora and Reddit posts... That's not the salary cap, of course.

nihilistjnr:
Brah if your rebuttal is based on 300l full time student then I honestly don't know what to tell you. I don't know what you earn, maybe you earn more, maybe you earn less than that amount, that's really not my concern

However if there's anything you should take from my submission, it's that whatever you're earning now, if you're at a baseline level of competency, there is someone looking to offer you more, because the recruiting trend for knowledge workers and white collar talent is to shop around in your part of the world for the very best because they are cheaper than what we pay here.

Over here, immigration is such a big threat and big deal that all kinds of nationalist movements are sweeping to power to try and stop big business from switching to only recruiting foreign talent and services. The most powerful country in the history of mankind is currently in the middle of a trade war that it initiated with its protectionist policies.

Big business is aggressively looking for cheap (by western standards) talent. If you have any type of real talent as a software engineer, you will not be collecting monthly salary of 200k in used condom wrappers. And if you are, not for very long

DissTroy:
LOL. Mad man.

I had to trace back several clicks to the original post. #200,000 to #350,000 monthly for React and Angular is paltry. But you'd be surprised there are people who'd do it for that amount.

Learning a skill is one thing. Putting a premium on your skill is another thing, and offering a whole galaxy or satellite of services/skills to boost it. Same way there are doctors accepting #200,000 as salaries in Nigeria after 8 years combined of tertiary education. It doesn't make them less skilled than those paid $20,000 monthly.

For example, most state government websites are built on WP and only partly custom-coded in CSS.. But I know a least two firms charging no less than #7 million for just maintenance. Not to build it but to maintain it which is just security scans and software updates like twice a month.

I also use to know someone who could code in no less than 8 programming languages before I could write an HTML code. And within two years, I had made more from coding than him.

There are people (mostly students) who'd take up the offer, paltry as it seems. It mostly depends on the premium you place on your skills and opportunities you explore.

diggz:
And do these sites specify the level (junior or senior) or specialties of the doctors earning the amount you mentioned earlier?

By the way, what do you mean by 'that’s not the salary cap'? Are you saying they even earn more than £25k per month?

OasisX:


.......Natasha sweetly garnished then berbecured. All the lies exposed but it Auntie Oby?! Hmmmmm.



Link

DissTroy:
Diggz, you can find the answers to these things online. There are doctors who earn less like this doctor: https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1X63vHeHAz/ .

The point is, there are competent people who take up jobs with salaries you'd consider basic.

diggz:
Thanks! I already have the figures, and I’m certain that the monthly figure you quoted for over 90% of UK doctors is incorrect (Ibime abeg correct me if I’m wrong!). The highest earners should be around £130k a year, and those are consultants. Their monthly pay doesn’t even reach £10k after tax. That said, I believe some consultants can earn as much as the amount you mentioned, or even more, depending on their specialty and experience. However, they would likely get the rest through extra earnings from private practice, etc.

Abeg be careful about throwing around numbers here next time. Anyway, I believe this is Ibime's field; he may be in the best position to clarify their earnings.

diggz:
Thanks! I already have the figures, and I’m certain that the monthly figure you quoted for over 90% of UK doctors is incorrect (Ibime abeg correct me if I’m wrong!). The highest earners should be around £130k a year, and those are consultants. Their monthly pay doesn’t even reach £10k after tax. That said, I believe some consultants can earn as much as the amount you mentioned, or even more, depending on their specialty and experience. However, they would likely get the rest through extra earnings from private practice, etc.

diggz:
Theflint no go dey happy.

Meanwhile, dem suppose use her as example so that other girls go think trice before dem make fake allegations.

OasisX:


.......auntie don go wipe the chat. LOL!

DissTroy:
My first response on this thread was "there are people (students mostly) who would jump at the offer.




Even at that, I went further to analogize and exemplify stating there are regular people who would take the #200,000 to #350,000 developer job in Nigeria.

And no, unlike other niches, digital tech is standardized. Nextjs or HTML5 in Nigeria is the same in the U.K. If you build a React AI wrapper in Nigeria, it's the same in the U.S.

The techies here only need to scale interviews to get entrenched in the remote role of the U. K. or U.S. company, no? No further certification or requirements. Same for the UX guy in Nigeria.


You grossly underestimate how people undervalue their work. There are gigs I'd curse you for if you offer a certain pay which I've seen others be thankful to have.

You want to see links and reports in the mainstream media of Master's degree holders doing bare minimum jobs for peanuts in Korea, China, Japan and Eastern European countries?

Wasn't it in this same country Ph.D holders applied for Dangote driving jobs?

Isn't it the same country where judges and bankers resign to go be security men and caregivers aka maids in Canada and the U.K?

Not everyone places a premium on their skills. For some it's not exploring opportunities and focusing entirely on immediate survival.

diggz:
The lady say all the convo with her dey recorded so that should count for something

swiz123:
Always knew you are very heartless. Paying a human being 40k for a 10hours per day job is nothing short of draconian wickedness.

OasisX:


.....absolutely nothing. I genuinely sympathetize with my dear Brother, reccy and Theflint1. LOL!

OasisX:


.....absolutely nothing. I genuinely sympathetize with my dear Brother, reccy and Theflint1. LOL!


Àṣírí tu - click and enjoy!

Theflint1:
She should have simply released the conversation, and put things to bed...hopefully it isn't an AI-doctored conversation sha.

My sincere desire is we get to the truth of things, both parties remain innocent until proven guilty.

Theflint1:
These things are quite easy to doctor sha, so who knows. All evidence should be throughly examined.

OasisX:


.......auntie don go wipe the chat. LOL!

GloriousGbola:
There is a window within which you can delete a message. This honestly looks like all those message manipulation games

nihilistjnr:
Bro im telling you that Im telling you that the drive for cheap tech talent is so serious that busineses are taking several aggresive steps to look for talent elsewhere.

I'm currently running a proof of concept for a client to see of we can even move to entirely ai development teams

Right now I'm working with a budget of about $1200 on API credit accross anthropic, openAI, deepseek, and Gemini, and $300 a month to for premium chatbot access to Chatgpt and Claude.

In the last week I've setup a 8 agent team, with team lead, product owner, 1 back end, 2 front end, 1 ML engineer, 1 security lead, and a comms engineer. All executing using the cline plugin of Vscode to deliver to prompts calling the different apis I described earlier

These agents under my supervision have come up with comprehensive and i mean comprehensive solution design with clearly defined architectural principles that they are all aligning to. They have created an emailing system through which they communicate with each other and broken down the work into tickets following a clearly defined guidelines, which are then assigned to the team members by the product owner agent to complete in sprints.
These ai agents are submitting their work and evidence unit/smoke tests for code review to the team lead agent

I haven't written a lick of code since 2006 or 2007

So far so good looks incredibly promising, but I'm waiting to see what the final product looks like before I can actually draft the business case to my client.

This is why I'm telling you that any software engineer worth their salt isn't collecting N200k as a salary. Firstly you will know your worth, your skill and have a ranking of your abilities relative to the job market, and it's based on that you will accept 200k in used sanitary pads. Secondly the demand for cheap by western standards is so huge bruv. I remember when I went to Wroclaw in Poland for a few months to go and sit with a cheap af dev team that couldn't speak English in about 2018, now the Polish economy has advanced so much to the point where offshoring to Poland is not really an option anymore, and infact, some Polish companies are offshoring to England to take advantage of the Japa wave from Nigeria and England.

This is why my current client now looking to AI as a lot of the usual source countries are getting far less cheaper. Nigeria is already a key target location in the recruitment drive.

If as a developer in Nigeria, you cant earn more than 200k a month, you're not good enough. Get your skill up nigga cos you're TRASH.

DissTroy:
I agree. Then that's me who scouts LinkedIn and X regularly seeking these opportunitiess. That's me who's learnt to develop people skills so I know how to write that cold mail or cold DM without coming off as desperate. That's me and others who are on the lookout to connect and know how to navigate the seeming random interactions in the nested comment sections of X posts to better our chances.

The range was #200,000 to #350,000 as posted by Amoto, no? The candidates would scale interviews, no? ScaThey'd take it. The many fintechs springing up in Lagos and Abuja are offering those pays too, and higher. The requirements are still the same you'd reqyure for the roles you hire for.

Then there are those who'd turn down the $1,200 montly pay you are offering because they know building a WP web app/website with a bit of SEO optimisation would get them that amout in 10 days or less.

I thoroughly explained how competence and pay aren't always diectly proportional. People would undercut you if they can get away with it. As long as you are useful, employers are willing to pay you #1000 if they can get away with it. Same hing they do under the guise of internship for higher roles but the requirements are for those of intermediate level developers.

It's up to you to say you deserve more or take the roles then immediately start sourcing for better opportunities. Most developers earning well were nderpaid at first until they actively sourced better payment models.

Erm, it's not just your client - across startups there have been massive downsizing but people are still getting recruited. Since 2022 or so. It's why in my initial response to Diggz yesterday morning, I mentioned boosting with "galaxy pr satellite of skills/services". A frontend guy who understands basic level SEO and/or UX stands a higher chance so he needs no supervision.