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When I code, I don't use AI and I don't even use code completion, this post is about why not.Let's begin with AI. The reason why I don't use AI, besides from what I will explain in a moment about code completion, is because I have yet to see useful results beyond what is comparable to ripping of code snippets from Stack Overflow. Yes, AI can certainly produce much code, more that snippets, but what it produces is ripped off snippets of code from here and there. Often the code doesn't work or it contains security problems.


AI is hyped up to be something it isn't and it's "stupidity" (you can't really call it stupid, because it cannot be smart to begin with) is concealed behind what appears to be solid and authoritative answers. Still it knows absolutely crap about what it is doing.I am not saying that it's not useful at all. If what you're doing to begin with is copy/pasting code from Stack Overflow or elsewhere, then sure, because Google and other search engines have become so bad, AI can often provide you with relevant answers much faster than you shifting through page after page of useless Google Junk. But then you will reap what you sow.


Whenever you get a code snippet from an AI, try to search the Internet for that piece of code, you will fairly quickly discover where it was ripped off from and why it's generally a bad idea to use such code.But even if AI truly did produce really good code, I would not use it for the same reason that I don't use code completion.



Back in the days, before the mobile phone was widely used, and even a short while after that, we used to have personal phone books. This could be a small notebook, or even a simple piece of paper. On that we would put all the important phone numbers of family, friends, co-workers, etc.When we needed to call someone, and they had a new phone number, we looked it up in the book, then punched in the numbers and called the person. When we had done that a couple of times, the number stuck and we no longer needed to look.

Now, with modern phones and their build in phone books, it's so easy to call people without typing in their phone number that we just don't bother anymore. The result is that we cannot even remember the numbers of our parents or children.Code completion works the same way. It's convenient and it saves you time, just like the build in phone book, but it makes you less proficient at coding.



When you code without AI and without code completion you eventually remember much by heart and you become good at looking things up directly in the relevant documentation, and this is really important.



don't assume that I am saying that you should never use tools that will help you get the job done, that's not what I am saying. Using a calculator to do math is often easier and faster than doing the all the calculations manually, and that can be really helpful. But simply punching in the numbers without understanding the math will never make you a good mathematician.

Kaczynski:
When I code, I don't use AI and I don't even use code completion, this post is about why not.Let's begin with AI. The reason why I don't use AI, besides from what I will explain in a moment about code completion, is because I have yet to see useful results beyond what is comparable to ripping of code snippets from Stack Overflow. Yes, AI can certainly produce much code, more that snippets, but what it produces is ripped off snippets of code from here and there. Often the code doesn't work or it contains security problems.


AI is hyped up to be something it isn't and it's "stupidity" (you can't really call it stupid, because it cannot be smart to begin with) is concealed behind what appears to be solid and authoritative answers. Still it knows absolutely crap about what it is doing.I am not saying that it's not useful at all. If what you're doing to begin with is copy/pasting code from Stack Overflow or elsewhere, then sure, because Google and other search engines have become so bad, AI can often provide you with relevant answers much faster than you shifting through page after page of useless Google Junk. But then you will reap what you sow.


Whenever you get a code snippet from an AI, try to search the Internet for that piece of code, you will fairly quickly discover where it was ripped off from and why it's generally a bad idea to use such code.But even if AI truly did produce really good code, I would not use it for the same reason that I don't use code completion.



Back in the days, before the mobile phone was widely used, and even a short while after that, we used to have personal phone books. This could be a small notebook, or even a simple piece of paper. On that we would put all the important phone numbers of family, friends, co-workers, etc.When we needed to call someone, and they had a new phone number, we looked it up in the book, then punched in the numbers and called the person. When we had done that a couple of times, the number stuck and we no longer needed to look.

Now, with modern phones and their build in phone books, it's so easy to call people without typing in their phone number that we just don't bother anymore. The result is that we cannot even remember the numbers of our parents or children.Code completion works the same way. It's convenient and it saves you time, just like the build in phone book, but it makes you less proficient at coding.



When you code without AI and without code completion you eventually remember much by heart and you become good at looking things up directly in the relevant documentation, and this is really important.



don't assume that I am saying that you should never use tools that will help you get the job done, that's not what I am saying. Using a calculator to do math is often easier and faster than doing the all the calculations manually, and that can be really helpful. But simply punching in the numbers without understanding the math will never make you a good mathematician.

Grow up please

Even from your last statement, tell me one good mathematician that doesn't make use of calculator.

Everybody want to drop opinion. And who told you that AI stem it's codebase from stackoverflow?

donsheddy1:
Everybody want to drop opinion. And who told you that AI stem it's codebase from stackoverflow?

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where does the glorified chat bot gets it's data from?? from juju abi

EasternActivist:
Grow up please

Even from your last statement, tell me one good mathematician that doesn't make use of calculator.

typical brain rot dev

Then you are still writing "hello world" applications.

MindHacker9009:
Then you are still writing "hello world" applications.

dey play

OP, you wan wound for nothing. These are tools fam! Tools! Accountants used to use paper and calculator, today the worst accountant uses spreadsheet, most use accounting software. In the "olden days" we used to go queue at Nitel to make international calls, WhatsApp obliterated that foolishness. I was like you years ago. We used to write code in notepad or nano/vim. I held my ground that I will NEVER use IDEs. Body tell me. You go write tire. Still waste nonsense time looking for missing semicolon or missing # or // for comment. Get on the train bruv. Speed up your productivity. Leverage these new tools. I'm not saying you should rely 100% on AI, but c'mon fam, would you rather use your fingernail (or table knife) to undo a screw? Or would you rather use a powered Bosch screwdriver to remove 10 screws in 10 seconds? Anyway, we will be waiting for you when you eventually fold because an interviewer asks you if you can use xyz AI tool. I never used to deploy on AWS because it's behind a NAT and NAT is horrible for my niche. Just got of a call with a prospective customer, "onlay" me go pay for AWS dey spin up Server. Move with the times brethren. Before you become an IT relic

This wannabe that thinks he's somehow special... Ai is here to stay... You can never stop it neither can you ever stop innovation or technology.

Learn how to work with Ai or slowly get replaced.

You don't even need to use an IDE let alone auto complete, you should have sticked to Notepad. You shouldn't be using a phone in the first place since saving contacts on it makes us lazy at remembering these contacts. With people like you, Dem for still dey see motor dey run.

airsaylongcome:
OP, you wan wound for nothing. These are tools fam! Tools! Accountants used to use paper and calculator, today the worst accountant uses spreadsheet, most use accounting software. In the "olden days" we used to go queue at Nitel to make international calls, WhatsApp obliterated that foolishness. I was like you years ago. We used to write code in notepad or nano/vim. I held my ground that I will NEVER use IDEs. Body tell me. You go write tire. Still waste nonsense time looking for missing semicolon or missing # or // for comment. Get on the train bruv. Speed up your productivity. Leverage these new tools. I'm not saying you should rely 100% on AI, but c'mon fam, would you rather use your fingernail (or table knife) to undo a screw? Or would you rather use a powered Bosch screwdriver to remove 10 screws in 10 seconds? Anyway, we will be waiting for you when you eventually fold because an interviewer asks you if you can use xyz AI tool. I never used to deploy on AWS because it's behind a NAT and NAT is horrible for my niche. Just got of a call with a prospective customer, "onlay" me go pay for AWS dey spin up Server. Move with the times brethren. t before you become an IT relic

Chat gpt is a glorified chat bot that feeds off others people's sweat, nano /vim is still useful today, most engineers today use vim or emacs, IDE makes sense for software with large codebase, i learnt programming at a very young age writing basic and motorola assembly, before chat gpt , engineers are very productive compared to engineers of today , every small thing they pull chat gpt to code for them. one of my guy stooped using GitHub because Microsoft was using GitHub to feed copilot . I hardly apply to companies, my projects day show workings for me. tech is not about following with trend , but being patient and using what stays the longest , that's why things like C, Unix can never be replaced in tech

Revealpanda:
This wannabe that thinks he's somehow special... Ai is here to stay... You can never stop it neither can you ever stop innovation or technology.

Learn how to work with Ai or slowly get replaced.

gerra out , na only Ctrl C + V you sabi

you no sabi write hashing function without using chat gpt

hustler2828:
You don't even need to use an IDE let alone auto complete, you should have sticked to Notepad. You shouldn't be using a phone in the first place since saving contacts on it makes us lazy at remembering these contacts. With people like you, Dem for still dey see motor dey run.

dey play
i use vim with hard bindings , I have a flip phone with my CRT machine and my Thinkpad laptop.

Kaczynski:
Chat gpt is a glorified chat bot that feeds off others people's sweat, nano /vim is still useful today, most engineers today use vim or emacs, IDE makes sense for software with large codebase, i learnt programming at a very young age writing basic and motorola assembly, before chat gpt , engineers are very productive compared to engineers of today , every small thing they pull chat gpt to code for them. one of my guy stooped using GitHub because Microsoft was using GitHub to feed copilot . I hardly apply to companies, my projects day show workings for me. tech is not about following with trend , but being patient and using what stays the longest , that's why things like C, Unix can never be replaced in tech

I'm not really holding court for ChatGPT specifically. Or AI generally. I'm just saying it's pure nuts to say you won't use them. Cursor for example is a good AI tool (IDE?) for development. It's about being more productive. You can calculate with paper and pen, you can do a whole lot more with Excel. I'm just saying it's plain folly to stick to the old ways when there are new more productive ways. Our parents used firewood. We have Microwave today. Moving with the times doesn't mean not learning the fundamentals. It means incorporating modern tools into your work flow.

How far back did you start programming? Did you save programs on Radio cassettes? Commodore 64 or Sinclair? Just trying to guage whether we started around the same time. I don't code any more sha.

Kaczynski:
gerra out , na only Ctrl C + V you sabi

you no sabi write hashing function without using chat gpt

Baba, keep it elegant and classy. At all times. Stay elegant bro.

airsaylongcome:
I'm not really holding court for ChatGPT specifically. Or AI generally. I'm just saying it's pure nuts to say you won't use them. Cursor for example is a good AI tool (IDE?) for development. It's about being more productive. You can calculate with paper and pen, you can do a whole lot more with Excel. I'm just saying it's plain folly to stick to the old ways when there are new more productive ways. Our parents used firewood. We have Microwave today. Moving with the times doesn't mean not learning the fundamentals. It means incorporating modern tools into your work flow.

How far back did you start programming? Did you save programs on Radio cassettes? Commodore 64 or Sinclair? Just trying to guage whether we started around the same time. I don't code any more sha.

i started with basic and motorola assembly,learnt c , go and some variant of lisp called scheme along the way
. i saved programs on floppies on an ancient IBM desktop, i grew up in the dotcom bubble , my dad was a lecturer as uni lag so I got to play with computers whenever he carried me to work plus I went to kinda rich kids schools mainly white kids and few nigerian kids .

Kaczynski:
i started with basic and motorola assembly,learnt c , go and some variant of lisp called scheme along the way
. i saved programs on floppies on an ancient IBM desktop, i grew up in the dotcom bubble , my dad was a lecturer as uni lag so I got to play with computers whenever he carried me to work plus I went to kinda rich kids schools mainly white kids and few nigerian kids .

Lol...you are from the "museum" then. Floppies for me came much later. For you to mention LISP (Functional programming?), I remove hat. I didn’t touch Scheme sha. You are from the golden days be that. I go dey read your contributions with more care now.

I also started with BASIC. Typed codes from books and magazines

Kaczynski:
gerra out , na only Ctrl C + V you sabi

you no sabi write hashing function without using chat gpt

Lols 😂

I wish say na those 2017-2018 way I go engage u for algorithm challenge.


It's very easy to know a guy who haven't made even 5 Naira with any tech Stack before... You're one of those guys

Revealpanda:
Lols 😂

I wish say na those 2017-2018 way I go engage u for algorithm challenge.


It's very easy to know a guy who haven't made even 5 Naira with any tech Stack before... You're one of those guys

I know we don't see eye to eye. And have been kinda avoiding confrontation with each other since our last "dance". But please is it possible for those of us more experienced to kinda focus on encouraging those coming after us? The street is hungry o. Let's try and guide the generations next in line. Fighting no dey do us or dem any good

airsaylongcome:
Lol...you are from the "museum" then. Floppies for me came much later. For you to mention LISP (Functional programming), I remove hat. You are from the golden days be that. I go dey read your contributions with more care now.

I also started with BASIC. Typed codes from books and magazines

Yet, you end up deceiving people and absconding with their hard-earned money through a Ponzi scheme 🤔

Revealpanda:
Yet, you end up deceiving people and absconding with their hard-earned money through a Ponzi scheme 🤔

That story will be told some day. Just so you know, I, my spouse, my siblings, and close friends lost money in that. So no, I wasn't in on the scam. I was also a victim. But like I said, someday that story will be told

Revealpanda:
Lols 😂

I wish say na those 2017-2018 way I go engage u for algorithm challenge.


It's very easy to know a guy who haven't made even 5 Naira with any tech Stack before... You're one of those guys

unlike you , i program for fun not for Stoopid paper, i have been writing code since you were in diapers



I don't work for any company, I get paid for maintaining my projects by big companies in the EU.

Kaczynski:
unlike you , i program for fun not for Stoopid paper, i have been writing code since you were in diapers



I don't work for any company, I[b] get paid for maintaining my projects by big companies in the EU. [/b]

Many of you seem to lack basic reasoning skills. In your first sentence, you claimed to code for fun and not for money. Yet by the second paragraph, you contradicted yourself by implying you get paid—clearly indicating you do code for money.

I won’t bother asking you to name the big companies supposedly paying you, because we both know there aren’t any 😂😂😂

Kaczynski:
dey play
i use vim with hard bindings , I have a flip phone with my CRT machine and my Thinkpad laptop.

Vim? No, you shouldn't be using Vim because it somehow still does some heaving lifting under the hood, you should be using a punch card to feed instructions directly to a machine built by you. Are you aware that Vim was an improved version of VI? And no don't program in C because it still does some data abstraction, you should stick to assembly. Engineers currently are not as productive unlike before you say? Guy you funny oh. Even after C there was C++, these things are just tools to make you even more productive and innovative my friend. No say because motor fit kill person no go come make you to not drive or enter motor.
Dey there they use teeth to remove screws from wood instead of using a screwdriver.

Revealpanda:
Many of you seem to lack basic reasoning skills. In your first sentence, you claimed to code for fun and not for money. Yet by the second paragraph, you contradicted yourself by implying you get paid—clearly indicating you do code for money.

I won’t bother asking you to name the big companies supposedly paying you, because we both know there aren’t any 😂😂😂

keep wailing


i no say you never chop today

hustler2828:
Vim? No, you shouldn't be using Vim because it somehow still does some heavy lifting under the hood, you should be using a punch card to feed instructions directly to a machine built by you. Are you aware that Vim was an improved version of VI? And no don't program in C because it still does some data abstraction, you should stick to assembly. Engineers currently are not as productive unlike before you say? Guy you funny oh. Even after C there was C++, these things are just tools to make you even more productive and innovative my friend. No say because motor fit kill person no go come make you to not drive or enter motor.
Dey there they use teeth to remove screws from wood instead of using a screwdriver.

Make una stop o! Stop it guys. All these smallies coming through will just be watching you vets going at each other's throats.

Kaczynski:
keep wailing


i no say you never chop today

See your almajiri food

hustler2828:
Vim? No, you shouldn't be using Vim because it somehow still does some heaving lifting under the hood, you should be using a punch card to feed instructions directly to a machine built by you. Are you aware that Vim was an improved version of VI? And no don't program in C because it still does some data abstraction, you should stick to assembly. Engineers currently are not as productive unlike before you say? Guy you funny oh. Even after C there was C++, these things are just tools to make you even more productive and innovative my friend. No say because motor fit kill person no go come make you to not drive or enter motor.
Dey there they use teeth to remove screws from wood instead of using a screwdriver.

Thank God he's utterly incompetent... he'll never build anything remotely worthy of deployment to a live server beyond his 1GB RAM localhost.

If the world relied on people like him, we'd still be calculating with abacuses 🧮 and storing data on punch cards 😂

airsaylongcome:
That story will be told some day. Just so you know, I, my spouse, my siblings, and close friends lost money in that. So no, I wasn't in on the scam. I was also a victim. But like I said, someday that story will be told

The story will never be told Mr Pablo airsaylongcome 😂 shame won’t let you speak about your past heists.

And let’s be honest, you didn’t lose a dime. If anything, I’d bet you made twenty times more by scheming others as part of the inner circle behind the operation.

You call yourself Pablo for a reason... We both know that Ponzi wasn't your first illegal racket 🤔

hustler2828:
Vim? No, you shouldn't be using Vim because it somehow still does some heaving lifting under the hood, you should be using a punch card to feed instructions directly to a machine built by you. Are you aware that Vim was an improved version of VI? And no don't program in C because it still does some data abstraction, you should stick to assembly. Engineers currently are not as productive unlike before you say? Guy you funny oh. Even after C there was C++, these things are just tools to make you even more productive and innovative my friend. No say because motor fit kill person no go come make you to not drive or enter motor.
Dey there they use teeth to remove screws from wood instead of using a screwdriver.

Oga oga oga oga!!!
Na nail dey dey wood na
Antispam bot no ban me o🤣

Mods/Seun,

Someone review my last post (on this thread) before this and let me know where I "match line". My rebuttal was yanked off while the post I responded to is still up. Is there some kind campaign of calumny or what? The spam b07 seems to have me as a target. If it's the name of the celeb I mentioned, redact it. But I will no longer comment on this sub forum until that post is restored.

Thank you