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Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Sand2022(op): 3:47pm On Apr 30, 2025

In 1 Peter 4:11, Peter concludes a charge with reverent praise to God the Father:
"Whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen." (1 Peter 4:11, ESV)

This doxology—ending with "Amen"—is reverential and worshipful. It is a form of praise directed not to the audience but to the Almighty God, who is not present as a recipient within the letter’s readership. Such exalted praise is a marker of divine honor.
Interestingly, similar expressions of glory and praise—concluded with "Amen"—are directed to Jesus Christ as well:

"...who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen." (1 Timothy 6:16, ESV)

And again:

"But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen." (2 Peter 3:18, ESV)

These doxologies affirm that such glorifying language is not reserved solely for the Father, but also given to the Son. This is not competitive but complementary. When we worship the Father, we do not exclude the Son, and when we honor the Son, the Father is not excluded either. Rather, they share in the glory and worship. This is echoed in Jesus’ prayer:

"And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed." (John 17:5, ESV)
This shared glory is also seen in Revelation 5:13–14, where both the Father and the Lamb (Jesus Christ) receive worship from all creation:

"And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!' And the four living creatures said, 'Amen!' and the elders fell down and worshiped." (Revelation 5:13–14, ESV)

This unity in glory between the Father and the Son is not new; it existed before the world began. The prophet Isaiah describes a scene of divine worship:

"In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings... And one called to another and said: 'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!'" (Isaiah 6:1–3, ESV)

John later identifies the recipient of that vision as Jesus:

"Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him." (John 12:41, ESV)

Thus, just as in Revelation 5, the Father and the Son share in divine worship, so too in Isaiah’s vision and John’s interpretation, the Son is seen as the one glorified.

The distinction arises not in essence, but in role. When the Son took on flesh for the purpose of redemption, He assumed a subordinate role—one in which He could say, "My God," reflecting His humanity and mission. Yet, this subordination in role does not diminish His divinity. It adds a redemptive function to His identity, while His divine nature remains fully intact—equal in essence and worthy of the same eternal glory.

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Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Emusan(m): 5:07pm On Apr 30, 2025

Sand2022:
In 1 Peter 4:11, Peter concludes a charge with reverent praise to God the Father:
"Whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen." (1 Peter 4:11, ESV)

This doxology—ending with "Amen"—is reverential and worshipful. It is a form of praise directed not to the audience but to the Almighty God, who is not present as a recipient within the letter’s readership. Such exalted praise is a marker of divine honor.
Interestingly, similar expressions of glory and praise—concluded with "Amen"—are directed to Jesus Christ as well:

"...who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen." (1 Timothy 6:16, ESV)

And again:

"But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen." (2 Peter 3:18, ESV)

These doxologies affirm that such glorifying language is not reserved solely for the Father, but also given to the Son. This is not competitive but complementary. When we worship the Father, we do not exclude the Son, and when we honor the Son, the Father is not excluded either. Rather, they share in the glory and worship. This is echoed in Jesus’ prayer:

"And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed." (John 17:5, ESV)
This shared glory is also seen in Revelation 5:13–14, where both the Father and the Lamb (Jesus Christ) receive worship from all creation:

"And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!' And the four living creatures said, 'Amen!' and the elders fell down and worshiped." (Revelation 5:13–14, ESV)

This unity in glory between the Father and the Son is not new; it existed before the world began. The prophet Isaiah describes a scene of divine worship:

"In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings... And one called to another and said: 'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!'" (Isaiah 6:1–3, ESV)

John later identifies the recipient of that vision as Jesus:

"Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him." (John 12:41, ESV)

Thus, just as in Revelation 5, the Father and the Son share in divine worship, so too in Isaiah’s vision and John’s interpretation, the Son is seen as the one glorified.

The distinction arises not in essence, but in role. When the Son took on flesh for the purpose of redemption, He assumed a subordinate role—one in which He could say, "My God," reflecting His humanity and mission. Yet, this subordination in role does not diminish His divinity. It adds a redemptive function to His identity, while His divine nature remains fully intact—equal in essence and worthy of the same eternal glory.

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Jesus Himself boldly says "The Father wants all people to honor the Son as much as they honor him. When anyone refuses to honor the Son, this is the same as refusing to honor the Father who sent him." John 5:23

If this is not equality to you then your education is a waste.

In fact some translations put it this way "...so that all men may honour the Son equally with the Father."

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Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Zooposki(f): 10:02am On May 01, 2025

Emusan:
Jesus Himself boldly says "The Father wants all people to honor the Son as much as they honor him. When anyone refuses to honor the Son, this is the same as refusing to honor the Father who sent him." John 5:23

If this is not equality to you then your education is a waste.

In fact some translations put it this way "...so that all men may honour the Son equally with the Father."

Love it.

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Emusan(m): 11:37am On May 01, 2025

Zooposki:
Love it.

But the name "John" is what and from where?

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Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Zooposki(f): 8:28pm On May 02, 2025

Emusan:
But the name "John" is what and from where?

Stay tuned and make sure you watch.

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Janosky: 9:15pm On May 02, 2025

Emusan:
Jesus Himself boldly says "The Father wants all people to honor the Son as much as they honor him. When anyone refuses to honor the Son, this is the same as refusing to honor the Father who sent him." John 5:23

If this is not equality to you then your education is a waste.

In fact some translations put it this way "...so that all men may honour the Son equally with the Father."

Honor your Father as you honor your Mother, your Bible commands.
Does honor your Father as you honor your Mother change 1 Corinthians 11:3?

Does Jesus statement of John 5:23 CHANGE Jesus teaching of John 14:28 & 1 Corinthians 11:3?
No , definitely not.

Emusan,Do you see that Jesus agreed with 1 Corinthians 11:3 @ John 14:28?

Please allow the holy scriptures to guide you & likewise allow your brain to function.

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Janosky: 9:23pm On May 02, 2025

Sand2022:
In 1 Peter 4:11, Peter concludes a charge with reverent praise to God the Father:
"Whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies—in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen." (1 Peter 4:11, ESV)

This doxology—ending with "Amen"—is reverential and worshipful. It is a form of praise directed not to the audience but to the Almighty God, who is not present as a recipient within the letter’s readership. Such exalted praise is a marker of divine honor.
Interestingly, similar expressions of glory and praise—concluded with "Amen"—are directed to Jesus Christ as well:

"...who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen." (1 Timothy 6:16, ESV)

And again:

"But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen." (2 Peter 3:18, ESV)

These doxologies affirm that such glorifying language is not reserved solely for the Father, but also given to the Son. This is not competitive but complementary. When we worship the Father, we do not exclude the Son, and when we honor the Son, the Father is not excluded either. Rather, they share in the glory and worship. This is echoed in Jesus’ prayer:

"And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed." (John 17:5, ESV)
This shared glory is also seen in Revelation 5:13–14, where both the Father and the Lamb (Jesus Christ) receive worship from all creation:

"And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, 'To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!' And the four living creatures said, 'Amen!' and the elders fell down and worshiped." (Revelation 5:13–14, ESV)

This unity in glory between the Father and the Son is not new; it existed before the world began. The prophet Isaiah describes a scene of divine worship:

"In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings... And one called to another and said: 'Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!'" (Isaiah 6:1–3, ESV)

John later identifies the recipient of that vision as Jesus:

"Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory and spoke of him." (John 12:41, ESV)

Thus, just as in Revelation 5, the Father and the Son share in divine worship, so too in Isaiah’s vision and John’s interpretation, the Son is seen as the one glorified.

The distinction arises not in essence, but in role. When the Son took on flesh for the purpose of redemption, He assumed a subordinate role—one in which He could say, "My God," reflecting His humanity and mission. Yet, this subordination in role does not diminish His divinity. It adds a redemptive function to His identity, while His divine nature remains fully intact—equal in essence and worthy of the same eternal glory.

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All the stuff in your posts can NOT CHANGE Jesus teaching of John 14:28, John 12:49-50 &1 Corinthians 11:3 you desire to undermine.

More so, when you Sand2022 know that Jesus teaching of John 17:22-24 expressly says that the same glory he had before creation would be shared to the disciples.
verse 22
"I have given them the glory that you gave me,
that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory,
the glory you have given me
because you loved me before the creation of the world."

Oga , no dey deceive yourself.

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Emusan(m): 8:45am On May 03, 2025*

Janosky:
Honor your Father as you honor your Mother, your Bible commands.
Does honor your Father as you honor your Mother change 1 Corinthians 11:3?

Very right!

because my Father and my Mother are equal per human Nature.

Which means Jesus statement in that John 5:23 shows both the Father and Jesus are EQUAL reason why Jesus is demanding the SAME HONOR.

No creature can do that.

Does Jesus statement of John 5:23 CHANGE Jesus teaching of John 14:28 & 1 Corinthians 11:3?
No , definitely not.

Jesus' statement in John 14:28 is about position just as my Father is greater than my Mother in position when it comes to family affair.

So, the question is do you Honor Jesus Christ JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Don't forget to Honor Jehovah you must worship and praise Him.

Emusan,Do you see that Jesus agreed with 1 Corinthians 11:3 @ John 14:28?

No! Bible never asks us to HONOR our parents JUST AS we HONOR GOD.

To do this means we should worship our parents because worshipping is part of how we Honor God according to Watchtower.

Do you see and understand the content of John 14:28 and 1 Corin 11:3 now?

Please allow the holy scriptures to guide you & likewise allow your brain to function.

I do the question is, do you allow the same Holy Scripture to guide you?

You know Jesus is asking for EQUAL HONOR and to Honor Jehovah means you must worship Him.

True or false?

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Sand2022(op): 12:37pm On May 04, 2025

Janosky:

All the stuff in your posts can NOT CHANGE Jesus teaching of John 14:28, John 12:49-50 &1 Corinthians 11:3 you desire to undermine.

More so, when you Sand2022 know that Jesus teaching of John 17:22-24 expressly says that the same glory he had before creation would be shared to the disciples.
verse 22
"I have given them the glory that you gave me,
that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory,
the glory you have given me
because you loved me before the creation of the world."

Oga , no dey deceive yourself.

That's not what jesus was saying there. The glory he was tling his father was the one he gave them already on earth. This glory will help them to be United with the Father and Jesus. At John 17:5 is a glory prior to the World's creation.

At Isaiah 6;1-3 we see the glory jesus enjoyed, worship was included. If you read the scriptures honestly if will help you better.

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Janosky: 10:31pm On May 04, 2025

Sand2022:
That's not what jesus was saying there. The glory he was tling his father was the one he gave them already on earth. This glory will help them to be United with the Father and Jesus. At John 17:5 is a glory prior to the World's creation.

At Isaiah 6;1-3 we see the glory jesus enjoyed, worship was included. If you read the scriptures honestly if will help you better.

Isaiah 6:1-3 references Jehovah.
Jesus Christ wasn't given a throne until after his ransom sacrifice & ascension to heaven.
Oga, @ John 17:4-5,24, did Jesus Christ support your claim?
Not at all.
V4, "Father, I have glorified you on the earth"
V5, "Father, glorify me at your side (in heaven) with the glory I had before creation of the world "

V24 "Father,I want those you have given me to be with me where I am (in heaven,1 Thess 4:17) & see the glory you have given me.....before creation of the world ".

Matthew 4:10, (Jesus quoted from Deuteronomy 6:13.)
In John 4:24, did Jesus teach you to worship 2 different spirits?
Oga, don't be deceiving yourself.

Shalom.

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Janosky: 11:21pm On May 04, 2025

Emusan:
Very right!

because my Father and my Mother are equal per human Nature.

1 Corinthians 11:3
"Man is the head of the woman."

Giving honor doesn't translate to equality.

Oga,Believe Jesus Christ and believe Paul, his convert. grin

Emusan:
Which means Jesus statement in that John 5:23 shows both the Father and Jesus are EQUAL reason why Jesus is demanding the SAME HONOR.

No creature can do that.

"The Father (God Almighty) is greater than I (Jesus)."
The teaching of Jesus Christ, @John 14:28

1 Corinthians 11:3
"God is the Head of Christ Jesus".

Did you see Worship @ John 5:23?
No.
But you dey put worship @ John 5:23.
You assume or think that Honor equates to worship.
No Sir.

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Janosky: 12:12am On May 05, 2025

Emusan nxpost=135215967:
Jesus' statement in John 14:28 is about position just as my Father is greater than my Mother in position when it comes to family affair.

So, the question is do you Honor Jesus Christ JUST AS you Honor Jehovah?

Don't forget to Honor Jehovah you .must worship and praise Him.

No! Bible never asks us to HONOR our parents JUST ASnm we HONOR GOD.

Hierarchy started from the spiritual realm.
God says Jesus Christ is under God's authority in heaven and earth,
Likewise,Man and wife/women.

That Jesus has God's nature, doesn't grant equality to Jesus.
Likewise, woman having human nature, doesn't make her head of the man .

Emusan nxpost=135215967:
To do this means we should worship our parents because worshipping is part of how we Honor God according to Watchtower.

For Emusan mind
grin

Emusan nxpost=135215967:
Do you see and understand the content of John 14:28 and 1 Corin 11:3 now?

I do the question is, do you allow the same Holy Scripture to guide you?

You know Jesus is asking for EQUAL HONOR and to Honor Jehovah means you must worship Him.

True or false?

The Bible word for Honour is the same meaning @ John 5:23 & Ephesians 6:1.

Honor doesn't bestow equality to anyone.

Oga, do not go beyond the things written in your Bible

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Emusan(m): 9:14am On May 05, 2025

Janosky:
Hierarchy started from the spiritual realm.
God says Jesus Christ is under God's authority in heaven and earth,
Likewise,Man and wife/women.

That Jesus has God's nature, doesn't grant equality to Jesus.
Likewise, woman having human nature, doesn't make her head of the man.

You just implicate yourself with this statement.

For Jesus to have God's NATURE means Jesus is FULLY GOD.

Your second statement should be "Likewise, man having human NATURE doesn't make him the head of woman." by this, it shows when the scripture says Man is the Head of the Woman it wasn't about NATURE but position. The same explanation about God greater than Jesus.

So it's about POSITION not NATURE.

By Nature both man and woman are equal.

For Emusan mind

No! By scripture and it's interpretation.

The Bible word for Honour is the same meaning @ John 5:23 & Ephesians 6:1.

Honor doesn't bestow equality to anyone.

This is a lame explanation.

For understanding, no one says "Honor bestowed EQUALITY to anybody"

But Jesus statement shows WHATEVER WAY YOU HONOR THE FATHER THE SAME WAY YOU SHOULD HONOR HIM.

How do you Honor the Father?

Jesus said you should Honor Him the same way.

If Jesus isn't equal to God, He can't demand THE SAME HONOR just from your citation of 1 Corinthians we should Honor our father and mother which means both our father and mother are equal despite the man is the head of the woman.

Can you comprehend this?

Oga, do not go beyond the things written in your Bible

I don't. Why do you go below of what is written in your own Bible?

If you have the mind, the challenge for you here is:
List how you have been honoring Jehovah.

This is very important.

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Emusan(m): 9:30am On May 05, 2025

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 11:3
"Man is the head of the woman."

Giving honor doesn't translate to equality.

But no one claimed: "honor translates to EQUALITY".

The point is, you give THE SAME HONOR to both because they are EQUAL.

Oga,Believe Jesus Christ and believe Paul, his convert.

I do and I will always do.

Do you believe Jesus when He said you should HONOR HIM JUST AS you Honor the Father?

The key phrase here is "JUST AS"

The assignment I always give you people and never carry out is:

When you get to your hall, walk up to any elder and tell him "Sir, as from today I want you to respect me JUST AS YOU RESPECT your father"

Let's see how it will go.

"The Father (God Almighty) is greater than I (Jesus)."
The teaching of Jesus Christ, @John 14:28

1 Corinthians 11:3
"God is the Head of Christ Jesus".

This is about POSITION not NATURE.

Did you see Worship @ John 5:23?
No.

Capital NO!

Do you HONOR Jehovah by Worshipping Him?

But you dey put worship @ John 5:23.

Yes! In my explanation because worship is part of HONOR we give to God.

Do you want Watchtower reference about how worship is part of HONOR given to Jehovah?

You assume or think that Honor equates to worship.
No Sir.

I never assume or equate honor to worship.

Rather, I said worship is part of how we HONOR GOD.

Jesus demands EQUAL HONOR as given to The Father.

Which means, if you Honor The Father through Worship Jesus Christ said it's not complete without given Him the same Honor.

The question is, how do you Honor The Father?

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Janosky: 1:29pm On May 05, 2025

Emusan:
But no one claimed: "honor translates to EQUALITY".

The point is, you give THE SAME HONOR to both because they are EQUAL.

God is a spirit.
Also Satan is a spirit.

Emusan, are the two of them equal spirits?

Please allow your brain to function.
grin

Emusan:
I do and I will always do.

Do you believe Jesus when He said you should HONOR HIM JUST AS you Honor the Father?

The key phrase here is "JUST AS"

The assignment I always give you people and never carry out is:

When you get to your hall, walk up to any elder and tell him "Sir, as from today I want you to respect me JUST AS YOU RESPECT your father"

Let's see how it will go.

This is about POSITION not NATURE.

Capital NO!

Do you HONOR Jehovah by Worshipping Him?

Yes! In my explanation because worship is part of HONOR we give to God.

Do you want Watchtower reference about how worship is part of HONOR given to Jehovah?

I never assume or equate honor to worship.

Rather, I said worship is part of how we HONOR GOD.

Jesus demands EQUAL HONOR as given to The Father.

Which means, if you Honor The Father through Worship Jesus Christ said it's not complete without given Him the same Honor.

The question is, how do you Honor The Father?

Aramaic Bible in Plain English Matthew 4:10
Then Yeshua said to him, “Depart Satan, for
it is written: 'You shall worship THE LORD JEHOVAH your God and HIM ALONE shall you serve".

In plain English,Jesus said Worship is EXCLUSIVE To The LORD JEHOVAH.
Emusan doesn't understand the Bible in plain English.

Oga, continue deceiving yourself.
grin

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Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Emusan(m): 2:17pm On May 05, 2025

Janosky:
God is a spirit.
Also Satan is a spirit.

Emusan, are the two of them equal spirits?

Please allow your brain to function.

God and Satan are not Equal as a Spirit Person just as Human and Dog not Equal as a Physical Being.

So, The Nature of God is different from the Nature of Satan.

Remember you have agreed that Jesus has God's Nature.

Does Jesus has Satan's Nature too?

Aramaic Bible in Plain English Matthew 4:10
Then Yeshua said to him, “Depart Satan, for
it is written: 'You shall worship THE LORD JEHOVAH your God and HIM ALONE shall you serve".

In plain English,Jesus said Worship is EXCLUSIVE To The LORD JEHOVAH.
Emusan doesn't understand the Bible in plain English.

Oga, continue deceiving yourself.

Reason why you couldn't answer my question cheesy

How do you HONOR JEHOVAH?

Very simple question.

Let's see if you OBEY JESUS

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Sand2022(op): 1:58pm On May 07, 2025

Janosky:
Isaiah 6:1-3 references Jehovah
Jesus Christ wasn't given a throne until after his ransom sacrifice & ascension to heaven.
Oga, @ John 17:4-5,24, did Jesus Christ support your claim?
Not at all.
V4, "Father, I have glorified you on the earth"
V5, "Father, glorify me at your side (in heaven) with the glory I had before creation of the world "

V24 "Father,I want those you have given me to be with me where I am (in heaven,1 Thess 4:17) & see the glory you have given me.....before creation of the world ".

Matthew 4:10, (Jesus quoted from Deuteronomy 6:13.)
In John 4:24, did Jesus teach you to worship 2 different spirits?
Oga, don't be deceiving yourself.

Shalom.

In your JW Library study pane, your organization agrees that Jesus pre human existence is referenced in that Isaiah 6:1-3. They only added that his father was there too. This agrees with my post. In fact that study pane even quoted Genesis 1:26 and that implies that jesus is part of the God there.

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Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Janosky: 10:44pm On May 07, 2025

Sand2022:
In your JW Library study pane, your organization agrees that Jesus pre human existence is referenced in that Isaiah 6:1-3. They only added that his father was there too. This agrees with my post. In fact that study pane even quoted Genesis 1:26 and that implies that jesus is part of the God there.

Oga, STOP LYING.
Isaiah 6:1-3 is praising ONLY Jehovah.
Oga, JW's NEVER at all claimed that Isaiah 6:1-3 gave praise or worship to Jesus.

JW's referenced Isaiah 6:8 that "US" included Jesus.
Yahweh the God Almighty said "whom shall I send?"
Jesus did NOT give that command in Isaiah 6:8.

The Jews & Bible scholars referenced "US" to mean Yahweh speaking to the divine assembly of angels, heavenly beings in the court of heaven, Psalms 82:1, Job 1:6.

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Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Janosky: 10:53pm On May 07, 2025

Emusan:
God and Satan are not Equal as a Spirit Person just as Human and Dog not Equal as a Physical Being.

So, The Nature of God is different from the Nature of Satan.

Remember you have agreed that Jesus has God's Nature.

Does Jesus has Satan's Nature too?

Reason why you couldn't answer my question

How do you HONOR JEHOVAH?

Very simple question.

Let's see if you OBEY JESUS

Every being created exists in God's image and likeness.
Man,Jesus Christ & Satan has God's nature.
God is the Father of all. Ephesians 4:6.
Oga, receive sense.
grin

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Sand2022(op): 5:58am On May 08, 2025*

Janosky:
Oga, STOP LYING.
Isaiah 6:1-3 is praising ONLY Jehovah.
Oga, JW's NEVER at all claimed that Isaiah 6:1-3 gave praise or worship to Jesus.

JW's referenced Isaiah 6:8 that "US" included Jesus.
Yahweh the God Almighty said "whom shall I send?"
Jesus did NOT give that command in Isaiah 6:8.

The Jews & Bible scholars referenced "US" to mean Yahweh speaking to the divine assembly of angels, heavenly beings in the court of heaven, Psalms 82:1, Job 1:6.

The "US" Implies that jesus enjoyed glory alongside his father. That is my point there. The study pane says:

The use of the plural pronoun “us” indicates that at least one other person was with God in this vision. So it is reasonable to conclude that when John wrote that Isaiah “saw his glory,” this refers to Jesus’ prehuman glory alongside Jehovah

This is the same with Rev 5:13, 14 from my view. Notice whom John said Isaiah saw:

John 12:41
41 Isaiah said these things because he saw his glory, and he spoke about him."

Whose glory did Isaiah see as reported by John? And how many person is represented by the "his"?

Refer to Isaiah
1 In the year that King Uz·ziʹah died, I saw Jehovah sitting on a lofty and elevated throne, and the skirts of his robe filled the temple.

How many persons did Isaiah say he saw there?

Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Emusan(m): 9:34am On May 08, 2025*

See the way he used style run away from 1 Corin cheesy

Janosky:
Every being created exists in God's image and likeness.

Animals too exist in God's image, is that correct?

Man,Jesus Christ & Satan has God's nature.

No! God's Nature will forever be His major unique thing.

The day any being has the capacity to POSSESS GOD'S NATURE automatically makes that Being to be God.

If your Dog has HUMAN NATURE today, it stop being Dog but Human.

This sis simple logic and fact.

It's NATURE that differentiates us in this world.

Now that you AGREED that Jesus has God's Nature, then it means Jesus is FULLY GOD.

God is the Father of all. Ephesians 4:6.
Oga, receive sense.

YES! because He created ALL.

We're talking about NATURE.

You can ask your ChatGPT or any AI in case you lack the knowledge about the subject matter, "meaning of Nature" to see if SATAN your father possessed God's NATURE of Yahweh(since you can elevate anything to God's position).

Let me help you because I know you'll never do that as you already know the outcome.

See the screenshot below!

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Re: Glory Shared: How The Father And The Son Receive Equal Worship by Gabrielshow24: 10:52am On May 08, 2025

Emusan:
See the way he used style run away from 1 Corin

Animals too exist in God's image, is that correct?

No! God's Nature will forever be His major unique thing.

The day any being has the capacity to POSSESS GOD'S NATURE automatically makes that Being to be God.

If your Dog has HUMAN NATURE today, it stop being Dog but Human.

This sis simple logic and fact.

It's NATURE that differentiates us in this world.

Now that you AGREED that Jesus has God's Nature, then it means Jesus is FULLY GOD.

YES! because He created ALL.

We're talking about NATURE.

You can ask your ChatGPT or any AI in case your lack the knowledge about the subject matter, "meaning of Nature" to see if SATAN your father possessed God's NATURE of Yahweh(since you can elevate anything to God's position).

Let me help you because I know you'll never do that as you already know the outcome.

See the screenshot below!

Such things shouldn't surprise you anymore 😂, especially coming from the mind that claimed 'the spirit of trees can also be called angels'! 😂😂😂👀

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