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Bfly:
This is normal in a country where a business administrator becomes minister of health

Another politician’s optometrist pikin don pressure in papa to be addressed as a doctor hence the whole country must share the confusion.

Lol...
They are the same set of pple in NUC with OND but want to be awarded BSc..... No offense to you if you have a diploma....

OkayDaddy:
Medical doctors are physicians. They aren't the custodians of the title Doctor.

If you like, wipe your head on the ground, na you sabi.

U think this is just about title....this about someone trying to get same salary scale for doing less than doctors... Their roles and training are far different.....

These medical doctors should drop their ego jare..

There are many types of doctors, and that's why 'medical' is added to their own doctor... There are academic doctors too; traditional doctors too dey.. By the way, the proper professional name of these so called medical doctors is PHYSICIAN... Why can't they stick to that?

Abeg, they should rest....

advanceDNA:
U think this is just about title....this about someone trying to get same salary scale for doing less than doctors... Their roles and training are far different.....

What is your NMA saying about it?
Why are you crying over title instead of Salary scale?

advanceDNA:
What manner of fvckry is this....?? This country seff.....some pple will just wake up and start getting dirty ideas borne our of envy and greed...

Who ever wants the medical Dr title and the salary scale of a doctor should pay the price and do the job......

.so why did they leave nurses, medical lab professionals, and other medical related jobs out of the equation?

Spits!!

Left for me, CMD post should be giving to administrator 🤷

Ebubu3:
A Pharmacist's title in the USA is Dr. And after his name he puts a bracket (Pharm.D)


Medical Doctors are not the owners of Dr title. What they were admitted to study is MBBS and not Dr. Show me proof they were admitted to study Dr. and Dr. was written on their admission letter. Rather it was Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery.

The real Dr. are the Ph.D holders and it is called Dr of Philosophy (Ph.D). Yet they don't get angry that medical doctors call themselves Dr that they didn't study for because what they studied is MBBS.

There is love in sharing.

Like I said, Dr title does not belong to anyone and in America, Pharmacists are referred to as Dr with (Pharm.D) in bracket



There is something called "healthcare team collaboration", read up on it.

Pharmacists study Biochemistry, Pharmacology, Anatomy, Physiology, so what do you study that we don't study ?


Pharmacists education in Rx school is being expanded to 6 years to incorporate clinical and patient-oriented education and clinical care, hence the introduction of the prefix Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

In USA, Medical Doctors write their name as Dr. followed by (MD). Pharmacists Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

That is how it is done because they're both clinical scholars.

Valid.

Dr. Should be reserved for PhD holders only. Everyone else (MBBS, Pharm., etc) should display their qualifications if they so much take pride in it.

mrsqueen:
https://businessday.ng/news/article/resident-doctors-kick-as-nuc-upgrades-pharmacy-physiotherapy-optometry-to-doctor-status/

What would now happen when Nurses are made heads of health institutions?

Ebubu7:
If we fight for the same pay as Doctors, that is because we get a 6 years training as well.

Fight for a higher pay for Doctors should be your concern.

Pharmacists are drug scientists but are now being brought closer to patients.

The NUC directive has already been implemented. Im sure NUC had broad consultation even with the Ministry of Health before implementing it. Nothing can be done anymore. Your lamentations are quite unfortunate and very late.

In USA, Pharmacists are approved by American government to use Dr. prefix.

Your fight for the same pay as doctors is because you spend 6 years in the university to study pharmacy? Is that a valid reason to have the same pay as doctors? Salary should be based on your job description and not how long you spent in school. If we should follow the job description of pharmacists, they do not deserve the same pay as doctors. Let's be realistic. Even in the same America that you have been mentioning since morning, doctors and pharmacists don't earn the same salary. Doctors salaries are higher than pharmacists in all western countries, including the US.

[quote author=advanceDNA post=135326005]See trying to stylishly make it look like everyone's job is equal because they collaborate is downplaying the role of medical doctors....

Some pple sit in office and just dispense drugs they are told ...... While someone combines a whole lot of medical data, to diagnose a sick person, determine what will make them well and many times have cut them open to fix them....cut women open to bring out babies when they can't naturally deliver, replace organs, cut open the brain, etc.. Yet you want to downplay their role because they work with drug dispensers...well done....I acknowledge you too

a medical doctor knows all a pharmacist knows..he's the one prescribing the drugs in the first place....making it sound like pharmacist knows drugs and drug interaction and the possible physiological response than doctors is laughable ....

You can keep sugarcoating the issuing to sound inclusive ...the fact is ....none off the other medical professionals does half of what doctors do.....it's a truck-load of traaaásh to be doing less than someone and be saying you want to get paid the same ....


you are totally wrong....oga..google is not even far from you..... the course content and training of medical doctors is far broder and than that of pharmacist, physiotherapist etc co....

As in...do you know what it takes to become a consultant after graduating ...u are comparing what's not comparable.....





Obviously your knowledge about this topic is shallow and is a shame that a learned person will downgrade the body of knowledge of other professionals just the way you have done. The fact that one is a medical doctor doesn't make them more intelligent than others professionals and this is a fact you should acknowledge, you are only knowledgeable in your discipline. You talked about consultancy role as an exclusive perogative of Medical doctors only. For your information, the UK that NARD is referencing have nurse consultants, physiotherapist consultants, etc that are employed and are working in various capacities in the NHS without their medicalbdoctors protesting but rather supportive of them. Infact many of these professions are now prescribing as well as serving as first contact professionals in primary care and ED to relief the pressure of service demand, however everybody must practise within their scope.

The nigeria government only elevate their training to 6 years and decide to award them doctor in their various professions, which of cause mean they spend the same years in university as medical doctors. The government did not even mention raising their entry salary to be equivalent as that of doctor, so why should this be an issue. And by the way, are you aware that a 'resident doctor' earn less than entry level pharmacist/physical therapist in the usa?

advanceDNA:
What manner of fvckry is this....?? This country seff.....some pple will just wake up and start getting dirty ideas borne our of envy and greed...

Who ever wants the medical Dr title and the salary scale of a doctor should pay the price and do the job......

.so why did they leave nurses, medical lab professionals, and other medical related jobs out of the equation?

Spits!!

But I hear say pharmacy hard pass medicine ooo

simple87:
Obviously your knowledge about this topic is shallow and is a shame that a learned person will downgrade the body of knowledge of other professionals just the way you have done. The fact that one is a medical doctor doesn't make them more intelligent than others professionals and this is a fact you should acknowledge, you are only knowledgeable in your discipline.

u dialogue out of context...we are talking job function, training, responsibility in the practice ..u are talking intelligence ...... Is there no reason why medical doctors are the ones heading medical board and hospitals....

. Guy we don't have to agree on this matter...

Kokaine:
But I hear say pharmacy hard pass medicine ooo

Na so naaa... biochemistry and microbiology seff hard pass medicine....

advanceDNA:
u dialogue out of context...we are talking job function, training, responsibility in the practice ..u are talking intelligence ...... Is there no reason why medical doctors are the ones heading medical board and hospitals....

. Guy we don't have to agree on this matter...

You are the one dialoguing out of contest and your view and knowledge on this issue is so myopic. In the UK for instance that NARD are referencing, do you know that you don't have to be a medical doctor to be the CEO of a NHS Trust or to even head a health service, same with USA and other saner climes. Unfortunately, in Nigeria people like you believe if the medical doctor don't head the service then the service can't run efficiently because they are the one who know it all in your view.

Ebubu3:
A Pharmacist's title in the USA is Dr. And after his name he puts a bracket (Pharm.D)


Medical Doctors are not the owners of Dr title. What they were admitted to study is MBBS and not Dr. Show me proof they were admitted to study Dr. and Dr. was written on their admission letter. Rather it was Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery.

The real Dr. are the Ph.D holders and it is called Dr of Philosophy (Ph.D). Yet they don't get angry that medical doctors call themselves Dr that they didn't study for because what they studied is MBBS.

There is love in sharing.

Like I said, Dr title does not belong to anyone and in America, Pharmacists are referred to as Dr with (Pharm.D) in bracket



There is something called "healthcare team collaboration", read up on it.

Pharmacists study Biochemistry, Pharmacology, Anatomy, Physiology, so what do you study that we don't study ?


Pharmacists education in Rx school is being expanded to 6 years to incorporate clinical and patient-oriented education and clinical care, hence the introduction of the prefix Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

In USA, Medical Doctors write their name as Dr. followed by (MD). Pharmacists Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

That is how it is done because they're both clinical scholars.

You are LYING - and I'm NOT a doctor. Pharmacists are called Pharmacists in US. Nobody calls them doctor. Just as all US lawyers have JD but are never called doctor.
The doctors are RIGHT. It would lead to people deceptively parading themselves as Medical Doctors

Kokaine:
But I hear say pharmacy hard pass medicine ooo

The question is whom did you hear it from? A mechanic apprentice who trained for several years will also tell you that his training is harder than that of pharmacy or medicine.

The problem is that the Nigerian system has so twisted the thinking of many people that they don’t even know what is proper or what is obtainable outside Nigeria. I saw someone arguing over the use of the “Doctor” title, and another claiming that pharmacists can’t diagnose or manage patients, na there them just goof

Trying to explain or reason with someone who believes they know everything is simply not worth the effort. The issue is that doctors in Nigeria are fighting over the so-called title because they see themselves as the bosses in the healthcare team.

In reality, the entire healthcare team should work collaboratively to ensure the patient achieves the best possible outcome—not to prove who is superior or who had more training.

In the UK, for instance, there are nurse practitioners who can play the role of a doctor, albeit with certain restrictions. You’re even advised to visit your pharmacist for certain conditions, and if it’s beyond them, they refer you to a general practitioner. There are also clinical pharmacists in hospitals who collaborate with medical teams on specific cases. Everyone has their role.

But in Nigeria, we’re always dragging issues that make no sense. It’s always a power tussle—every single time.
Una go dey alright

Ebubu3:
A Pharmacist's title in the USA is Dr. And after his name he puts a bracket (Pharm.D)


Medical Doctors are not the owners of Dr title. What they were admitted to study is MBBS and not Dr. Show me proof they were admitted to study Dr. and Dr. was written on their admission letter. Rather it was Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery.

The real Dr. are the Ph.D holders and it is called Dr of Philosophy (Ph.D). Yet they don't get angry that medical doctors call themselves Dr that they didn't study for because what they studied is MBBS.

There is love in sharing.

Like I said, Dr title does not belong to anyone and in America, Pharmacists are referred to as Dr with (Pharm.D) in bracket



There is something called "healthcare team collaboration", read up on it.

Pharmacists study Biochemistry, Pharmacology, Anatomy, Physiology, so what do you study that we don't study ?


Pharmacists education in Rx school is being expanded to 6 years to incorporate clinical and patient-oriented education and clinical care, hence the introduction of the prefix Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

In USA, Medical Doctors write their name as Dr. followed by (MD). Pharmacists Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

That is how it is done because they're both clinical scholars.

yeah but sadly there’s no Doctor from Ebonyi State

mrsqueen:
https://businessday.ng/news/article/resident-doctors-kick-as-nuc-upgrades-pharmacy-physiotherapy-optometry-to-doctor-status/

This only happens when you have people who didn't actually go to school but paid their way through it.

Just the same way they have converted polytechnic and monothenics to university, they want to assign Doctor title to pharmacist...


Well let them continue.

I don't know of other universities in Nigeria, but Pharmacy in UNIBEN deserves double honors. Doctorate straight. Those guys they read. From 100 level till final year. UNIBEN Pharmacy na stress.

Ebubu3:
A Pharmacist's title in the USA is Dr. And after his name he puts a bracket (Pharm.D)


Medical Doctors are not the owners of Dr title. What they were admitted to study is MBBS and not Dr. Show me proof they were admitted to study Dr. and Dr. was written on their admission letter. Rather it was Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery.

The real Dr. are the Ph.D holders and it is called Dr of Philosophy (Ph.D). Yet they don't get angry that medical doctors call themselves Dr that they didn't study for because what they studied is MBBS.

There is love in sharing.

Like I said, Dr title does not belong to anyone and in America, Pharmacists are referred to as Dr with (Pharm.D) in bracket



There is something called "healthcare team collaboration", read up on it.

Pharmacists study Biochemistry, Pharmacology, Anatomy, Physiology, so what do you study that we don't study ?


Pharmacists education in Rx school is being expanded to 6 years to incorporate clinical and patient-oriented education and clinical care, hence the introduction of the prefix Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

In USA, Medical Doctors write their name as Dr. followed by (MD). Pharmacists Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

That is how it is done because they're both clinical scholars.

Did I hear you clearly on that statement of yours? I don't think so. For your information, those courses you mentioned are Basic medical sciences... not even clinical sciences. That's if at all the full regional anatomy is being taught in pharm school.

Even though pharmacology is considered as a basic clinical science in some medical schools, it is done together with Pathology. And you need to pass those two departments in order to cross to the clinical level.

The clinical level is way higher than what can be taught and mastered under one year my brother. Just imagine, dealing with paediatrics, ObsGyn, Surgery and Internal medicine (with their various units), not to talk of other specialties like ENT, Dermatology, Ophthalmology, Mental health... all these under one year? Haba. No na.

My brother forget that matter, ARD is a strong voice in the medical profession and they are working hard to protect the nobel profession.

Give the doctors their due respect and if truly you like their prestige, then nothing stops you from going thru medical school.

Ebubu7:
A Pharmacist's title in the USA is Dr. And after his name he puts a bracket (Pharm.D)


Medical Doctors are not the owners of Dr title. What they were admitted to study is MBBS and not Dr. Show me proof they were admitted to study Dr. and Dr. was written on their admission letter. Rather it was Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery.

The real Dr. are the Ph.D holders and it is called Dr of Philosophy (Ph.D). Yet they don't get angry that medical doctors call themselves Dr that they didn't study for because what they studied is MBBS.

There is love in sharing.

Like I said, Dr title does not belong to anyone and in America, Pharmacists are referred to as Dr with (Pharm.D) in bracket

Pharm.D (Doctor of pharmacy) in the U.S is a doctorate program and that is why they are called doctors unlike the o-level pharmacy shit they offer in Nigeria Universities. Isn't it the same nonsense they are clamoring for about polytechnics awarding degrees when it is simple and clear that if you want a degree, attend a university. Nigerians always want the short road to success and that is why this country will continue to lack the required capacity to to move the country forward. Round pegs in square holes everywhere you look.

simple87:
While I acknowledge your perspective, I do share a different view though, every professionals involve in the patient care are important because they collaborate with each other to improve the outcome. That said, the medical consultant still remain the head of the multidisciplinary team and should endeavour to take input from other professionals including the Pharmacist who is knowledgeable in drugs and drug interactions to improve the outcome, this is the way it is being practiced in the developed world. There should be mutual respect and not a show of ego, afterall they are all in the service because of the patient. A Pharmacist spending 6 years would study more courses before graduating thereby having more depth in patient care that ultimately improve outcome which also add to the success story of the team, therefore why should anyone be against this.

Every professional title we earn as humans come with sacrifice. If u want to be address & earn same pay as a medical doctor then go study it & not trying to get it through the back door. What u are trying to say is a catechist can be addressed as a Rev. Father & earn equal pay simply because they complement each other within the same field, things don't work that way.

Tflex01:
Lol

Brother what happened?
It's been long since I saw your post on the cryptto thread.

calebify1:
The problem is that the Nigerian system has so twisted the thinking of many people that they don’t even know what is proper or what is obtainable outside Nigeria. I saw someone arguing over the use of the “Doctor” title, and another claiming that pharmacists can’t diagnose or manage patients, na there them just goof

Trying to explain or reason with someone who believes they know everything is simply not worth the effort. The issue is that doctors in Nigeria are fighting over the so-called title because they see themselves as the bosses in the healthcare team.

In reality, the entire healthcare team should work collaboratively to ensure the patient achieves the best possible outcome—not to prove who is superior or who had more training.

In the UK, for instance, there are nurse practitioners who can play the role of a doctor, albeit with certain restrictions. You’re even advised to visit your pharmacist for certain conditions, and if it’s beyond them, they refer you to a general practitioner. There are also clinical pharmacists in hospitals who collaborate with medical teams on specific cases. Everyone has their role.

But in Nigeria, we’re always dragging issues that make no sense. It’s always a power tussle—every single time.
Una go dey alright

You're wrong bro...
The problem is with some professionals in the country, especially the pharmacist. you guys are not satisfied with your job description. I got information that you guys are being stirred against doctors by your lecturers. Just imagine how stupid it is for a pharmacy lecturer to be teaching "hatred for doctors" during their lecture hours. No na. It makes no sense at all.

If doctors don't encroach into your profession because they understand their job description and respect your roles in the hospital, why then do u guys want to do otherwise.

advanceDNA:
Hahahahah!! ..Love in sharing...?? what kind of dirty justification is this? You are just doing one sided argument with pharmacist, failing to see this is a move aimed at getting the same pay scale as medical doctors without doing the job of doctors....even PhD holders in other niche are not in same pay scale as doctors.....

..I asked. what happened to other degrees in the medical niche...why don't y'all start giving doctors and start paying them same salary ...

Where do we draw the line...Why don't we start giving doctor titles to accountant, biochemist, microbiologist, ...

And yes pharmacist are drug scientist...if they want academic Dr title they should go and get PhD..

Oga stop saying rubbish, so all these your argument is because of salary.
Other professions should be allowed to grow.
You can enjoy the bogus salary, no body cares.

cutefy:
Did I hear you clearly on that statement of yours? I don't think so. For your information, those courses you mentioned are Basic medical sciences... not even clinical sciences. That's if at all the full regional anatomy is being taught in pharm school.

Even though pharmacology is considered as a basic clinical science in some medical schools, it is done together with Pathology. And you need to pass those two departments in order to cross to the clinical level.

The clinical level is way higher than what can be taught and mastered under one year my brother. Just imagine, dealing with paediatrics, ObsGyn, Surgery and Internal medicine (with their various units), not to talk of other specialties like ENT, Dermatology, Ophthalmology, Mental health... all these under one year? Haba. No na.

My brother forget that matter, ARD is a strong voice in the medical profession and they are working hard to protect the nobel profession.

Give the doctors their due respect and if truly you like their prestige, then nothing stops you from going thru medical school.

Dr. Should be reserved for PhD holders only. Everyone else (MBBS, Pharm., etc) should display their qualifications if they so much take pride in it.

You were given admission to study MBBS and MBBS is displayed on your certificate. Go and rest if you don't know you borrowed Dr lexicon from PhDs.

Betanaija42moro:
Oga stop saying rubbish, so all these your argument is because of salary.
Other professions should be allowed to grow.
You can enjoy the bogus salary, no body cares.

Guy calm down... He's not saying rubbish.
No body stops a pharmacist from growing... But in your quest for professional growth, stay in your job description. Simple

advanceDNA:
But Pharmacist don't do half of what doctors do
Pharmacist training and education isn't even up to half of the volume of what doctors have to go thru...
.why on earth will they be fighting for same medical doctor title and pay grade ...

Even those with PhD in academics can be saying they wan same pay grade with a consultant oncologist or gynaecologist. its absurd...they don't do the same thing

..sounds like witchcraft to me...

You really lack knowledge of what you are saying. Please stop displaying your ignorance in the public.
The Pharmacist are not fighting to be Medical Doctors but Doctor of Pharmacy (Pharm D)
The word Dr is not owned by any profession.

Ebubu:
Dr. Should be reserved for PhD holders only. Everyone else (MBBS, Pharm., etc) should display their qualifications if they so much take pride in it.

You were given admission to study MBBS and MBBS is displayed on your certificate. Go and rest if you don't know you borrowed Dr lexicon from PhDs.

Turn to your dictionary and look up the word "doctor" for a better comprehension.

Or maybe I should help you out for free...


...cont of the definition of a doctor
4. Dentist


Then also look up the term "Pharmacist"
Again, I'll help you out for free