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adioolayi:
We have said it before...

Doctor of Medicine is a double degree... Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery...

It's wrong to equate just one degree because of 1year internship to Doctor level.


They are not same.

I don't know what you guys are fighting for. All these na professional doctorate degree.
A professional doctorate degree is an advanced degree that focuses on the practical application of knowledge and skills in a specific professional field, rather than academic research. It is designed for working professionals who want to advance their careers through applied research and practice, rather than pursuing a traditional PhD focused on theoretical research.

Key Features:

Focuses on real-world problems in the profession.


Examples of Professional Doctorate Degrees:

1. Doctor of Medicine (MD) – for physicians.


2. Doctor of Dental Surgery (DDS) or Doctor of Dental Medicine (DMD) – for dentists.


3. Doctor of Education (EdD) – for educators and administrators.


4. Doctor of Business Administration (DBA) – for business professionals.


5. Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) – for advanced practice nurses.


6. Doctor of Public Health (DrPH) – for public health professionals.


7. Doctor of Pharmacy (PharmD) – for pharmacists.


8. Doctor of Psychology (PsyD) – for clinical psychologists.

Ikaeniyan0:
Anybody that's not satisfied should resign

You be werey I swear, this your comment off me 😆 🤣 😂

Betanaija42moro:
You really lack knowledge of what you are saying. Please stop displaying your ignorance in the public.
The Pharmacist are not fighting to be Medical Doctors but Doctor of Pharmacy (Pharm D)
The word Dr is not owned by any profession.

Well done we have seen you ......ur insult doesn't change the fact that one profession just woke up asking for the accolades of another profession...

That's how OND and HND started shouting they want Bachelors

....all u people are shouting is pharmacist, the articles also spoke about physiotherapy and optometry...
I asked ....where do y'all draw the line...is everybody in the medical niche now a doctor?

..at the end of the day ... pharmacist are drug scientists....if they want Dr by force they should go and get PhD....

Ebubu:
Dr. Should be reserved for PhD holders only. Everyone else (MBBS, Pharm., etc) should display their qualifications if they so much take pride in it.

You were given admission to study MBBS and MBBS is displayed on your certificate. Go and rest if you don't know you borrowed Dr lexicon from PhDs.

But a doctor's education continues long after MBBS. That is the huge difference. Even after graduating they still need long period of very low-income, long hours training to actually practice medicine. Not so with Pharmacy and others

mrsqueen:
https://businessday.ng/news/article/resident-doctors-kick-as-nuc-upgrades-pharmacy-physiotherapy-optometry-to-doctor-status/

But optometry has always been awarded as doctor of optometry

Betanaija42moro:
I don't know what you guys are fighting for. All these na professional doctorate degree.
A professional doctorate degree is an advanced degree that focuses on the practical application of knowledge and skills in a specific professional field, rather than academic research. It is designed for working professionals who want to advance their careers through applied research and practice, rather than pursuing a traditional PhD focused on theoretical research.

Key Features:

Focuses on real-world problems in the profession.


Examples of Professional Doctorate Degrees:

1. Doctor of Medicine (MD) – for physicians.


2. Doctor of Dental Surgery (DDS) or Doctor of Dental Medicine (DMD) – for dentists.


3. Doctor of Education (EdD) – for educators and administrators.


4. Doctor of Business Administration (DBA) – for business professionals.


5. Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) – for advanced practice nurses.


6. Doctor of Public Health (DrPH) – for public health professionals.


7. Doctor of Pharmacy (PharmD) – for pharmacists.


8. Doctor of Psychology (PsyD) – for clinical psychologists.

What they are fighting for is who is to be called "doctor" - so as not to confuse the public or have people falsely claim to be drug-prescribing doctors. It takes very long period of training to become a medical doctor independently prescribing medicine and I think the public ought know the only people called "doctor" are those with that qualification (except PhD holders).

Ebubu3:
A Pharmacist's title in the USA is Dr. And after his name he puts a bracket (Pharm.D)


Medical Doctors are not the owners of Dr title. What they were admitted to study is MBBS and not Dr. Show me proof they were admitted to study Dr. and Dr. was written on their admission letter. Rather it was Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery.

The real Dr. are the Ph.D holders and it is called Dr of Philosophy (Ph.D). Yet they don't get angry that medical doctors call themselves Dr that they didn't study for because what they studied is MBBS.

There is love in sharing.

Like I said, Dr title does not belong to anyone and in America, Pharmacists are referred to as Dr with (Pharm.D) in bracket



There is something called "healthcare team collaboration", read up on it.

Pharmacists study Biochemistry, Pharmacology, Anatomy, Physiology, so what do you study that we don't study ?


Pharmacists education in Rx school is being expanded to 6 years to incorporate clinical and patient-oriented education and clinical care, hence the introduction of the prefix Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

In USA, Medical Doctors write their name as Dr. followed by (MD). Pharmacists Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

That is how it is done because they're both clinical scholars.

Your writeup sounds bitter, or is jealousy the right word here?

Title shouldn't bother anyone. What should be of interest is improved learning
However, you compared Nigeria with US in terms of title, how about in terms of salaries?

cutefy:
Guy calm down... He's not saying rubbish.
No body stops a pharmacist from growing... But in your quest for professional growth, stay in your job description. Simple

Does doing a Doctor of Pharmacy (Pharm D) change their job description?
Remember we have Doctor of Dentistry, Vet Doctors and they are still within their job descriptions.
There is nothing bad in allowing other professions to grow.

Examples of Professional Doctorate Degrees:

1. Doctor of Medicine (MD) – for physicians.


2. Doctor of Dental Surgery (DDS) or Doctor of Dental Medicine (DMD) – for dentists.


3. Doctor of Education (EdD) – for educators and administrators.


4. Doctor of Business Administration (DBA) – for business professionals.


5. Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) – for advanced practice nurses.


6. Doctor of Public Health (DrPH) – for public health professionals.


7. Doctor of Pharmacy (PharmD) – for pharmacists.


8. Doctor of Psychology (PsyD) – for clinical psychologists.

Betanaija42moro:
Does doing a Doctor of Pharmacy (Pharm D) change their job description?
Remember we have Doctor of Dentistry, Vet Doctors and they are still within their job descriptions.
There is nothing bad in allowing other professions to grow.

Examples of Professional Doctorate Degrees:

1. Doctor of Medicine (MD) – for physicians.


2. Doctor of Dental Surgery (DDS) or Doctor of Dental Medicine (DMD) – for dentists.


3. Doctor of Education (EdD) – for educators and administrators.


4. Doctor of Business Administration (DBA) – for business professionals.


5. Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) – for advanced practice nurses.


6. Doctor of Public Health (DrPH) – for public health professionals.


7. Doctor of Pharmacy (PharmD) – for pharmacists.


8. Doctor of Psychology (PsyD) – for clinical psychologists.

U ddnt add biochem D, microbio D, Nurse D, Anatom D, Physiolo D......

Everybody needs Dr to grow....

QuinQ:
What they are fighting for is who is to be called "doctor" - so as not to confuse the public or have people falsely claim to be drug-prescribing doctors. It takes very long period of training to become a medical doctor independently prescribing medicine and I think the public ought know the only people called "doctor" are those with that qualification (except PhD holders).

Oga....let everybody be called doctor ooo.....

I kuku like HND pple ...they have successfully taken BSc..... They will soon ask for Dr title too when they finish their diploma

advanceDNA:
U ddnt add biochem D, microbio D, Nurse D, Anatom D, Physiolo D......

Everybody needs Dr to grow....

Go and do your research.
No profession owns the title Doctor

Proudlyngwa:
Oga rest
What you are calling Doctor is just a general physician

Rest

Don't be surprised that he's just a 200-Level medical student.

Betanaija42moro:
Go and do your research.
No profession owns the title Doctor

They ought pass a law that only medical doctors and those with terminal degrees (PhD's) can be addressed as, and use the title "doctor", otherwise people will surely die from all sorts of "doctors" deceiving people

I supported NUC on this totally and there is nothing NMA can do about it. If dey like, let them go and hung transformer

Betanaija42moro:
Go and do your research.
No profession owns the title Doctor

No be fight naa...I only said u should add other courses in thee medical niche abi na only pharmacy deserve D

Very egotistic bunch!

These people are only after their overblown egos! The doctor title for other healthcare professionals has no negative effects on their practices as physicians! It only helps other healthcare professionals to improve their clinical knowledge all to the advantage of first the patients and even the physicians!

The practice has become essential parts of healthcare in different parts of the world from the USA, UK, Europe, Asia and many other African countries including our nearest neighbors; Ghana, Gambia etc.

I wouldn't know whether to term NARD's stand on this matter as IGNORANCE or is it outright wickedness!? Because, like the Pharm.D aspect which aims to train clinically oriented Pharmacists who get closer to and involved in patients' medications management. This development has helped in no small measures to help patients get the best of their medications, identify and prevent medication errors, drug -drug interactions, drug-food interactions and drug-disease interactions. The benefit is that:

1. Patients save more funds by avoiding unnecessary drugs and using just the exact drugs and quantity he or she needs while on hospital admission

2. Dangerous drug interactions are identified and nipped in the buds by clinical Pharmacists, thus saving the patients from drug-related injuries and deaths!

3. Duration of hospital stays are minimized as Clinical Pharmacists help physicians avoid trial and error prescriptions which are currently the order of the day in most of our hospitals!

During my internship in a teaching hospital in the east, I wept for our unsuspecting health-seeking Nigerians because I witnessed daily wastage of funds by patients as relates to their medications! One medical doctor would come in the morning and write alot of medications for the patient on admission, the Patient's care giver would run helter skelter, gather funds and come to pharmacy to buy those drugs. The doctor would start administering those drugs and halfway, maybe when another doctor comes on duty, he or she would cancel all the previous prescriptions and write different drugs all together only for the Patient's relatives to start running around for funds again. At the end of the day, so much money is spent treating an ailment that could have been taking care of with simpler medications.

The whole scenario boils down to a major challenge which is currently facing our healthcare system. I believe this challenge has to do with POOR DIAGNOSIS of patients' conditions before even giving medications. Yet our medical doctors don't care about getting things right with DIAGNOSIS before deliving into not-so-familiar terrain of pharmacotherapy (treatment with drugs)!

Well meaning Nigerians should prevail on NMA, NARD, MDCAN, medical elders and educators to direct more efforts towards getting diagnosis of diseases right! Our political leaders should also lend their voices and efforts in that direction. Go to our hospitals today, many people have been sick for years without the medical doctors pinpointing what their sicknesses are but they only indulge in blindly loading these patients with medications in a trial and error manner without the patients recovering! That's what you get when physicians abandon their areas of strength while dragging spaces in areas where they're poorly trained!

Our political leaders need to stop allowing themselves bullied by NMA and their cohorts! No wonder they're now quick to whip up the sentiments of Nigerian doctors being the most sought after in the japa episodes. Whenever they want to bully the federal government into pandering to their inordinate demands, they come up with the japa threats. But call for applications from medical doctors even to any of the primary healthcare centers, they'll apply in their numbers! I witnessed it recently so I'm not saying what I don't know!

advanceDNA:
No be fight naa...I only said u should add other courses in thee medical niche abi na only pharmacy deserve D

We have others already, Doctor of Dentistry, Optometry, Veterinary Medicine, Pharmacy, Physiotherapy, and recently approved Medical Laboratory Science (DMLS). More will still come in the future.
Is not a crime. Every profession need to grow, like we have in the developed countries.

Title craze country!

Inferiority complex
Envy and jealousy
Backdoor to becoming Dr without PhD
Some wanted to become medical doctors but somehow are unable.

When sick these pseudo-drs see the real doctors o!

An optometrist "Dr" put MD in front of his name. When asked what it meant he replied "Managing Director"

Who does a sick person basically come to see in the hospital?

Who do sick Nigerians basically go to see in hospitals abroad?

Corruption has made it all possible!

Worse scenarios on the way!

advanceDNA:
Collaboration?? This is funny..... How does dispensing drugs you are told dispense make your job the same as those who determine if the drug is needed and even have to cut pple open to save them?

6 years.?? Are they the only ones spending many years in school......how does the six years equate to what physicians have to learn and train for to become consultants ...
Google is your friend ....pharmacist course content in their whole years in school doesn't measure up to what doctors learn in 100level to ordinary first MB exam , let alone clinicals (part 4-6).....

Until pharmacist can cut into brain, a heart, the stomach, to fix a person, ....combine a lot a physiological, biochemical, and anatomical ques to determine what's up with a patient, claiming they should get paid the same as professional who clearly do more than them is a comic relief

You are definitely a jambite with this infantile reasoning.
Please go out and touch the grass

Meta AI says

A doctor is a medical professional who has completed a degree in medicine and is licensed to practice medicine, diagnose, and treat patients. Doctors can work in various settings, including hospitals, clinics, and private practices, and may specialize in different areas of medicine, such as:
- *Primary care*: Family medicine, internal medicine, pediatrics
- *Surgical specialties*: Surgery, orthopedic surgery, neurosurgery
- *Medical specialties*: Cardiology, oncology, neurology
- *Other specialties*: Psychiatry, dermatology, ophthalmology

Doctors play a crucial role in maintaining public health, preventing diseases, and improving the quality of life for individuals and communities.

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In the context of patient care in hospital settings!

The other doctor is a PhD holder
This is academic not professional

Ask Meta AI

Ebubu3:
A Pharmacist's title in the USA is Dr. And after his name he puts a bracket (Pharm.D)


Medical Doctors are not the owners of Dr title. What they were admitted to study is MBBS and not Dr. Show me proof they were admitted to study Dr. and Dr. was written on their admission letter. Rather it was Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery.

The real Dr. are the Ph.D holders and it is called Dr of Philosophy (Ph.D). Yet they don't get angry that medical doctors call themselves Dr that they didn't study for because what they studied is MBBS.

There is love in sharing.

Like I said, Dr title does not belong to anyone and in America, Pharmacists are referred to as Dr with (Pharm.D) in bracket



There is something called "healthcare team collaboration", read up on it.

Pharmacists study Biochemistry, Pharmacology, Anatomy, Physiology, so what do you study that we don't study ?


Pharmacists education in Rx school is being expanded to 6 years to incorporate clinical and patient-oriented education and clinical care, hence the introduction of the prefix Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

In USA, Medical Doctors write their name as Dr. followed by (MD). Pharmacists Dr. followed by (Pharm.D).

That is how it is done because they're both clinical scholars.

omojeesu:
Title craze country!

Inferiority complex
Envy and jealousy
Backdoor to becoming Dr without PhD
Some wanted to become medical doctors but somehow are unable.

When sick these pseudo-drs see the real doctors o!

An optometrist "Dr" put MD in front of his name. When asked what it meant he replied "Managing Director"

Who does a sick person basically come to see in the hospital?

Who do sick Nigerians basically go to see in hospitals abroad?

Corruption has made it all possible!

Worse scenarios on the way!

I think the Nigerian medical doctors are the ones having insecurities here just because they never knew that the Dr title is not their exclusive preserve!

For your information, my humble self qualified for admission into medicine and surgery but chose pharmacy instead. I also thought I could just study my pharmacy within 5years, graduate and start making money but only got to know I was in for a 6years Pharm.D program when I got into the university.

So, don't you and other insecure medical doctors go thinking that pharmacists are not comfortable in our professions but standards just have to be followed!

Or is it only in matters that concern your selfish desires that you Nigerian medical doctors remember to adhere to your much-talked-about INTERNATIONAL BEST PRACTICES?

MindHacker9009:
When it comes to prescribing the best medication pharmacist are the best

On the basis of what diagnosis?
Nigerian nonsense actually!

Check Wikipedia and Meta AI for who a Doctor is when it comes to patient care in a hospital or clinic setting....

I am sorry for Nigerians!

The last time you were sick who did you go to see in the hospital?

Jman06:
I think the Nigerian medical doctors are the ones having insecurities here just because they never knew that the Dr title is not their exclusive preserve!

For your information, my humble self qualified for admission into medicine and surgery but chose pharmacy instead. I also thought I could just study my pharmacy within 5years, graduate and start making money but only got to know I was in for a 6years Pharm.D program when I got into the university.

So, don't you and other insecure medical doctors go thinking that pharmacists are not comfortable in our professions but standards just have to be followed!

Or is it only in matters that concern your selfish desires that you Nigerian medical doctors remember to adhere to your much-talked-about INTERNATIONAL BEST PRACTICES?

Yankee101:
Optometrists and Physiotherapists are doctors in other countries. Why are Nigerian doctors this territorial?
One heals your eyes and the other heals your body, why are they not doctors?

Vulcanizers, battery chargers, panel beaters, etc are mechanics abi?

The funny NUCmembers when sick who do they go to see in the hospital here and abroad?

QuinQ:
They ought pass a law that only medical doctors and those with terminal degrees (PhD's) can be addressed as, and use the title "doctor", otherwise people will surely die from all sorts of "doctors" deceiving people

But with your MBBS, you still address yourselves as Dr Ordinary bachelors degree o

To think that most of us don't even fancy bearing the doctor title sef even when we're fully qualified to! Yet these our local MBBS holders are getting worked up about it!

Just allow me make my evidence-based contributions to patients' medications management and pay me commensurate wage for that. You can go ahead and eat the Dr title!

omojeesu:
The last time you were sick who did you go to see in the hospital?

Well, let me burst your bubble: I give myself the best treatment only few medical doctors can administer. I have never been sick to the point of needing an MBBS "Dr"

Jman06:
But with your MBBS, you still address yourselves as Dr Ordinary bachelors degree o

You know full well it's no ordinary bachelor's. Bachelor's don't take 7 years. Plus your real training starts after that. This is about human life. All it takes to kill a person is for one "doctor" trying to live up to the "doctor" everyone thinks he is.

* I'm not a doctor

basadenet:
I supported NUC on this totally and there is nothing NMA can do about it. If dey like, let them go and hung transformer

Until your relative gets killed by some pharmacist trying to live up to the "doctor" people have been fooled he is!