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| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by Jman06(m): 11:54pm On May 11, 2025 |
QuinQ:You're not a doctor! So you're clearly typing out of ignorance! In the hospital setting, everybody knows their positions and what they are employed to do. The doctor of pharmacy for instance knows that his focus is on drugs and how his interactions with patients, physicians, nurses and other healthcare professionals should center around medications. Ultimately he helps the patients get the best of their drug therapy. That is what a doctor of pharmacy would do in a hospital setting. Even if he uses the Dr title, it is going to be indicated in his ward coat as "Pharm.D". Physicians all over the world work in harmony with doctors of pharmacy (without complaints) as that has become the minimum requirement for every pharmacist. Nigeria cannot be an exception! It is just big ego that is driving the NARD guys to go against other healthcare professionals using the Dr title Q.E.D. A group of people that even cry by mere seeing people wear lab coats! Can you beat that! To them, lab coat is now an exclusive regalia for medical doctors! Imagine such display of ignorance! |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by QuinQ: 12:29am On May 12, 2025 |
Jman06:Overseas they are NOT called doctor neither do they use the title! No one calls lawyers doctor in US neither do they use the title - yet ALL lawyers in US have JD including Biden (but his wife was called doctor - PhD). Pharmacists are called Pharmacists not doctor! That's how you avoid confusion! Nigeria cannot be an exception. This is human life we're talking about! |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by LabStores: 3:16am On May 12, 2025 |
MindHacker9009:But that's their job! They shouldn't have any compliment for it. It's like saying when it comes to doing lab test, mlt or mls are the best. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by LabStores: 3:35am On May 12, 2025*. Modified: 4:00am On May 12, 2025 |
advanceDNA:Lol Dey play ![]() What doctors are fighting for is not just the title in my opinion. They are also fighting for responsiblity and VALUE! How much of responsibilities does a pharmacist have compared to a doctor in hospital settings? How much of value do they give? Yes, pharmacists study a lot to get their title, but what do they use it to do at the end of the day in terms of responsibilities in the hospital settings? Do they work as much as the doctors? If you agree they don't, why should they earn more as the doctors? And we all know they don't even study as much as MBBS do... Will you say it's because they went through complex and long training too to become pharmacists, so they should earn equally too? What about the engineers too? I don't even think pharmacists go through half of what some engineers go through in school... There's little or no cramming in real engineering o... You must know and understand methods to pass exams... When you see COMPLEX and advance further math and math methods, your body go shake!!! Doctors know that when all these other professionals start bearing the same title with them, the next thing is that they'll start asking for equal salaries - what they don't merit (ratio and not amount). They'll also start asking to becoming CMDs... Cc: Ebubu3, QuinQ, Okaydaddy, Ebubu7, Simple87, Dalohad |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by advanceDNA: 3:49am On May 12, 2025 |
SOLADEMIABIODUN:Yawn...u nor get point |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by QuinQ: 4:36am On May 12, 2025 |
LabStores:It's not really about pay for me. As a non-doctor, to me it is confusing and dangerous. If a pharmacist introduces himself to me as doctor, I'll assume he is a medical doctor. Can't we see there is a huge loophole for deception and fraud there and we're talking people's lives and health not some non-serious stuff |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by Jman06(m): 5:32am On May 12, 2025*. Modified: 5:59am On May 12, 2025 |
QuinQ:Your ignorance is still glaring from your post. You're not 'overseas" obviously! In the US, Canada, Australia etc, they bear the Dr title, with Pharm.D added to indicate their field. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by Jman06(m): 5:52am On May 12, 2025 |
LabStores:insecurities at it's peak! Let the CMDs and other hospital administrators give them the freehand to operate and get involved in patients medication management! For now they're comfortable in having them confined to pharmacy rooms and handing out drugs to patients even if what they're giving out is poison prescribed by the medical doctors. In most Nigerian public hospitals, medical doctors control the scope of operation of other healthcare professionals! So, that nullifies your assertion that hospital pharmacists make little contribution to patients management. That is the reason why the improved qualifications and remunerations are very apt, let's see if that would somehow compel you physicians and hospital managers to allow these professionals exert their full professional responsibilities to the patients. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by QuinQ: 7:33am On May 12, 2025*. Modified: 2:06pm On May 12, 2025 |
Jman06:See lying o. Go to a pharmacy in US and call the pharmacist "doctor" and see if people won't look at you like crazy. See below
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| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by KOE1(m): 7:38am On May 12, 2025 |
But the Dr. here is not PhD, but to recognize them as clinically orientation professionals. Why the bitterness? |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by Dalohad: 7:46am On May 12, 2025 |
LabStores:1). First and foremost, what is your profession? 2.) Why hasn't it the 'doctor' caused problems for medical and health professionals in those country that invented and developed modern medicine? |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by advanceDNA: 7:56am On May 12, 2025*. Modified: 8:30am On May 12, 2025 |
Jman06:free hand to operate...?? Please sir, what does this even mean.....is a professional supposed to be given responsibility more than their training...?? Should all professionals in the medical niche be given free hand or this is just a pharmacist thing?? Biochemist also have to learn plenty pathways similar to pharmacist...they do pharmacology, and xenobiotics and other drug related training, does that mean they will now be given free hand to operate into part of the niche of a pharmacist? Biochemistry is also know part of what medical dotors lean in college..should biochemist be given free hand as well in patient care because they know one part of what medical doctors know?? I'm just asking?? Or is this just a pharmacy thing?? Pharmacist are drug/scientist, that's the scope of their educational training.....their training is limited....just like other medical professionals like microbiology and biochemistry are limited... .. they are not trained to manage patient care, as it relates physiological and anatomical responses, surgery etc. So yes, their role in patient care will be limited... Making it look like it's a wrong for pharamcist to be limited to the drug area is a bad thing is absurd .. Jman06:again.. u say this like it's a bad thing........medical doctors went through a much broader/robust education and clinical training to manage this scope... Maybe NUC should expand the scope of pharmacy training from college to clinical level..... Nurses are even more involved in patient care than pharmacist because some of their training covers it..and that why they do some minor surface surgeries in the UK e.g removal of surface lump like lipoma and other non-cancerous external skin growth..... Jman06:again they are drug scientist ....their contribution should be systemically little in patient managemen Jman06:then this just about getting money in the first place and not really about patient care because putting a Dr title or paying them more than doctors won't make them more competent to handle what medical doctors handle... Like I said Maybe NUC should make their training robust enough if the aim is patient care and not competition for money they don't even work for.. Jman06:I can't overemphasize the fact that pharmacists are drug chemist or scientist. They are already exerting their responsibility based on their training.... Maybe u should enlighten me because no one knows it all......what training does pharmacist have that makes u think they are not fully exerting their responsibility?? Their core niche which is drug discovery and development....medical doctors, biochemist and biotechnologist are even more active than them in research which could lead new drugs that could improve patient treatment outcomes.... To me this is just a case of a worker who just feel they should get same pay with those that do far more than them because they spent similar years in college and work in the same compound |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by armadeo(m): 8:10am On May 12, 2025 |
QuinQ:To be honest thisbis where my issue lies. Nigerians do not know their limits. They'll start doing things they shouldn't be doing and causing harm in the long run. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by thesicilian: 8:15am On May 12, 2025 |
Dalohad:They're fighting for you and you're insulting them because you think you're being smart. With the level of corruption and lackadaisical nature of regulatory bodies in this country, don't be surprised when the Dr. Of Optometry starts treating and performing surgeries on your loved ones tomorrow just because your poor loved ones don't know the difference. When the issue of training complete illiterates and calling them auxiliary nurses started years ago, the nurses fought against it but ignorant Nigerians like you called them jealous, some even said they were better than the trained nurses. Today these same auxiliary nurses have become a menace to the society. You can air your uninformed opinions for likes on social media, but don't forget that even if you japa out of the country, you cannot go with every one of your family members. Some will be around to face the consequences. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by HaneefahRN(f): 8:26am On May 12, 2025 |
We like titles too much What's the need for everyone wanting Dr of stuffs? Not supporting the residents fighting for nonsense, no profession has a claim to the title. But then they end up making students spend more years in school for no reason. Our people too like title, Oyinbo sef even consultant will introduce himself as Mr/Miss |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by Ebubu: 8:39am On May 12, 2025 |
QuinQ:It seems you are now aware. What Doctors do that you call learning is "Residency". Pharmacists in hospitals do it too. If you don't have close people as Pharmacists, ask questions. The Pharmacists who don't don't it are Pharmacists in Community Retail Pharmacies. The Pharmacists in Industrial setting manufacturing drugs go ahead to obtain a Ph.D in Drug origins and research. Pharmacists in Hospital do Residency (in Anti retroviral, Obstetrics and Gynecology, Oncology, et cetera), Pharmacists in Hospital also enrol for West African Consultancy Education. So what do you mean Pharmacists don't commence post first degree learning in Hospital sector ? If you don't know ask questions, I am a Pharmacist and my kid sister is a Medical Doctor, My kid brother is a Medical Doctor, My brother in law married to my sister is a Medical Doctor. And what you call low income work while learning for Doctors is a fat lie. That income during Residency learning is still the highest among his peers in the medical line including Pharmacists, so what do you mean low income earning? Is 500k plus a month low to you? Be mindful. I know everything you think I don't know but you don't know anything about Pharmacists. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by Ebubu: 8:42am On May 12, 2025 |
cutefy:So Medical Doctors are the only Medical Practitioners ? That is what your dictionary referred it to as. Medical Practitioner is a broad term for the medical line. Abeg shift ! The law has been implemented by NUC who are Professors. I'm sure they did diligent consultation with Ministry of Health, Stakeholders and considered foreign practice setting especially the United States of America. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by Ebubu: 8:45am On May 12, 2025 |
cutefy:Show me where you license awarded your degree called Dr. and stop referring to Dictitonary. Was it not MBBS ? Who gave you authority to be called Doctor ? |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by Ebubu2: 9:02am On May 12, 2025 |
cutefy:Pharmacy training is now shifting from Product oriented into Patient oriented. Pharmacy students are now conducted on hours of ward rounds and all forms of drug therapy problems evaluated using the patients folder. Pharmacy learning is now 6 years and more clinical focused and patient oriented. Why are you averse to updates as they are in America ? All these things are for the betterment of the patient, when you have MD and PharmD going on rounds to evaluate your folder to ensure no mistakes. It's a win for the patient. If you hate it, resign from your job. Patient must be protected at the detriment of your ego and pride. Patient first, not Doctor first. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by Jman06(m): 9:34am On May 12, 2025 |
advanceDNA:I don't like going back and forth with someone who just wants to argue blindly for the sake of argument. They're drug 'scientists' simply shows your limited knowledge of the pharmacy profession! Go and start learning about pharmacy from history! Maybe after that you'll understand better. FYI, there's only a little comparison between Biochemistry you typed about and Pharmacy! I did both, so I know better! Stop comparing both because they're not same in scope. Pharmacy comprises 6 hefty departments and is both a science and an art. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by Jman06(m): 9:39am On May 12, 2025 |
QuinQ:Even your own screenshot shows that they're qualified to be addressed as "doctors"! The fact that the modest among them (like myself anyway) prefer to be addressed as pharmacists -- especially when they work in a hospital setting, doesn't change the fact that many of them bear the title. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by omojeesu(m): 9:48am On May 12, 2025 |
Jman06:Good for you! What about others? Who do they go to see in the Hospital? If you or your loved one are in need of surgery or surgical / obstetric emergency can you treat yourself and them..? Keep deceiving yourself.... |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by Dalohad: 9:52am On May 12, 2025 |
thesicilian:Are the Doctors of Pharmacy or Doctors or Clinical Laboratory Science performing surgeries on patients in the US or UK and other countries that the Nigerian medical and healthcare system looks up to and try to copy for development and advanced practice. Your excuse is flimsy.. You want to practice modern medicine, but you want others to practice stone-age pharmacy and dinosaur-age medical laboratory science, just to massage your ego? It is an ego thing, no truly functional justification for your stand against advancement of other medical professionals. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by advanceDNA: 10:04am On May 12, 2025 |
Jman06:Yeah ...I never said the comparison btw biochem and pharmacy isn't small..u are just deflecting.........I even said whateva the comparison is doesn't justify a biochemist encroaching the space of pharmacist or getting the pay or of a pharmacist .. Equally the comparison btw medicine and pharmacy is wide....and doesn't justify u doing the work of a medical doctor when it comes to patient care or getting their pay... If u don't have the training u shouldn't be in involved in patient care.........u can keep fighting for pay that u don't deserve by using NUC laws to get doctor title ....y'all don't care about patient care at the end of the day...cos u can't even mention the training that justify giving you free hand.. ...u just envy medical doctors and u can't even do their job |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by thesicilian: 10:11am On May 12, 2025 |
Dalohad:I'm not arguing with you bro, don't have that time. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by advanceDNA: 10:45am On May 12, 2025 |
omojeesu:Lol.... he's just deceiving himself....using paracetamol for headaches and treating malaria is what he's using to claim better than doctors....u can read the envy in their comment....They can't 5% do medical doctors' work but all they want doctors title and salary to make themselves feel better for going to school for many years as if na only them dey spend years in college They don't really care about patient care.....all a pharmacist knows, doctors know it ....but them no wan gree say doctors their oga.....they are angry doctors lead hospitals, are the commissioner of health, and so on... Their field which is drug discovery and development where they should shine and prove their worth in the medical niche that doctors cant heal without them, is lying fallow.... you will find more biochemist, biotechnologist and pathologist doing research up to clinical studies to come up with new therapeutic agents than pharmacist themselves... It's Dr titles they are all calling development.. |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by Jman06(m): 11:05am On May 12, 2025 |
advanceDNA:For crying out loud, pharmacists are not seeking to become medical doctors! It is mischievous for some of you to cling to that erroneous notion! The matter is that all over the world, roles of Pharmacists have evolved beyond just handing out drugs to patients to participating as a team in managing patients' medications therapy. That is not a physicians' area of training but a pharmacist's! Are you even aware that some of us who choose to study pharmacy qualified for admission into medicine but chose pharmacy instead due to interests? So, why should I envy medical doctors when I chose pharmacy on good purpose?? |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by advanceDNA: 11:34am On May 12, 2025 |
Jman06:of course u are not seeking to become medical doctors...u just want their accolade and pay scale.. Jman06:how can u say managing patients' medications and therapy isn't the job of medical doctors...yet u said u don't want a doctor's job... . Are u saying doctors aren't trained or qualified or have the education to manage patients' medications and therapy?? Jman06:Yeah....i'm aware... I'm also aware that many of you feel envy after see all you do dispense drugs after college......also, while u might have chosen pharmacy, doesn't change the fact that many of you were also dumped in pharmacy because u ddnt make medicine list... The real issue is that you pharmacist don't shine in your field of drug discovery and development in Nigeria ....and that's why you trying to claim doctors aren't qualified or it's not their job to manage patients' medications and therapy ...and that it's yours... |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by guiltless(m): 1:00pm On May 12, 2025 |
advanceDNA:WELL SAID CHIEF ![]() |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by guiltless(m): 1:08pm On May 12, 2025 |
Ebubu7:Do Pharmacists also study pathophysiology of diseases, pediatrics, surgery, internal medicine, obstetrics and gynecology?? |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by QuinQ: 1:37pm On May 12, 2025 |
Ebubu:I have both pharmacists and doctors. The doctors I know continued their training through residency, the pharmacists I know, graduation was the end. They then found a job with some company or govt |
| Re: Resident Doctors Oppose NUC As They Upgrade Pharmacy, Physiotherapy To 'Doctor' by QuinQ: 1:46pm On May 12, 2025 |
Ebubu:I know Pharmacists didn't go to medical school, neither do they treat nor diagnose patients, nor write prescriptions. Also getting into medical school is extremely competitive - I don't see any child say "I want to be a pharmacist when I grow up!"😁 |
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