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BlueRayDick:
Of course I know this, I was only pointing it out to that the only STEM courses that really guarantees u job based on the course u study are basically Medicine, few engineering courses,nursing, etc.

The rest na to follow non-STEM graduates drag the same career u ran away from. The career paths u badmouthed at some point

Of course, but for the conversation purely within the Nigerian context, if you're good enough to do STEM and do it well, it's probably better to do STEM knowing you would qualify for STEM and non-STEM jobs, instead of doing non-STEM and qualifying for only non-STEM jobs.

Shegzdave:
I feel most are not taking the environment (Nigeria) into consideration

You get.

Nigeria no be am for majority of STEM graduates. It gets worse if u are nit based in Lagos or states like Rivers and Abuja.

Theflint1:
Of course, but for the conversation purely within the Nigerian context, if you're good enough to do STEM and do it well, it's probably better to do STEM knowing you would qualify for STEM and non-STEM jobs, instead of doing non-STEM and qualifying for only non-STEM jobs.

Lolz 😂

But in terms of payment the non-STEM jobs actually pay well. So why bother urself? 🤷‍♂️

BlueRayDick:
Lolz 😂

But in terms of payment the non-STEM jobs actually pay well. So why bother urself? 🤷‍♂️

You're starting to be to STEM what Ibime is to non-STEM

If you get those highly competitive STEM jobs that are at par with their non-STEM counterparts, I think you get paid just as well, if not better.

BlueRayDick:
You get.

Nigeria no be am for majority of STEM graduates. It gets worse if u are nit based in Lagos or states like Rivers and Abuja.

Courses like Microbiology, fisheries zoology and the likes will get you little to nothing in Nigeria and a country where being born, you’re handicapped you have to choose courses that’ll elevate you in the long run

The environment is the major factor

Shegzdave:
Courses like Microbiology, fisheries zoology and the likes will get you little to nothing in Nigeria and a country where being born, you’re handicapped you have to choose courses that’ll elevate you in the long run

The environment is the major factor

Between Philosophy and Microbiology which one do you think elevate you in the long run. A microbiology working in his field can work in a hospital medical lab

Where does Sociology, Philosophy in their field work in Nigeria

Theflint1:
You're starting to be to STEM what Ibime is to non-STEM

If you get those highly competitive STEM jobs that are at par with their non-STEM counterparts, I think you get paid just as well, if not better.

You know this discussion is actually centered around making money from whatever career path u eventually choose and not just following Ur passion. I don't have anything against STEM at all.

I just seem to believe non-STEM in general gives u that job prospect and financial comfort compared to STEM.

BlueRayDick:
Lolz 😂

But in terms of payment the non-STEM jobs actually pay well. So why bother urself? 🤷‍♂️

The jobs that STEM can do, Non STEM cannot do it
The jobs Non STEM can do, STEM can also do it

So you are already at a disadvantage by studying Non STEM

E.g Non STEM cannot become production engineer at Cadbury nor be Microbiologist at LUTH

STEM can end up become CFO at Shell or be an HR director at FCMB

BlueRayDick:
You know this discussion is actually centered around making money from whatever career path u eventually choose and not just following Ur passion. I don't have anything against STEM at all.

I just seem to believe non-STEM in general gives u that job prospect and financial comfort compared to STEM.

How many non-STEM courses give you a decent amount of job opportunities post-graduation in the course you studied, and decent income while doing so?

Off the top of my head I can think of Law, Accountancy, and Banking and Finance. Maybe you can mention others.

joseph1832:
It's called TDB (Till Day Break?

Joelazo!

raumdeuter:
Some careers have way more opportunities that others don't. A first class in Philosophy, Adult education graduate will likely end up a lecturer

Can’t lie this is a solid point.

I think the key is to think more in terms of transferable skills instead of in terms of courses. A career path where the only skills you can sell is knowledge transfer is a particularly risky one. A nigga with a first class in philosophy would have to do some type of specialisation in Law to be able to sell skills to an audience willing to pay for it and you could argue that his philosophy degree is pointless then

Let me remix , "Become world class in a skill that people are willing to pay for".

Theflint1:
How many non-STEM courses give you a decent amount of job opportunities post-graduation in the course you studied, and decent income while doing so?

Off the top of my head I can think of Law, Accountancy, and Banking and Finance. Maybe you can mention others.

All these courses Science students in Secondary school can study it in University, Point any Social Science or Art student wey fit enter Engineering or Medicine

There are many CEO, CFO even head of HR in companies that had STEM as their first degree that is suppose to be a field for Social sciences

raumdeuter:
The jobs that STEM can do, Non STEM cannot do it
The jobs Non STEM can do, STEM can also do it

So you are already at a disadvantage by studying Non STEM

E.g Non STEM cannot become production engineer at Cadbury nor be Microbiologist at LUTH

STEM can end up become CFO at Shell or be an HR director at FCMB

Nobody is arguing whether STEM graduate can do non STEM course or not.

The bottom line is most of the jobs available in this country are in the non STEM sector. Nigeria is not a country where manufacturing thrives neither is itb country driven by science and technology. That is why u see engineers hustling for non STEM jobs.

In actual sense, the person who doesn't study STEM is not losing anything as far as getting job is concerned in Nigeria. Na when u commot Nigeria all that matter

Theflint1:
How many non-STEM courses give you a decent amount of job opportunities post-graduation in the course you studied, and decent income while doing so?

Off the top of my head I can think of Law, Accountancy, and Banking and Finance. Maybe you can mention others.

Lmao 😂

BlueRayDick:
Nobody is arguing whether STEM graduate can do non STEM course or not.

The bottom line is most of the jobs available in this country are in the non STEM sector. Nigeria is not a country where manufacturing thrives neither is itb country driven by science and technology. That is why u see engineers hustling for non STEM jobs.

In actual sense, the person who doesn't study STEM is not losing anything as far as getting job is concerned in Nigeria. Na when u commot Nigeria all that matter

In Nigeria they still advertize Process Engineer jobs in Oil companies, Reservoir Engineers, There are thousands of Doctors, and Medical people which Non Stem cannot even compete for

While the most jobs that should be the core for Non Stem e.g Banking, Accounting, even HR, STEM graduates will put themselves in it

When I wan enter banking like 70% of my induction class were STEM guys because they were able to pass aptitude tests while many of us were still keeping an eye out for Oil company Engineering jobs

BlueRayDick:
Lmao 😂

The keyword is decent amount of job opportunities, so the single HR grad getting a job in a structured company doesn't count.

Even using the STEM courses on Nigeria's shit list, you're better off studying any of microbiology, biochem, chemistry, physics, or even Zoology and Botany, than you are studying sociology, psychology, history, political science, ISD, or even HR sef. Speaking based on job opportunities available in these fields.

raumdeuter:
In Nigeria they still advertize Process Engineer jobs in Oil companies, Reservoir Engineers, There are thousands of Doctors, and Medical people which Non Stem cannot even compete for

While the most jobs that should be the core for Non Stem e.g Banking, Accounting, even HR, STEM graduates will put themselves in it

When I wan enter banking like 70% of my induction class were STEM guys because they were able to pass aptitude tests while many of us were still keeping an eye out for Oil company Engineering jobs

You are making my point for me.

You entered banking because the engineering jobs were not forthcoming as the non STEM jobs. I'm sure u would've wanted to work as a chemical engineer in an oil and gas company but how many oil companies dey Nigeria and how many engineering graduates can they absorb as at the time u were out of school?

I hope u also know that non STEM graduates work as legal officers, compliance offcers, accountants, treasury officers, HR, etc in the same oil and gas companies Sha?

So as STEM graduates dey work for non STEM roles, non STEM graduates sef dey see job for STEM based companies too. It's not a one way traffic

BlueRayDick:
You are making my point for me.

You entered banking because the engineering jobs were not forthcoming as the non STEM jobs. I'm sure u would've wanted to work as a chemical engineer in an oil and gas company but how many oil companies dey Nigeria and how many engineering graduates can they absorb as at the time u were out of school?

I hope u also know that non STEM graduates work as legal officers, compliance offcers, accountants, treasury officers, HR, etc in the same oil and gas companies Sha?

So as STEM graduates dey work for non STEM roles, non STEM graduates sef dey see job for STEM based companies too. It's not a one way traffic

The jobs they're seeing in these STEM-based companies are non-STEM jobs, and they sometimes are competing for these non-STEM jobs with STEM grads.

Theflint1:
The keyword is decent amount of job opportunities, so the single HR grad getting a job in a structured company doesn't count.

Even using the STEM courses on Nigeria's shit list, you're better off studying any of microbiology, biochem, chemistry, physics, or even Zoology and Botany, than you are studying sociology, psychology, history, political science, ISD, or even HR sef. Speaking based on job opportunities available in these fields.

Lolz.

U clearly only know about STEM. He say single HR graduate getting job.

HR graduate has a chance of getting job in Nigeria more than a graduate of Microbiology any day anytime. Do even know that no matter what business u transact in a company or how small the company is; there will always be job for HR person in that company? I mean Irrespective of the field the company operates, they need HR Person. But same cannot be said for a Microbiology graduate.

Theflint1:


The jobs they're seeing in these STEM-based companies are non-STEM jobs, and they sometimes are competing for these non-STEM jobs with STEM grads.

Dem get the job or dem no get the job? 🤷‍♂️

Na the koko be that. One would've thought non STEM graduates have no use at all in those STEM companies ni going by how Una dey cap since ni na

BlueRayDick:
You are making my point for me.

You entered banking because the engineering jobs were not forthcoming as the non STEM jobs. I'm sure u would've wanted to work as a chemical engineer in an oil and gas company but how many oil companies dey Nigeria and how many engineering graduates can they absorb as at the time u were out of school?

I hope u also know that non STEM graduates work as legal officers, compliance offcers, accountants, treasury officers, HR, etc in the same oil and gas companies Sha?

So as STEM graduates dey work for non STEM roles, non STEM graduates sef dey see job for STEM based companies too. It's not a one way traffic

Some of my mates were able to enter these Oil companies as Engineers, those of us that couldn't went into Non Engineering roles and found our place

In Oil companies there are many non STEM roles like Accountant, HR etc. that are open to everyone. You will find everyone competing for them STEM and non STEM

raumdeuter:
Some of my mates were able to enter these Oil companies as Engineers, those of us that couldn't went into Non Engineering roles and found our place

In Oil companies there are many non STEM roles like Accountant, HR etc. that are open to everyone. You will find everyone competing for them STEM and non STEM

Na the same thing we dey talk.

Na non STEM based companies work plenty pass in Nigeria . Not studying STEM doesn't put u at any disadvantage. Just be smart and u will get good job placement even in oil and gas company as a non STEM graduate.

EOD!

BlueRayDick:
Lolz.

U clearly only know about STEM. He say single HR graduate getting job.

HR graduate has a chance of getting job in Nigeria more than a graduate of Microbiology any day anytime. Do even know that no matter what business u transact in a company or how small the company is; there will always be job for HR person in that company? I mean Irrespective of the field the company operates, they need HR Person. But same cannot be said for a Microbiology graduate.

Almost every food and/or chemical production facility needs at least one microbilogist, and one chemist on site to perform qualitative and quantitative analysis at different points within the production cycle...think diapers, biscuit, indomie, custard, soft drinks, alcohol, drugs, cereals...pretty much all consumables and non-consumables that interface with the body needs microbiology and chemistry professionals doing their thing.

So in truth, there are a fair amount of jobs available for these guys out there. I've not even mentioned the jobs in the health sector, or agric...so there are jobs for these guys. The problem I see is a lot of these jobs don't pay well, hence you'd find graduates from these courses branding out post-graduation.

Na recently HR jobs begin mainstream, a lot of companies still get by without needing HR professionals, or sometimes they just look for some senior admin staff to handle on-boarding and either outsource recruitment, or wing it in-house.

BlueRayDick:
Na the same thing we dey talk.

Na non STEM based companies work plenty pass in Nigeria . Not studying STEM doesn't put u at any disadvantage. Just be smart and u will get good job placement even in oil and gas company as a non STEM graduate.

EOD!

The non-STEM jobs that are plenty are in a few non-STEM disciplines, and the non-STEM grads of those disciplines don't have advantage over STEM grads for those roles so in essence it's immaterial.

The main point should be, outside of these jobs that's available for everybody, what are the course specific opportunities like in STEM, and non-STEM?

BlueRayDick:
Lolz.

U clearly only know about STEM. He say single HR graduate getting job.

HR graduate has a chance of getting job in Nigeria more than a graduate of Microbiology any day anytime. Do even know that no matter what business u transact in a company or how small the company is; there will always be job for HR person in that company? I mean Irrespective of the field the company operates, they need HR Person. But same cannot be said for a Microbiology graduate.

I no even know wetin I wan talk

But just to add I read Microbiology, but I have been doing HR for more than two years

Theflint1:
Almost every food and/or chemical production facility needs at least one microbilogist, and one chemist on site to perform qualitative and quantitative analysis at different points within the production cycle...think diapers, biscuit, indomie, custard, soft drinks, alcohol, drugs, cereals...pretty much all consumables and non-consumables that interface with the body needs microbiology and chemistry professionals doing their thing.

So in truth, there are a fair amount of jobs available for these guys out there. I've not even mentioned the jobs in the health sector, or agric...so there are jobs for these guys. The problem I see is a lot of these jobs don't pay well, hence you'd find graduates from these courses branding out post-graduation.

Na recently HR jobs begin mainstream, a lot of companies still get by without needing HR professionals, or sometimes they just look for some senior admin staff to handle on-boarding and either outsource recruitment, or wing it in-house.

I know what a microbiologist does and I know the sector their expertise is needed.(Manufacturing, health & medical, food & bevrages, etc)

You are only clinging onto straws if u want to claim a microbiologist has more job prospect than HR who can work in all the companies a microbiologist can work and even more like banks, fintech, law firms, etc.

AbokiWam:
I no even know wetin I wan talk

I read Microbiology, but I have been doing HR for two years

Case dismissed!

BlueRayDick:
I know what a microbiologist does and I know the sector their expertise is needed.

You are only clinging onto straws if u want to claim a microbiologist has more job prospect than HR who can work in all the companies a microbiologist can work and even more like banks, fintech, law firms, etc.

Even labs and government hospitals now reject microbiologists.

Association of Med lab fools dragged government to court..

Out of 140 of us that read microbiology, less than 10 of us de make us of the cert self

I dont know the origin of the arguement sha
Science courses are flexible
But Microbiology is useless

BlueRayDick:
Na the same thing we dey talk.

Na non STEM based companies work plenty pass in Nigeria . Not studying STEM doesn't put u at any disadvantage. Just be smart and u will get good job placement even in oil and gas company as a non STEM graduate.

EOD!

There are specfic STEM jobs which most non STEM are automatically disqualified for

Theyre are Specific Non STEM jobs which even STEM guys are qualified for. Data shows that STEM guys even get these jobs more than non STEM guys due to rigors of aptitude tests

STEM grad access to 90% of jobs including STEM and non STEM
Non STEM grad access to 60% of jobs which are just non STEM

The Maths favor the STEM guys here

Bye bye, hostages are reason Hamas is is still a thing,the strike was biblical, can't post much ,I dey avoid spam bot wahala.

BlueRayDick:
I know what a microbiologist does and I know the sector their expertise is needed.

You are only clinging onto straws if u want to claim a microbiologist has more job prospect than HR who can work in all the companies a microbiologist can work and even more like banks, fintech, law firms, etc.

A food production facility can have three microbiologists, and three chemists doing their thing, can even stretch to up to 6 per if it's a facility producing round the clock, yet they'd be making do with just one HR professional serving entire company.

There are HR jobs, but it's not a job that their employees are getting emoloyed in bulk, and sometimes their role gets handled by other admin staff.

AbokiWam:
Even labs and government hospitals now reject microbiologists.

Association of Med lab fools dragged government to court..

Out of 140 of us that read microbiology, less than 10 of us de make us of the cert self

I dont know the origin of the arguement sha
Science courses are flexible
But Microbiology is useless

Epp me tell theflint1 o, make e stop to dey grasp at straws