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There has been some chatter about a rift between Trump and Satanyahu.
I will defer any commentary until the conclusion of his trip to the Gulf.

-Lord

IMEI:
This is the problem with relying on wikipedia as a source

If you click on the footnote where it's said that TRF is made up of Lashkar and Hizb-ul-Mujahideen cadres and go to the source itself, you'll see just like I said, that the group's makeup goes beyond Lashkar-e-taiba and Hizb-ul-Mujahideen. It's made up of splinters of different groups and it's not a hardcore 'jihadist' group like you're attempting to potray

Secondly, your talking points are entirely Indian talking points. All you've said are what the Indian Government has said

Ordinarily, Lashkar-e-taiba claims responsibility for attacks and this time they didn't. India quickly blamed Pakistan for the attack by claiming they supported terror groups to carry it out. Pakistan cautioned India and called for an independent investigation which they ignored, before carrying out their attacks on Pakistan

The 'terror targets' the Indians attacked include mosques and centers that used to belong to Lashkar-e-taiba, but were taken over by the Pakistani Government years ago when they arrested Hafiz Saeed, the leader of Lashkar-e-taiba. India ended up killing regular civilians

You can blame Islam all you want, but the story of Kashmir is of a region that wants to stand on its own, separate from both India and Pakistan, but in the event it must choose between the two, it prefers Pakistan to India. This singular truth has made India to make Kashmir the most militarized place in the world, even more than Palestine. Of course, that comes with Indian brutality against Kashmiris and in response, an armed rebel movement which has been on for several decades

Dude, the bottom line still remains your beloved Resistance Front ( TRF) came out of two Islamic groups Lashkar-e-Taiba, and the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen. The splinter groups you have failed to mention..

You are clearly regurgitating the same thing the Pakistanis have been saying and trying to do, they tried to put the blame on a moderate group, a Kashmir based group The Resistance Front ( TRF), so as to limit the fall back, which later backfired as the nationality of the attackers were later determined to be Pakistani, hence rulling out The Resistance Front ( TRF) which later came out to cowardly deny responsibility blaming its on a communication breach, 😉 who does that??

The India government did their investigation and they name the culprits, which is the Lashkar-e-Taiba, stop spinning the whole issue, the Indians have done the there homework.

Everyone knows the Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Pakistan authorities are working together, hence the Pakistani ploy to distance the Lashkar-e-Taiba, from the attack..

obedience4:
Dude, the bottom line still remains your beloved Resistance Front ( TRF) came out of two Islamic groups Lashkar-e-Taiba, and the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen. The splinter groups you have failed to mention..

You are clearly regurgitating the same thing the Pakistanis have been saying and trying to do, they tried to put the blame on a moderate group, a Kashmir based group The Resistance Front ( TRF), so as to limit the fall back, which later backfired as the nationality of the attackers were later determined to be Pakistani, hence rulling out The Resistance Front ( TRF) which later came out to cowardly deny responsibility blaming its on a communication breach, 😉 who does that??

The India government did their investigation and they name the culprits, which is the Lashkar-e-Taiba, stop spinning the whole issue, the Indians have done the there homework.

Everyone knows the Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Pakistan authorities are working together, hence the Pakistani ploy to distance the Lashkar-e-Taiba, from the attack..

Once again, Indian talking points

You've made several assertions without providing any supporting evidence. Maybe I should take your word for it right?

Henceforth, when you attach screenshots, please provide links to the screenshots for objectivity sake

That guy can never agree to a superior argument. He will definitely respond to you again I am 100 percent sure. He can say anything to justify his malicious assertions.

He says :

Pakistan tried to put the blame on a moderate group, a Kashmir based group The Resistance Front ( TRF), so as to limit the fall back..

He forgot that TRF itself initially took credit for the attack and TRF blamed India not Pakistan when retracting their statement.

I think he lies so much that he begins to believe his own lies.

IMEI:
Once again, Indian talking points

You've made several assertions without providing any supporting evidence. Maybe I should take your word for it right?

Henceforth, when you attach screenshots, please provide links to the screenshots for objectivity sake

So because their nationality is Pakistani, they are sponsored by Pakistan? Kashmir is a predominantly Muslim society and it is natural that Kashmiris will prefer Pakistan to India.
However, Kashmiris want to be sovereign.

obedience4:
Dude, the bottom line still remains your beloved Resistance Front ( TRF) came out of two Islamic groups Lashkar-e-Taiba, and the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen. The splinter groups you have failed to mention..

You are clearly regurgitating the same thing the Pakistanis have been saying and trying to do, they tried to put the blame on a moderate group, a Kashmir based group The Resistance Front ( TRF), so as to limit the fall back, which later backfired as the nationality of the attackers were later determined to be Pakistani, hence rulling out The Resistance Front ( TRF) which later came out to cowardly deny responsibility blaming its on a communication breach, 😉 who does that??

The India government did their investigation and they name the culprits, which is the Lashkar-e-Taiba, stop spinning the whole issue, the Indians have done the there homework.

Everyone knows the Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Pakistan authorities are working together, hence the Pakistani ploy to distance the Lashkar-e-Taiba, from the attack..

Bigsam99:
That guy can never agree to a superior argument. He will definitely respond to you again I am 100 percent sure. He can say anything to justify his malicious assertions.

He says :

Pakistan tried to put the blame on a moderate group, a Kashmir based group The Resistance Front ( TRF), so as to limit the fall back..

He forgot that TRF itself initially took credit for the attack and TRF blamed India not Pakistan when retracting their statement.

I think he lies so much that he begins to believe his own lies.

I know the guy very well, we have a history

I once proved to him that Mandela supported and enabled violence in the anti-apartheid struggle after he disputed it. Instead of him to accept his error, he openly declared on this thread that he'd carryon believing that Mandela preached non-violence and used non-violent means

obedience4:
Dude, the bottom line still remains your beloved Resistance Front ( TRF) came out of two Islamic groups Lashkar-e-Taiba, and the Hizb-ul-Mujahideen. The splinter groups you have failed to mention..

You are clearly regurgitating the same thing the Pakistanis have been saying and trying to do, they tried to put the blame on a moderate group, a Kashmir based group The Resistance Front ( TRF), so as to limit the fall back, which later backfired as the nationality of the attackers were later determined to be Pakistani, hence rulling out The Resistance Front ( TRF) which later came out to cowardly deny responsibility blaming its on a communication breach, 😉 who does that??

The India government did their investigation and they name the culprits, which is the Lashkar-e-Taiba, stop spinning the whole issue, the Indians have done the there homework.

Everyone knows the Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Pakistan authorities are working together, hence the Pakistani ploy to distance the Lashkar-e-Taiba, from the attack..

You should be careful about taking India's word for it

They've been consistently ranked highest in the world for misinformation and disinformation

Check out these links

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/31605/rank-of-misinformation-disinformation-among-selected-countries/

https://news.umich.edu/india-ranks-as-highest-risk-for-misinformation-u-m-experts-can-comment/

IMEI:
Once again, Indian talking points

You've made several assertions without providing any supporting evidence. Maybe I should take your word for it right?

Henceforth, when you attach screenshots, please provide links to the screenshots for objectivity sake

Should I take Pakistan version of events, that they weren't involved??

There's a topic on FP which shows high ranking official from the Pakistani Government attending a known Lashkar-e-Taiba commander burial.. what does that tell you?? If high ranking Nigerian offical were to be in attendance of slained boko haram commander burial, what does that tell you??

Anyone who follows the insurgency crisis in India and India administered Kashmir knows the role being played by the Pakistani intelligence agency the ISI.. It's something that's well known to all. You may wanna play ignorant to win an argument, but I don't care.

Your whole argument was base on a moderate group the The Resistance Front ( TRF) behind the attacks which later turn out to be falsehoods.
What is your arguments here??

The Indian government maintains that the Lashkar-e-Taiba are behind the attacks, well I guess you know more than the India government, are you telling me the India government would lie, and risk starting a major conflicts with a nuclear armed neighbour Just to portray a Pakistani and Islamic agenda..

So I should take your word and that of the narratives of the Pakistan authorities 🤣😂

Bigsam99:
So because their nationality is Pakistani, they are sponsored by Pakistan? Kashmir is a predominantly Muslim society and it is natural that Kashmiris will prefer Pakistan to India.
However, Kashmiris want to be sovereign.

You have been jumbing from pillar to post, from your original arguments of pining the The Resistance Front ( TRF) to the attacks, to trying to paint a group in africa as a Christain terrorist group to this..

The Lashkar-e-Taiba are a Pakistan based organisation, and they are sponsored by the Pakistan government, do the math.


https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=112412

Try and read and stop jumbing into arguments you know nothing about

Obedience40:
Should I take Pakistan version of events, that they weren't involved??

There's a topic on FP which shows high ranking official from the Pakistani Government attending a known Lashkar-e-Taiba commander burial.. what does that tell you?? If high ranking Nigerian offical were to be in attendance of slained boko haram commander burial, what does that tell you??

Anyone who follows the insurgency crisis in India and India administered Kashmir knows the role being played by the Pakistani intelligence agency the ISI.. It's something that's well known to all. You may wanna play ignorant to win an argument, but I don't care.

Your whole argument was base on a moderate group the The Resistance Front ( TRF) behind the attacks which later turn out to be falsehoods.
What is your arguments here??

The Indian government maintains that the Lashkar-e-Taiba are behind the attacks, well I guess you know more than the India government, are you telling me the India government would lie, and risk starting a major conflicts with a nuclear armed neighbour Just to portray a Pakistani and Islamic agenda..

So I should take your word and that of the narratives of the Pakistan authorities 🤣😂

You're referencing a Botragelad thread as evidence, a notorious anti-islam propagandist

Despite the claim that high ranking Pakistani military officials attended Lashkar-e-taiba burial, in none of the pictures he posted were any of the officials present. Honestly I thought you were smarter than to promote obvious propaganda

I've thrown you a bone, India is the epicenter of disinformation in the entire world. If you want to double down on asserting fallacy, be my guest

IMEI:
You're referencing a Botragelad thread as evidence, a notorious anti-islam propagandist

Despite the claim that high ranking Pakistani military officials attended Lashkar-e-taiba burial, in none of the pictures he posted were any of the officials present. Honestly I thought you were smarter than to promote obvious propaganda

I've thrown you a bone, India is the epicenter of disinformation in the entire world. If you want to double down on asserting fallacy, be my guest

Simple question, So we don't waste time, Is the Pakistani Government sponsoring terrorism in India and Indian administered Kashmir. Yes or No

Obedience40:
Simple question, So we don't waste time, Is the Pakistani Government sponsoring terrorism in India and Indian administered Kashmir. Yes or No

I don't know in general terms, but I do know that in this case, India hasn't presented evidence of such beyond accusations and has refused an independent investigation

If you say they do so, present evidence...ask Gbadebo19, he who asserts must prove

Simple question, don't waste time. Is the Ukrainian government sponsoring terrorism against Russia? Yes or no.

Is the Israeli government sponsoring terrorism against Palestinians?

Has the United States ever funded and supported terrorists?

Obedience40:
Simple question, So we don't waste time, Is the Pakistani Government sponsoring terrorism in India and Indian administered Kashmir. Yes or No

That Botragelad is a propagandist to the core.

IMEI:
You're referencing a Botragelad thread as evidence, a notorious anti-islam propagandist

Despite the claim that high ranking Pakistani military officials attended Lashkar-e-taiba burial, in none of the pictures he posted were any of the officials present. Honestly I thought you were smarter than to promote obvious propaganda

I've thrown you a bone, India is the epicenter of disinformation in the entire world. If you want to double down on asserting fallacy, be my guest

Bigsam99:
That Botragelad is a propagandist to the core.

His topics are always guaranteed frontpage... that's enough proof for me as to who was behind the Nairaland shutdown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX276qs5ZnY?si=Xgf9xLRqtTAvMJMD

How true is this?
Gory sight..

I have no clue what shitshow has been going on in this thread and why. Its perfectly clear that:-
1.) Terrorists targeted non-muslims in the Pahalgam attack. There is no dispute about this, every single eye witness gave the same testimony.
2.) Pakistan has been attacking India through LeT and JeM. TRF is just a mask, not some splinter group, of LeT. All of these are protected, financed and trained by the Pakistan Army and ISI.
3.) Indian Intel intercepts and sources about how Pakistan is involved in the terrorist attack in Pahalgam will be presented by India at the UN.
4.) India had allowed Pakistan to join investigations of many previous terrorist attacks on Indian soil. For example, the Pathankot airbase attack in 2016. Here it is stated on record the details on the official Indian foreign ministry website, the answer to a question asked in the Indian parliament about the same issue. Read: https://www.mea.gov.in/lok-sabha.htm?dtl/26689/QUESTION_NO614_INVESTIGATION_INTO_PATHANKOT_ATTACK

Honestly, at this point, wondering whether Pakistan is the one that carried out any terrorist attack in India is akin to questioning whether the earth is round or flat. Only two types of people engage in this kind of questioning:-
1.) Naive people who have never actually studied the Kashmir terrorism since the 1990s.
2.) Terrorist sympathizers.

If people on this thread that are raising this question belong to category 1, my answer should at least give them pause. But if they're from the category 2, then I don't plan on engaging their drivel. Terrorist sympathizers are evil.

IMEI:
I don't know in general terms, but I do know that in this case, India hasn't presented evidence of such beyond accusations and has refused an independent investigation

If you say they do so, present evidence...ask Gbadebo19, he who asserts must prove

you and your misled cohorts have severally stated here that I am not a lawyer, I didn't graduate, I didn't do nysc, I didn't go to law school. Why are you now drawing me into your irrelevant legal terminologies of he who asserts must prove. So, please carry your infirmities far far away from me. Mtcheeeeww!!!

Gbadebo19:
you and your misled cohorts have severally stated here that I am not a lawyer, I didn't graduate, I didn't do nysc, I didn't go to law school. Why are you now drawing me into your irrelevant legal terminologies of he who asserts must prove. So, please carry your infirmities far far away from me. Mtcheeeeww!!!

road side lawyer,law school dropout all Na the same thing Nah. They're just asking from the knowledge you gained when you were still in law school before you drop out or before you become a roadside lawyer. Anyway till we meet in 2 weeks time

IMEI:
I don't know in general terms, but I do know that in this case, India hasn't presented evidence of such beyond accusations and has refused an independent investigation

If you say they do so, present evidence...ask Gbadebo19, he who asserts must prove

Any one with a iota of knowledge on the issues of terrorism in India and India administered Kashmir, need no further indices on the atrocities of the Pakistan authorities..

obedience4:
Any one with a iota of knowledge on the issues of terrorism in India and India administered Kashmir, need no further indices on the atrocities of the Pakistan authorities..

Pakistan has been accused by virtually all her neighbours of sponsoring terrorism.

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=112412

Watcharena:
road side lawyer,law school dropout all Na the same thing Nah. They're just asking from the knowledge you gained when you were still in law school before you drop out or before you become a roadside lawyer. Anyway till we meet in 2 weeks time

You sound bitter.. no offence

DeathParade:
I have no clue what shitshow has been going on in this thread and why. Its perfectly clear that:-
1.) Terrorists targeted non-muslims in the Pahalgam attack. There is no dispute about this, every single eye witness gave the same testimony.
2.) Pakistan has been attacking India through LeT and JeM. TRF is just a mask, not some splinter group, of LeT. All of these are protected, financed and trained by the Pakistan Army and ISI.
3.) Indian Intel intercepts and sources about how Pakistan is involved in the terrorist attack in Pahalgam will be presented by India at the UN.
4.) India had allowed Pakistan to join investigations of many previous terrorist attacks on Indian soil. For example, the Pathankot airbase attack in 2016. Here it is stated on record the details on the official Indian foreign ministry website, the answer to a question asked in the Indian parliament about the same issue. Read: https://www.mea.gov.in/lok-sabha.htm?dtl/26689/QUESTION_NO614_INVESTIGATION_INTO_PATHANKOT_ATTACK

Honestly, at this point, wondering whether Pakistan is the one that carried out any terrorist attack in India is akin to questioning whether the earth is round or flat. Only two types of people engage in this kind of questioning:-
1.) Naive people who have never actually studied the Kashmir terrorism since the 1990s.
2.) Terrorist sympathizers.

If people on this thread that are raising this question belong to category 1, my answer should at least give them pause. But if they're from the category 2, then I don't plan on engaging their drivel. Terrorist sympathizers are evil.

In this age and time people are still doubting Pakistani supports for terrorism. Pakistan remains the biggest state sponsor of terrorism after the Islamic Republic of Iran..

Leaders and former leaders of Pakistan have openly admitted to sponsoring terrorism..

Donald Trump and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman sign a $142bn (£107bn) defence agreement..

And one dude was telling me Saudi Arabia was moving towards Russia😂😂🤣😂

Obedience40:
You sound bitter.. no offence

Person wey dey craze